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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 05:21 PM
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Allowing Abortion in the cases of rape
I am always perplexed by the anti-abortion people who say they favor an exception to allow an abortion in the case of rape. How would that work? Would the rape have to be reported to the police? What if police never arrested a suspect? What if the person charged was later found not guilty after the abortion was performed? Would some women make up stories about being raped so they could get an abortion? Wouldn't this exception to the rule result in an administrative nightmare?
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m0nkeyneck Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 05:26 PM
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1. if they care so much about the life of...
the fetus why would a fetus resulting from rape be any different? is it less human in their eyes? maybe they need to think this 1 out 1st...
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 05:26 PM
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2. Nothing but a red herring for suckers.
They don't mean a word of it.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 05:26 PM
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3. Expect lots of false police reports and arrests.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 05:27 PM
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4. In other words, women are to be punished for sex they enjoy
but allowed to "commit murder" after a rape?

It's this position that shows how totally inconsistent the antiabortion freaks really are in their sentimentalization and near idolatry of the fetus. It shows that they view enforced pregnancy as a way of punishing a woman for having sex.

Antiabortion laws, even those with loopholes, will kill women. They did before 1974. If stupid people manage to close down safe womens' clinics, they will again.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 05:27 PM
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5. same people who say capital punishment is ok
not logical and certainly not moral
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 05:28 PM
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6. I've had the same questions
Of course women would make up stories. Men would be falsely accused of date rape. If a rape suspect were identified, they would not be found guilty or innocent within the first one or two trimesters.

If I were a man, I would be very concerned about any laws that allow a woman to get an abortion only if she claims she's been raped.
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 05:28 PM
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7. It is strange. God obviously wanted the rape to happen...
If God has allowed everything, bad or good, to happen for a reason, and if he allowed or wanted the woman to be raped and conceive a child, you'd think that the religious people would be against allowing said fetus to be eliminated. Strange.

But if it's aborted, God obviously wanted that to happen as well. Hell if I know! This is why I'm an atheist and pro-choice.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 05:29 PM
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8. Don't expect logic and
fundies to inhabit the same territory.

It's all about guilt, blame and responsibility and stuff...or something.....:eyes:
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MARALE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 05:48 PM
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9. I heard a Repub representative once
Talking about that on Hannity... He said abortion would be considered murder, exceptions being determined to be self defence. So if the life of the fetus would cause you harm, mental or physical, you would have to go to court to prove the harm. So the rape trial would not be bad enough, you would have to go to trial to prove it would cause you irrepairable harm if you have the rapist's baby and leave that decision to the court. He was an idiot and I could not believe he was saying the things he was saying and Hannity was praising it. I can't believe people sometines. Crazy.
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Tony_Illinois Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:02 PM
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10. These little conundrums don't exist for Alan Keyes.
Edited on Wed Jan-05-05 06:02 PM by Tony_Illinois
He would simply force every pregnant woman to have the baby--even if a father rapes and impregnates his teenage daughter. His recent abortion of a Senate campaign here is still being laughed at.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:18 PM
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11. So the real rape victims lose.
Every time a woman is raped (under this new scenario), people will think she is claiming it only so she can get an abortion. Like being raped isn't bad enough, people will be cynical instead of sympathetic. Victims rights will be undone.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:21 PM
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12. Its a tactic
The right works by getting a foot in the door and then using it to leverage more. The rape issue is a deal breaker in many cases. Thus they take it off the block and this allows those iffy about the rape cases to come back on board.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 06:35 AM
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13. kick
:kick:
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Nobody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 07:16 AM
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14. It's really about who decides
Edited on Thu Jan-06-05 07:42 AM by Nobody
If there is an exception for rape, how will the pregnancy be certified as a product of rape? As if the woman doesn't already feel dehumanized after having been raped, now she has to satisfy the most judgemental sanctimonious assholes in society that

YES it was rape!

NO I'm not lying to you!

YES I can prove it!

NO you DON'T have the right to approve decisions I make about my body and my life! And NO WAY IN HELL am I talking to YOU about the worst experience of my life!

Abortion is OK only in certain circumstances places the CHOICE of whether or not to abort in the hands of people who don't care two figs about the woman.

No woman is or should be required to run her most important life choices by someone who is more willing to judge her than understand her.

I said it once and I'll say it again:

We don't lock up all men because one of them raped a woman.

on edit: Corrected a typo
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