Pipes, Board of US Institute of Peace, Favors Concentration Camps

[Tinoire]

Bear in mind as you read this

During August recess 2003, President Bush bypassed the Senate and appointed Pipes,
over the objections of Democrats and others,
to the board of the United States Institute of Peace.
The appointment won't be valid until the next Congress is sworn in, in January 2005. <1> (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/08/20030822-7.html)


Thoughts on the Middle East, History, and Religion

Juan Cole is Professor of History at the University of Michigan

Pipes Favors Concentration Camps
Friday, December 31, 2004

That the Revisionist-Zionist extremist Daniel Pipes has fond visions of rounding up Muslim Americans and putting them in concentration camps isn't a big surprise. That a mainstream American newspaper would publish this David-Dukeian evil is. Of course, this is also a man that President Bush appointed to a temporary vacancy at the United States Institute of Peace, after the Senate understandably balked at a regular appointment for him.

Pipes's little project requires him to attempt to justify the internment of American citizens (of Japanese ancestry) during World War II, a violation on several grounds of the Bill of Rights. I hope Asian-Americans realize that a key wing of the Republican Party, i.e. the Neoconservatives, wishes them ill.

If the American yahoos ever start putting people in concentration camps, I think we may be assured that they won't stop with the Muslims or the Asians, and Mr. Pipes will come to have reason to regret his imprudence and, frankly, his demonic implication.

posted by Juan @ 12/31/2004 06:25:13 AM

((Cole's post reprinted with permission))

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Why the Japanese Internment Still Matters
by Daniel Pipes
New York Sun
December 28, 2004

For years, it has been my position that the threat of radical Islam implies an imperative to focus security measures on Muslims. If searching for rapists, one looks only at the male population. Similarly, if searching for Islamists (adherents of radical Islam), one looks at the Muslim population.

(snip)

Also encouraging, the survey finds the more people follow TV news, the more likely they are to support these common-sense steps. Those who are best informed about current issues, in other words, are also the most sensible about adopting self-evident defensive measures.

That's the good news; the bad news is the near-universal disapproval of this realism. Leftist and Islamist organizations have so successfully intimidated public opinion that polite society shies away from endorsing a focus on Muslims.

(snip)

Fortunately, the intrepid Ms. Malkin, a columnist and specialist on immigration issues, has re-opened the internment file. Her recently published book, bearing the provocative title In Defense of Internment: The Case for Racial Profiling in World War II and the War on Terror (Regnery), starts with the unarguable premise that in time of war, "the survival of the nation comes first." From there, she draws the corollary that "Civil liberties are not sacrosanct."

(snip)

She correctly concludes that, especially in time of war, governments should take into account nationality, ethnicity, and religious affiliation in their homeland security policies and engage in what she calls "threat profiling." These steps may entail bothersome or offensive measures but, she argues, they are preferable to "being incinerated at your office desk by a flaming hijacked plane."


http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2309

You can read more about this gift from the bowels of hell here: http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Daniel_Pipes

Someone here has a thread to the effect that when they start registering Muslims, he/she will register too. We have no choice.



"First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist - so I said nothing.
Then they came for the Social Democrats, but I was not a Social Democrat - so I did nothing.
Then came the trade unionists, but I was not a trade unionist.
And then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew - so I did little.
Then when they came for me, there was no one left who could stand up for me."

- Martin Niemoller, German Protestant Pastor, 1892-1984

[Taxloss]

1. Michelle Malkin defends Japnese internment all the time.

she's so obsessed by it, you get the sense she's building a precedent.

[Tinoire]

7. Building a precedent, a case for whom? For Bush & Pipes- Nazis

Honestly. NEVER would I have imagined 5 years ago that this country would one day build internement camps again. And that a man on the board of the US Institute of PEACE, would be pushing this with the aid of vile swine like Malkin, an propagandist for Fascist Fox network.

We are re-living what the Germans went through and so few are even paying attention. This is the Goebblel's propaganda happening before our eyes yet barely a peep, and when the world sits in judgement on us for these internments (which could be prone to "sudden outbreaks" of an incontrollable infectious diseases), what will we do? Will we say we didn't know? Wringing our hands the entire time?

Her job is to build precedents for what their next steps, to subtly start convincing the American people that this would be "acceptable". How long I wonder until we start hearing whisperings?

[Taxloss]

12. There seems to be a lot of this sort of thing about nowadays.

People testing the waters, seeing what they can get away with. As a Brit, the watershed for me was watching David Frum and Michael Moore go head to head on Question Time USA. Frum kept linking Saddam to 9/11, and MM kept calling it out as a lie, saying "you're talking to Brits! They know their history! They're not buying this!"

Frum didn't seem to understand. He said "This is an American audience!"

MM replied "The audience, yes, but the people watching on TV are British!"

This was a couple of days before the Presidential election. My eyes opened at that point: Frum automatically assumed that Americans would buy anything he said. I realised your media was systematically lying, at worst, or not pursuing the truth, at best. My blood chilled.

Oh, and the world is watching. Don't worry about that part.

[Tinoire]

14. That's such a sad thing to read

and not enough of us accept that about our media. That's a hilarious incident you recounted but owwww, it's so painful.

Thank you for watching and for your support. You have no idea how many e-mails, pms I've received from friends, old-time posters from DU who can't even post anymore not only because they're so depressed about the state of affairs, but because we feel so alone, so helpless in the face of this madness. Even on our side not enough people want to talk about it. Our politicians won't touch these critical issues with a ten foot stake yet expect our respect & our votes.

Hopefully the world, the world powers especially, will do more than watch. Thank you for the reminder that we are not alone.

[Taxloss]

15. I, for one, am focusing like a laser on US domestic politics.

eom

[Tinoire]

18. That bad? I mean that "so obviously" bad

that you, a foreigner, can't even take that time to go sailing or whatever. You have to follow our dirty, rotten US politics because the situation is that worrisome.

Honestly, what do you think about our state of affairs? What's the view from over there?

[Taxloss]

22. I, personally, have never seen UK left-wingers so gloomy

about the US. It was nothing like this under Reagan.

A lot of people take the long view, and point to how long the Tories were in power here. But I feel this is different; the Bush administration seems to have stumbled upon a way to fuse fundamentalist Chistianity, terrorism and bareknuckle capitalism into a terrifying political force. The stifling of dissent is awful to watch.

However, I count myself as an optimist about the near term; I feel the Bush admin will just collapse like Nixon's. What worries me is whether this will be coupled by the collapse of your economy and a global depression. Bush's profligacy is criminal.

But rest assured that I still have a life and plenty of time for my pastimes.

[leanin_green]

26. Speaking of the "Stifling of Dissent"

You have to remember, when Nixon was in power he had a press that wasn't bought and paid for. In fact, many of the neocons that are in power now were just starting out during Nixon's terms. Don't for a minute think that these vindictive asses have forgotten how the press undermined there power grab then. Since that time there has been a concerted and well planned effort to silence the press. Reagan's deregulation policy cleared the way for the hostile takeover gambits that created the new media conglomerates. And if that doesn't work there's always:

http://www.tbrnews.org(hit archives and read the Iron Hand from issue one hundred and six.

Believe me, they will use this to hold onto power.

[Tinoire]

30. Lol, I can't frequent the expat boards anymore!

I noticed that there are two sorts of posters there- the real expats who are, like you say, as gloomy as hell and another camp with addresses all registered in the Langley, VA area.

Things that make you go hmmmmm when your web-master friends share that with you.

I hope your optimism gets justified! Don't get me started on the collapse of our economy and the consequences... I saw that Japan is about to dump all our Treasury Bills and that won't be good at all. And that the rest of the world has steadily been withdrawing their money from our stock markets which is one reason why, imo, Bush is in such a rush to get our social security funds transferred to it.

For the life of me, I can't figure out what we did to deserve living during this time!

I'm glad you have time for your activities, despite our mess :)

Nice chatting with you & oh yeah, keep watching! :hi:

[Solly Mack]

27. I saw that too!

Unreal.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. Pipes is the worst sort of neofascist freak.

He was an occasional talking head on cable news after 9/11, and even then his extremist positions were pretty obvious. Before long I got to wondering why the MSM would give him any credence at all -- if they'd talk to him, why not interview some wack job from the Aryan Nation group or the Grand Dragon of the KKK as well? Pipes is no better than those loons -- he just has a more sophisticated vocabulary and more fashionable suits.

[Tinoire]

19. And Bush's ear. The 1st time I ever heard of Pipes was 3 wks before 9-11

because I'd been following US/Israel/Palestine like a hawk and there were strange stories on the internet about all these Muslims internet sites being shut down, and Muslims being harrassed. I looked into these "Joint Task Forces" that were shutting them down and the sinister duo in charge was Steve Emerson and Daniel Pipes. I've been watching him as time goes by and he's only been moving up the power ladder.

I thought the same things you did when he'd be on TV. Honestly, it was like looking in the face of pure evil. He was CONSTANTLY on FOX as a subject matter expert, peace expert, whatever they needed to portray him as.

MSM, shudder, not even talking about FOX here. That makes it even worse. Straight to Juan Cole's point.

What answer did you come up with for why the MSM would give him any credence at all?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

29. I s'pose it's because the Bush Cartel owns the MSM? Do ya think?

[Indie Media Magazine]

3. Daniel Pipes is a racist....

and a bigot of the worst kind. The problem is with all the rest of the idiots who listen to this blowhard and think the same way he does.

[Tinoire]

5. The Problem is that Pipes is on the board of the US Institute of Peace

and has Bush's ear BIG TIME!

We are turning the corner. If I were a Muslim, I would be packing my bags right now.

[bloom]

28. While at the same time the Muslim

who was supposed to take part in Notre Dame's Institute of Peace (or something similar) was denied a visa. :argh:

[jdots]

4. Can these asswipes just go rationalize sucicide

Further proof to the question " If common sence is common,how come so few people have it ? "

[Tinoire]

23. They certainly rationalize an awful lot of "suicides" already

Gary Webb comes to mind...

[WyLoochka]

6. This would be funny

if it weren't so menacing...

Says Pipes: "Also encouraging, the survey finds the more people follow TV news, the more likely they are to support these common-sense steps. Those who are best informed about current issues, in other words, are also the most sensible about adopting self-evident defensive measures."

He actually tries to get away with saying that "those who watch TV news" are the "best informed about current issues."

Sadly, he will get away with it - damn teevee news watchers won't give it a thought. Just nod their heads in agreement. aaarrrghhh

I agree - if they register Muslims - I'm converting and registering too.

[Tinoire]

8. What is the link to that registration thread? Thanks so much n/t

[WyLoochka]

11. Sorry, Tinoire

didn't register. Just read your clip above and went to the creep's site: http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2309

[Tinoire]

16. Sorry for not being clear, I meant for the GD thread about registering

I meant for the GD thread about registering along with the Muslims when they make them start registering. Someone had something to the effect that "When they start registering the Muslims, I'm registering to". I don't have a star (I know, I know! and will again) and was hoping someone would remember/recognize it.

Thanks

Oh yeah, that creep's site is open to all. He's the creep in charge of www.campuswatch.org where they report all the professors who "aren't teaching a balanced view of the Middle East".

That was one of the Nazi's first steps- rounding up the academicians whose teachings weren't in accordance with the New Reich. In our case, it's the New Republic. Urgh...

What did you think of his site? Board of US Institute of Peace mind you...

[bpilgrim]

9. The Honorable Robert T. Matsui (D-CA-05) would have set him straight

http://www.house.gov/matsui

:argh:

peace

[Tinoire]

17. Yeah but he's dead. Another convenient death.

All these convenient, but perfectly explicable, deaths following these neo-Cons everywhere in their mad dash to the Fourth Reich.

RIP Congressman Matsui.

[jimshoes]

10. Wonder if chimpy

is gonna give this evil fuck a nice black uniform with little lightning bolts on the collar? Much more authoritative when rounding up muslims. Maybe a shiny cap with a skull and bones on it for good measure.

[Tinoire]

21. It would be fitting. Remember that Nazi Ad from Move-On?

the one they had to pull because certain people were so oh offended?

If you or anyone has a link to it, I'd love to watch it again.

[DBoon]

13. Did a rhinoceros just run by?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=93852

On Edit: Ionesco understood the genesis of fascism very well.

[Tinoire]

20. Time to read it. I never read that one.

But I do remember as you mention him, a very fitting quote of his

"Je trouve que le monde entier est absurde..."

Whew. Deep sigh...

[kodi]

24. good idea, we can use them as a cheap labor force like stalin did

:thumbsdown:

[two gun sid]

25. This man is a danger to the human race

Malkins book is one of the most god awful pieces of pseudo-intellectual shit I've ever read. If civil liberties are not sacrosanct neither is her right to publish what I call trash. I would love to discuss their ideas with them over a coffee. I have a few of my own ideas about "self-evident defensive measures".