They're talking about us AGAIN.

[lewiston]

I'm mostly a lurker not a poster, but thought this might be of interest..... your thoughts?

snip- On Democratic Underground, a blog for open discussion and an online gathering place for people who hate the Bush administration, a participant asked, "Since we know that the atmosphere has become contaminated by all the atomic testing, space stuff, electronic stuff, earth pollutants, etc., is it logical to wonder if: Perhaps the 'bones' of our earth where this earthquake spawned have also been affected?" -snip



http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/03/international/worldspecial4/03bloggers.html?oref=login&oref=login&pagewanted=all&position=

[Tace]

1. As Usual, The Nuttiest Posts Get The Most Attention

We're getting attention, though! Cheers

[cruadin]

7. I agree--whenever someone from the MSM wants to...

undermine the blogosphere, they find the kookiest quotes and repeat them as if they were representative.
You have to read nearly to the end of the article for the author to point out that the errors in the original "theory" were wildly inaccurate and corrected by more sober and scientific analysis.

[Clark2008]

10. And they must spend a lot of time here

I was here all week and never saw said "nutty" post. But I did see the right wing posting that God was getting back a Muslims.

If they're here finding this, why aren't they paying attention to the other DU predictions of corporate fascism in the United States. Those signs are pretty clear and you don't need a roll of Reynolds Wrap to read them.

[quaoar]

40. I doubt they were actually here

Some freeper probably emailed them the quote as prima facie evidence of how unbalanced DU is.

We're all consumed with hate, ya know.

[The Magistrate]

46. Actually, Ma'am

That bit stayed in circukation a good while, accumulating about eighty entries. The most successful of these exercises in peddling grotesque delusion, however, was undoubtedly this one:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2891534

"If a man will continue to insist two and two do not make four, I know of nothing in the power of argument that can stop up his mouth."

[rman]

17. ... by non-DU-ers;

I saw that post when it was posted originally, it sank pretty fast.

Yet by certain people it is taken as a typical example for DU posts.

Imagine how easy it is for someone who'd want to, to make us look like fools.

[liberalhistorian]

58. They already do that, by

taking the nutball posts and blowing them out of proportion and then claiming that such posts are representative of ALL of DU, ignoring the 95% of posts that are not nutball. Since most people won't bother to check the site out themselves, that's the impression that they'll then have.

And why don't they ever print anything about the totally hateful, crazy, hate-filled screeds on the wingnut sites like Freak Republic, et al.??????

[leftchick]

2. an excerpt would be great....

since I don't want to register. thanks :)

[Political_Junkie]

5. You don't have to register:

http://www.bugmenot.com/

[Clark2008]

12. Here ya go

On Democratic Underground, a blog for open discussion and an online gathering place for people who hate the Bush administration, a participant asked, "Since we know that the atmosphere has become contaminated by all the atomic testing, space stuff, electronic stuff, earth pollutants, etc., is it logical to wonder if: Perhaps the 'bones' of our earth where this earthquake spawned have also been affected?"

The cause of the earthquake and resulting killer wave, the writer said, could be the war in Iraq. "You know, we've exploded many millions of tons of ordnance upon this poor planet," the writer said. "All that 'shock and awe' stuff we've just dumped onto the Asian part of this earth - could we have fractured something? Perhaps the earth was just reacting to something that man has done to injure it. The earth is organic, you know. It can be hurt."

The ridicule began immediately. Online insults, referred to colloquially as flames, rose high on other sites.

"What would life be without D.U.?" asked an editor at Wizbang, a politically conservative blog (www.wizbangblog.com), using the initials of Democratic Underground.

"Get out the tin foil hats," a contributor to the blog wrote.

[fujiyama]

16. While I won't dispute

that the article is incredibly biased (especially considering they make no mention of hateful screeds on RW sites), they had this as well:

-------------------------------------------------------------------
What was lost in the sniping over the Democratic Underground posting was the fact that the follow-up comments were a sober discussion of what actually causes earthquakes. The first response to the posting asked, "Earthquakes have been happening since the beginning of time ... How would you explain them?"

Further comments explained the movement of tectonic plates and provided links to sites explaining earthquakes and tsunamis from the United States Geological Survey and other authoritative sources.

"Not to make fun, as I'm sure it's not a unique misconception ... but the reality is simple plate tectonics," one participant wrote. "The entire Pacific Ocean is slowly but surely closing in on itself. What happened is that the floor of the Indian Ocean slid over part of the Pacific Ocean, releasing massive tension in the Earth's crust.

"That's it. No mystic injury to the Gaia spirit or anything."

---------------------------------------------------------------------

[Clark2008]

3. Rolling eyes

The SCLM strikes again.

DU gets tin-foil hatted once more. Geesch.

What's this guy's e-mail address? Anyone?

[fujiyama]

4. Interesting

Thanks for the link.

I heard that DU was mentioned in the NYT. I hadn't seen the article.

What's annoying is while they spend much time on a few posts on DU, they pretty much ignored psychotic RW rambling on Yahoo and other message boards regarding the earthquakes being an act of God and how it's so great so many Muslims died.

Of course, I've come to expect no better from the NYT.

[Kindigger]

8. Yes

if they'd popped in elsewhere, they'd find how great it is to have dead Muslims without wasting bullets, as well as cheering the death of Shirley Chisholm.

[teryang]

6. All the news that's print to fit

I think they should republish their report on the Tonkin Gulf Incident.

Who wrote this, Judith Miller? Wasn't she the last person to receive an email from David Kelly before he was murdered?

[slay]

9. Lets examine the New York time shall we:

The New York Times Company publishes The New York Times, the International Herald Tribune, The Boston Globe and 16 other newspapers; owns eight network-affiliated television stations and two New York radio stations; and has more than 40 Web sites including NYTimes.com and Boston.com.
http://www.nytco.com/company-properties.html

Wanna find out what corporate interests own the New York times? Well don't bother looking on their Investors -> F.A.Q. page, cause all you'll find there are links to how to invest, and how well the paper does financially.
http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=nyt&script=1801

A huge part of DU has devoted itself to covering ELECTION FRAUD, yet reaction to "the tsunami" here at DU, of all places, is the news story they decide to cover. In the tradition of such excellent reporting, the point of the article seems to be to make the people here searching for the truth look like wackos.

Tell ya what New York Times, how bout you get your coverage of election fraud up to the level of DU before you start in on us. Jealous of our freedom to speak our minds are ya? Why don't you go do some real reporting and ask Ken Blackwell the list of 36 questions Rep. Conyers asked, yet Blackwell refused to answer. Here's a link to those questions just in case fair elections ever become "in style" or "the current thing" like Scott Peterson.
http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/ohblackwellltr12204.pdf


There is also a thread about this in LBN.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1116859#1117268

[No Mandate Here.]

11. As long as the headline didn't read "DUmmies say US caused..."

I subscibe to the theory that any mention is good, as a fair oercentage of people only remember the headline and that they saw the name somewhere.

Even "bad" news can end up increasing awareness, which is good. Perhaps some will be exposed to the 95% of the dialogue here that isn't "nutty".

Could this be another explanation for the thousands of new DU members since the Fall?

I do have a beef with the explanation of the main ties that bind us is a hatred of *. I only VERY STRONGLY DISLIKE the way he is running this country and its progressive roots into the ground. Didn't anyone tell him that royalty and aristocracy went out of fashion in 1789 in France?

[theorist]

It's just that it's sloppy reporting.

You're right. I'm sure DU got some traffic from it, but there were probably some disappointed NYT readers who came looking for more tin foil hat stuff to laugh over. In the space used to put down this site, they could have done a profile on DU and it's connection with branches of the Kerry campaign, activist groups, etc.

Oh wait! That would take some work. It's much easier to call up a good friend at nonameblog.com, get a quirky quote from him and drop it next to the kooky libs as if said good friend is a "voice of reason". I think it's all just sloppy reporting.

[xchrom]

13. just remember: there's no bad p.r.

all mentions in msm -- or most anywhere simply spreads the name.

[Kahuna]

14. LOL! Anybody got a link with that post. I want to read the "ridicule"..

they refer too. Must have been a doozy.

[izzie]

15. Did we bring up falling off the edge or the world, yet?

Maybe the first question was asked by some one in the Red States. Since some of the churches are taking over the science classes all this stuff my be out of our reach now. You all know if we had plates moving they would go over the edge. I sometimes wonder how we have lasted 10,000 years.

[Ian David]

18. See what a handful of idiots has done???

Some of us tried to warn you:

If you say stupid things, like, "The earthquake and tsunami were caused by oil drilling," THEN WE WILL BE RIDICULED AND OUR SERIOUS IDEAS DISCREDITED!!!

To the handful of cooks who wear the tinfoil hats:



Thanks for nothing.

You have done us a TERRIBLE disservice.


Just because there are REAL conspiracies does NOT mean ALL conspiracies are real.

Please promote your UFO and Tesla Weapon theories elsewhere!

A mind should only be so open that your brains do not fall out.

[fujiyama]

25. I'll agree

that some of theories were ridiculous, but I don't recall anyone stating that it was because of one of those reasons.

And many on the site responded and explained that it was a matter of geophysics and why it's so unlikely (to the point of being impossible) that anything manmade could have caused this.

It's an open forum. People have the right to ask questions, and yes, even questions that seem over the top, idiotic, and ridiculous. Why should we care so much what some idiot at the NYT thinks? Or some ass holes on some RW blog think?

As I stated, this article didn't mention the Yahoo boards or the Phelps ("Thank God the Swedish Fags died").

[DS1]

31. let's see what I can remember off the top of my head

Soviet Tectonic Weapons
U.S. Tectonic weapons that are better than Soviet versions
Soviet tectonic weapons in the hands of Al Qaeda
U.S. sub-surface nuke testing
Russian Oil Interests are behind it
US oil interests are behind it
Satellites equipped with energy weapons triggered the quake

etc, etc

I wish more crackpots would get booted.

[fujiyama]

32. I can add to it

H bomb testing having something to do with it.

Yeah, I'm not disputing that the ideas were wacky...but it's a open forum. People ask silly questions. Others post a response. Most often dismissing the idea or debunking it.

Plus, I'll admit I find those threads somewhat amusing. Unfortunately I do see some willfull ignorance regarding scientific matters among the left as well as the right.

[DS1]

34. I said nuke testing

;-)

[fujiyama]

39. Ah right you are

Haven't got enough sleep.

Fine, how's about THERMO-nuclear testing!

[bpilgrim]

51. yawn...

we got FREE advertising, hello...

i'm celebrating :bounce:

peace

[Ian David]

19. Will the RATIONAL DUers please write to the NYT editors!?

We have to make sure we tell them that there are fringe kooks in EVERY group, both on the left AND on the right.

DU is no different than any other forum.

Please point the NYT to some of the kookier Freeper posts. Ask why they didn't give THOSE posts equal consideration.

[dbt]

20. Let 'em talk. Let 'em point and giggle--as long as they get the URL right.

As recently as 1999, the idea of stealing a presidential election with the open assistance of the Supreme Court would have been "bug-eyed conspiracy theory." Google Tesla earthquake if you suffer from constipation.

:evilgrin:
dbt

[Occulus]

42. That was a fun Google trip

My, but wasn't Tesla the busy little inventor? I never knew about his experiments in resonance. Fascinating.

"He constructed a simple device consisting of a piston suspended in a cylinder, which bypassed the necessity of a camshaft driven by a rotating power source, such as a gasoline or steam engine. In this way, he hoped to overcome loss of power through friction produced by the old system. This small device also enabled Tesla to try out his experiments in resonance. Every substance has a resonant frequency which is demonstrated by the principle of sympathetic vibration&endash;the most obvious example is the wine glass shattered by an opera singer (or a tape recording for you couch potatoes.) If this frequency is matched and amplified, any material may be literally shaken to pieces.

snip

He put his little vibrator in his coat-pocket and went out to hunt a half-erected steel building. Down in the Wall Street district, he found one&endash;ten stories of steel framework without a brick or a stone laid around it. He clamped the vibrator to one of the beams, and fussed with the adjustment until he got it.

Tesla said finally the structure began to creak and weave and the steel-workers came to the ground panic-stricken, believing that there had been an earthquake. Police were called out. Tesla put the vibrator in his pocket and went away. Ten minutes more and he could have laid the building in the street. And, with the same vibrator he could have dropped the Brooklyn Bridge into the East River in less than an hour."

http://www.excludedmiddle.com/earthquake.htm

Shit! Is this vibrator thing a real deal? The principle seems sound, but what about composite materials? If it works, and you built one powerful enough (assuming the plans for it are available), I suppose it could be a problem...

At the end of the article linked to above, there's this interesting notion:

"Tesla's fertile imagination posited a series of oscillators attached to the earth at strategic points that would be used to transmit vibrations to be picked up at any point on the globe and turned back in to usable power. Since no practical application of this idea could be found at the time that would make money for big investors or other philanthropic souls, (one can't effectively meter and charge for power derived in this way) the oscillators fell into disuse."

So, these oscillators work? Hmm.

No, don't look there, look here:

http://www.zephyrtechnology.com/Technology_for_the_New_Age/TESLA_Technology_/body_tesla_technology_.html

Project for building a Tesla oscillator. Imagine.

[BiggJawn]

21. But no mention of Fred Phelps' claim about "2,000 swedish FAGS"?

Didn't Freddie issue a press release claiming that GAWD had struck at those 2,000 swedish tourists (and others) who were in Asia looking for boys to bugger?

I guess not.

No mention of Neil Bush's activities in the region, either....

Oh, yeah, the "Liberal Media"...

[Ian David]

22. Why Smart People Believe Weird Things

If a bunch of suspicious people who distrust the government and mostly support one another tell you that you're being stupid, then it would be a VERY good idea to more critically examine your "facts."

We are your friends. If we tell you you're being a kook, it is out of tough-love. Please try to trust us at least a little.



In addition to "The Demon Haunted World," by Carl Sagan, people should also read "Why People Believe Weird Things: Pseudoscience, Superstition, and Other Confusions of Our Time," by Dr. Michael Shermer (with a foreward by Dr. Stephen J. Gould.).

It includes a chapter called, "Why Smart People Believe Weird Things (Chapter 18, p. 279) only in the 2nd edition published in 2002.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0805070893/ref=sib_rdr_dp/103-3131873-5009409


I should give people the benefit of the doubt. Just because someone believes stupid things does not mean they are stupid. It often just means they are mis-informed.

Please, get informed.

These times are too complex and dangerous to be running around with a brain filled by other people's nonsense.

[BiggJawn]

27. And this was brought on by WHAT?

Was this being directed at me, or are you just hitting a bank shot off my sig line?

[Ian David]

36. Just a bankshot

I wasn't criticising you at all, BiggJawn.

[BiggJawn]

45. I didn't think so...

But thanks for the heads-up on Shermer's book, it sounds like an interesting read.

I seem to recall a ultra-distance bike racer by the name of Mike Shermer...Nawwwww, couldn't be....Could it?
(On Edit: It sure IS the same Mike Shermer!)

And I see it's available over in Undergrad, along with his other books. Guess I know what I'm reading next.

Thanks again!

[Ian David]

47. Mike Shermer relates an interesting tale about his bike riding

In his lectures, he tells a story about how he was dehydrated, half-starved, dying from fatigue, and loaded with "alternative medicine" crap during a long-distance bike race.

He became so disoriented that he had an experince very much like an "alien abduction," except that it turned out to only be his own race support team taking care of him.

If I remember correctly, this is when his skepticism was born. Before that, he used to be a religion / alternative medical junkie.

Here is an excerpt from that story:

The Skeptic Magazine publisher, Shermer, examined a number of aspects
of “fuzzy thinking”, pseudo-science and paranormal beliefs in his
lecture, including his very own personal encounter with alien
abduction!

It happened in August of 1983, where he “lost” 90 minutes
of time, saw bright lights and alien beings emerge from their craft
with stiffly- extended pinkie fingers but otherwise humanoid in
appearance.

They took him into their craft and, the next thing he knew, upon regaining consciousness, was that he was back on the road that he was “abducted” from.

What had actually occurred was that he was 83 hours into a cross-country bicycle race, severely dehydrated, physically exhausted, and had hallucinated that his support team in their vehicle were extraterrestrials.

The extended digits were a confabulation from an old science fiction show that depicted such beings, and the “lost time” was when he fell into a deep sleep for an hour and a half, before going on with the immense bike ride.

He uses this personal example to show that even the director of The Skeptics Society can fall prey to such very real experiences. The question is, he maintained, did this strong belief come from “in here”, pointing to his head, or “out there.”

http://www.freethoughtassociation.com/minutes/2000/Apr11-2000.htm

[nashville_brook]

49. you actually *should* give them the benefit, 'cause

this was debated ad nauseum in LBN.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1116859&mesg_id=1116859&page=

first of all, the poster wasn't making a claim or spreading a rumor. she was musing. it's really sad. apparently she's was a 65-year old woman who was just having a casual convo about "man's impact on the earth." she wasn't out and out claiming nukes case tidal waves.

[bpilgrim]

52. if you want to inform folks here, please provide links. it's not only a DU

custom it helps to pass the word and makes DU the best place to chill on the internets ;->

:hi:

peace

[nine23]

23. While it may have been a lousy choice to open the article with,

at least the author didn't mention Free Republic for "balance" (although I firmly believe everyone living outside of the US should be aware of FR...Very important to expose this segment of the US population to the world, if even for the comedic value. I link friends to it all the time).

The piece moved forward with a mainly positive tone; surprising, considering "blogs" (the point of the article), and the 'net in general, are the biggest threats to the mainstream media since Gutenberg.

[Pirate Smile]

24. Here is a long thread on it from last night

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1116859

[DeepGreen]

26. We are not robots, we are not ignorant, we are not ass holes !

We are a community of over 60K. I see DU
as a mix of emotions, thoughts, releases,
as would be seen in any community, including
a business, newspaper, school, etc..
There are those that post serious, contemplative
articles. Those that talk, and those that don't.
There are humorous, sarcastic, religious, thoughtful,
political, scientific,,, posts.

We are one community with similar political beliefs.
We feel stress, anger, joy, sorrow. We help each
other. We kid each other. We argue. We console.
We ask questions. We explore possibilities. We
unite under common causes. We are tolerant. We
believe in the freedom of every individual no matter
what race, religious beliefs, culture,,.

So, there is a release of stress, a humorous post,
or a flame of disagreement in a serious thread.
I am sure this does not also happen in the Ivory
Halls of the NYT !

Because we are who we are, reporters/writers
can find a treasure of postings to ridicule
and create articles that will be read.
What they aren't seeing or writing about is
the real DU. Maybe they feel that writing about
us and what we truly represent would be harmful
to their job.

[Ian David]

28. My letter to The New York Times

Subject: Straw Men Run Wild in NYT Blog Story

To: [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail]


It is unfair and dishonest of The New York Times to hold out a handful of crackpots as Straw Men to discredit the majority of honest, informed and intelligent individuals that contribute to DemocraticUnderground.com (DU).

Both the liberals and the conservatives-- Democrats and Republicans-- have equal shares of kooks and crackpots. Neither has a monopoly.

You say that other blogs and sources are ridiculing the members of DU that believe some outrageous theories, but you appear to have deliberately omitted the fact that the intelligent majority on DU has been extremely vocal in shouting-down the tinfoil hat crowd ourselves.

There are the people who spend every Sunday being told that the world was created in seven days and that gay marriage will destroy civilization. Yet you do not discredit the entire religious community based on its nuttiest members.

Part of the problem is that the public school system has failed to adequately educate people in science.

Some people just do not understand how tectonic plates work, and the powerful forces required to move them compared to the minuscule energy available to mankind, even with nuclear bombs.

Perhaps worst of all, the media has actively misinformed the populace by feeding us a constant diet of television shows about alien abduction, psychic detectives, and ghost stories, often presented as documentaries. You've got Geraldo Rivera promoting alien nonsense and Larry King fawning over obvious frauds like Sylvia Browne.

Is it any wonder that some people are unable to make educated evaluations about what is plausible and what is unrealistic? If the media wants to criticize people for being misinformed, then you should share the blame of misinforming us.

People will also tend to be more credulous when there are real, unprecedented conspiracies afoot and people have become even more suspicious of a government that we know is lying to us.

--------

Myths Run Wild in Blog Tsunami Debate
By JOHN SCHWARTZ

Published: January 3, 2005

As the horror of the South Asian tsunami spread and people gathered online to
discuss the disaster on sites known as Web logs, or blogs, those of a political
bent naturally turned the discussion to their favorite topics.

To some in the blogosphere, it simply had to be the government's fault.

Advertisement
Free IQ Test

On Democratic Underground, a blog for open discussion and an online gathering
place for people who hate the Bush administration, a participant asked, "Since
we know that the atmosphere has become contaminated by all the atomic testing,
space stuff, electronic stuff, earth pollutants, etc., is it logical to wonder
if: Perhaps the 'bones' of our earth where this earthquake spawned have also
been affected?"

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/03/international/worldspecial4/03bloggers.html?oref=login

[underpants]

29. Excellent

well done

[mattclearing]

30. Any publicity is good publicity.

Maybe we should make the most obnoxious statements possible.

[Ian David]

35. If you're going to make the most obnoxious statements possible...

Then do it on the freeper boards.

They've always spouted off about black helicopters, the Arkancide Bodycount, and United Nations troops hiding in our National Parks.

They've out-kooked the left for YEARS, especially since Ruby Ridge.

on edit:
After all, it was the far right freepers that gave us "The Turner Diaries."

[mattclearing]

37. Yeah, I know, I know.

It wasn't a serious comment. Just like this isn't a serious article.

Any real journalist will tell you that this is poorly written. "For people who hate the Bush Administration?" That's unattributed statement of belief. You don't do that as a journalist.

A journalist is supposed to show that people hate the Bush Administration through quotation and exposition: i.e.:

"Tasteblind, a poster at Democratic Underground said, 'That Bush Administration is a pack of shit-eating criminals, thieves, and lunatics.' Such derision towards the Bush Administration at Democratic Underground is common."

That would be proper. The New York Times is totally amateur hour.

[txaslftist]

33. Looking for whackos to write about NYT?

Why don't they google 'rapture ready'?

Why don't they google 'tsunami is wrath of god'?

Why don't they google 'tsunami end times'?

Because these googles lead to sites that represent the right wing nut perspective on this disaster and expose the gigantic tinfoil umbrellas worn by those who are the natural opponents of those of us on DU.

So much for a liberal bias in the media. The Reichwing media is functioning as a propaganda arm for the RNC.

[murray hill farm]

38. They hate us for our freedoms!

Our freedom to speak up...to debate and examine ideas in an open forum. All such freedoms..all ideas not conforming..have always been the subject of ridicule. Let us celebrate this freedom..and not criticize each other here. We are not here for approval from the media...that is not our purpose. Let us rather, be thankful for the pr that may show the way to others who also wish to speak freely.

[Taxloss]

41. Might it be a good idea to set up "GD: conspiracies and tinfoil"?

Screened by appropriate disclaimers, etc? So they don;t get confused with the serious stuff.

[satori]

43. World renowned scientist-The Earth as a weapon in 21st Century of Wars

Third World Network
The Earth as a weapon in 21st Century of Wars
By Rahab S Hawa

While scientists, governments and concerned groups worry about increased industrial emissions of greenhouse gases and its effects on the planet, the role of the military in climate change has been ignored.

‘When environmental crises occur, it is usually only the civilian economy that is called upon to rectify the balance, while military programmes are rarely taken to task,’ says Dr Rosalie Bertell, renowned scientist and nuclear activist.

At the Peoples’ Health Assembly in December 2000 in Dhaka, Bangladesh, Dr. Bertell revealed to a shocked and incredulous audience that ‘the latest weapons in the arsenal of the US military is Planet Earth itself ... and weather will be one of the worst destructive weapons by the year 2025’.

Dr. Bertell was referring to how engineered earthquakes and tornadoes could wreak havoc on populations and nations.

http://www.twnside.org.sg/title/hawa2.htm

[question everything]

44. And not a word about those blaming the Muslims

on the "disaster" they brought upon themselves?

See replies to this post http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2897199&mesg_id=2897199

[TOhioLiberal]

48. Of all the topics...

they have to use the Tsunami Tin-foil hat thread. I sincerely believe it was a set up. I read that thread, and thought that it was the RW's idea of 'tree-hugging lib' thinking.

[nashville_brook]

50. i thought it was your basic discussion of deep ecology vs. materialism

[leesa]

53. This is GOOD. It means we are getting to them. They, of course, will

print the silliest stuff. Let it slide off your backs. They are ignorant people who only know greed and hate. We are getting to them.

[goforit]

54. This shows that DU is getting under the administrations skin!!!

Whooooooo Hoooooooo!!!!!!!
Yeeeeeee HAaaaawwwwwwwww!!!!!!

[Strelnikov_]

55. The Poster Was Just Expressing A New Age/Earth Religion View

I think the NY Times has too much time on it's hands if they are pursuing stories like this.

Are they going to run articles on every New Age and Native American board that expresses these views?

I really thought that this board was above the kind of race to conformity we are seeing here.

[CreekDog]

56. Some crazy things said on DU...but we never said there were WMD's in Iraq!

So, NY TIMES, put that in your pipe and smoke it!

[BikeWriter]

59. "we never said there were WMD's in Iraq!" Damned right! n/t

[Strelnikov_]

61. No Blood On Our Hands

[paulie5]

57. Excuse me but

What was the question ? We're getting attention (?) They think we're just a meeting place for Bush haters(?) Did I understand the question or statement correctly?

This comes off very much like the German politicians who opposed Hitler in the late 20's and all through the 1930's. They were grouped into an enemies of the state category.

However you look at it, you gotta know things are rotten in somewhere other than Denmark. (where did that saying ever come from?)...

That's OK though. We're too many and we'll defeat them and take back out country.


PA3immon
P5

[Ian David]

60. John Schwartz at The New York Times

I found this link:

Subject: Re: Voter Irregularities Cuyahoga County - Debunking the Washington Post
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:IeH9X5V9jOUJ:dakotatechnics.com/downloads/Voter%2520Irregularities%2520Cuyahoga%2520County%2520-%2520Reply%2520to%2520the%2520New%2520York%2520Times.htm+%22John+Schwartz%22+and+%22New+York+Times%22+and+%22%40nytimes.com%22&hl=en
(FYI, it's worth visiting the page to see the entire email exchange.

From: John Schwartz
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 4:09 PM
To: Mike Lewis
Subject: Re: Voter Irregularities Cuyahoga County - Debunking the Washington Post
Hi, Mike — I understand what you’re saying, but at the same time I’ve spoken with some other experts, including a pretty smart political science professor at Ohio State, who say that the Post interpretation (and one picked up by the original publishers of the Cuyahoga allegations, apparently) is correct. I just don’t think that the evidence to the contrary is compelling.
John
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So, to contact John Schwarts at The New York Times, I would send to BOTH these addresses:
[e-mail]
[e-mail]


Also, Mr. Schwartz seems to spend a great deal of time "debunking" the voter fraud story.

I put "debunking" in quotes because you can only debunk that which is full of bunk. And the voter fraud is NOT bunk. John Schwartz is full of bunk.

http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%22John+Schwartz%22+and+%22New+York+Times%22+and+conspiracy+theory&btnG=Search

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&q=%22John+Schwartz%22+and+%22New+York+Times%22+and+%22voter%22

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&q=%22John+Schwartz%22+and+%22New+York+Times%22+and+%22%40nytimes.com%22

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