Today showed where Bev Harris failed miserably

[jmatthan]

The strategy of Bev Harris failed miserably.

If she had done her job correctly and in co-operation with others, there would have been independent objections on the floor of the House from every state that she supposedly was supposedly auditing.

Bev, however, sought to play her own power politics and has failed all Americans.

It is sad that she did not even get even a passing reference in Congressman John Conyers Jr. report. That really showed her disconnection with the historic events of today.

Bev Harris can wind up Black Box Voting as she has proved that she is incapable!! An ideal example of the Peter Principle.

Will Bev try to jump onto the victory bandwagon engineered by Randi Rhodes, Thom Hartmann, Keith Olberrmann, Mike Malloy, Ray Taliaferro, etc...

However, I have a strange notion that no one will take Bev seriously anymore as she continues her "useless" auditing.

Goodbye Bev, it was nice knowing your work...

Jacob Matthan
Oulu, Finland

[Kelvin Mace]

1. Why Jacob, this is a shift

from your previous position. <s>

I take it the weight of the evidence finally added up?

You are absolutely right. If she had done her job, her evidence would have been cited over and over again. But she never produced.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[jmatthan]

2. My posts were taken off from Bev's Forum for advising her

in her best interests, the day she tried to pull the wool over Randi's eyes.

I posted here about it.

From that date I changed my mind about Bev. She had only her self-interests in mnd.

From that day I have been following what Bev has been up to and it became obvious that having lost all her best staff. She, herself, is quite incompetent to do any of the work herself and the loss of Andy was her doomsday.

She was, therefater, totally clueless in which direction to move.

I did notice, yesterday, from her site that she was trying to jump onto Conyer's bandwagon!!

Jacob Matthan
Oulu, Finland

[Kelvin Mace]

6. She was supposed to have

testified before Peter Deutch (sp?) on Monday. There were multiple postings about it on DU.

Never heard a word about it after that.

Believe it or not, eahc of these epiphanies about Bev saddens me. I really don't enjoy them.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[FloridaPat]

3. Americans themselves failed Americans. Most people don't know or

care. They're the ones bringing this country down. How many others but Bev were actually doing anything? Very few compared to the population. The only way to get things done now is for the people of the US to get in the streets and shut the government down. The government is no longer concerned with the wellfare of the country - 99% of them. They are concerned with helping corporate American and their own pockets. This is the third electon that has been stolen. Where are the Democrats? Where are enough Americans to make the news media take notice? We are doing this to ourselves. This is not Bev's fault.

[jmatthan]

4. Bev's fault is her ego

and the fact that she could not take advice from people who had her best interests in their mind.

Bev believes everyone is out to cheat her of "her hour of fame"!!

I think the 8 million listeners of Air America acted to re-energise the Democrat party, condemn John Kerry and bring a new stars to the forefront Boxer, Obama, Tubbs, Kucinich - to name just a few.

The Democrat base will never be the same againi. See how even Reid had to change his tune. Even Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton were brought to heel.

That is the power of the people.

Bev could have been part of this new revolution - but she lost her chance.

Jacob Matthan
Oulu, Finland

[el_gato]

5. your fault is hero worship

Creating in your mind some idea of how someone should go about working on an issue and then getting mad at them for not living up to your expectations is rather stupid. Everybody has a stake in this and everybody needs to contribute as much as they can. Bev Harris is just another person working on this issue.

[Kelvin Mace]

9. Bev is NOT working on the issue...

She is working on staying in the limelight and keeping the money flowing. I will agree that some people did "worship" her, and some still do. People do need leaders, and Bev looked like a leader for a while. We must not allow her betrayal of the cause to dissuade us. We HAVE made progress.

What struck me listening to the passionate defiance in the House was how many congressmen mentioned voting machines and the need to have a paper trail. What a change from a bit over two years when I started on this issue.

To quote Will Pitt:

"You are watching Senators speaking the words of the activists. You are watching Senators deliver the goods activists delivered to them.

Impressive."

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[Kelvin Mace]

7. How many?

How many others but Bev were actually doing anything?

Quite a few actually, quite a few.

And despite what you may think, today's stand in the congress is the direct result of all those people. We didn't win (and I didn't expect to). But it shows that people are starting to say "Enough!".

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[bpilgrim]

8. pfft... i hear PAPER TRAIL openly discussed on the senate floor these days

:wow: of course it was a collective effort but she certainly help push it forward, and now it has a life of it's own, phew...

i am very grateful for everyones collective efforts, thank you :toast:

peace

[eridani]

10. Now if we could just get them to say paper BALLOT........n/t

[Kelvin Mace]

11. We've got them pretty well trained here

in NC. At least on our committee. Hell, even some of the local press are starting to pick it up.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[joevoter]

13. It is a good start

True... it was driving me nuts to hear "paper trail" from them but
I am so very very glad that they are standing up, listening and learning.

[Sterling]

12. Well I think it is pretty silly to put this on Bev.

I have met her and If you were hoping one little lady could do what Kerry and the DLC refuse to you were delusional.

Sure she fucked up but I can tell you from first hand experience trying to organize a bunch of liberals to do anything is fucking murder.

Even on DU there are some thoughtful considerate people but there are always those assholes who will not help and actively try to fuck with your progress. Bev's mistake is that she let her work degenerate personal mudslinging. Pretty much the same thing this OP is doing.

[Kelvin Mace]

14. You may have met her

but I *worked* with her for a year and a half.

You cannot accomplish ANYTHING if you spend most of your time trying to destroy the reputations of your allies and supports.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[Zomby Woof]

15. a kick from

Someone who had her pegged from Day One.

[JanMichael]

16. Another kick from someone

who had her pegged from month 3.

I'm slow, OK???

Damn, where's my coffee???

[Zomby Woof]

17. You're excused

After all, you had much more ass to kick than I did - that takes time and energy. :hangover: Here ya go!

[OutsourceBush]

18. All you gotta do is look at that crappy web site

I didn't give them a penny. Sorry for those who got screwed. Watch who you give money to next time. There are tons of people out there that want to take your money so you can't use it when you REALLY need it.

[The Zanti Regent]

19. She's just another Nazi Republican mole

Bart Cop was right about Bev from the start.

Bev, my dead son, my only child who now has permanent residence in the VA Cemetery, thanks you for nothing!

[Red State Rebel]

21. Thanks to us she's a Repug Mole with some $$$$$

Never again! Her dishonesty and inability to run a decent organization will, unfortunately, cost other causes as my trust, as well as other DU'ers will not be given so freely in the form of our money.

[IStriker]

20. I have a question...

I never heard of Bev Harris or BBV until I found DU and came here after the election. I was trying to read everything she put on here and the stuff written about her and then she gets tossed from this site. When she appeared on some radio show, her excuse for being unable to answer some question about her work concerning election fraud in FL according to what was posted on here was that she was no computer genius. A little lightbulb came on over my head at that point. Why was anybody paying any attention to this lady and her theory about computer election fraud if she is no computer expert?

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

22. She was a public relations expert

As I see it, her "talent" was promoting things and she made a lot of noise with this issue. These types know how to fool people.

Turns out, she was nothing but a self-promoting, back-stabbing headcase. I kind of had a hint of it in my few exchanges with her, but had no idea the extent until these recent posts.

[IStriker]

23. Maybe she had P.R. expertise, but she used it to fleece people...

There are an awful lot of people on DU that want to believe anybody who can make their wish come true (that Bush did not win the election) and they make perfect "marks" for any "Con" man. I have seen posters warn them that they are being conned and it makes no difference. These are good people being robbed because they cannot accept reality.

[linazelle]

24. How convenient to trash the most visible advocate of voting rights

on a message board that is gaining attention from the RW media daily. If Bev was a right wing operative why would she come to DU and bring things like a paper trail and other computer fraud issues to our attention like Volusia County? Why would she travel across the country before the election to convince election officials not to buy BBV equipment? That doesn't make sense.

Assasinating Bev leaves a gaping hole for BBV issues. She was the one who educated most of us here. She was the one who taught us what's required to verify electronic voting (not a paper trail).

She also told us a long time ago she didn't expect to be able to do much by this past election--there was not enough time or resources.

Bev did not produce what I had hoped or as I'd hoped. But to blame the election verification on her is absolutely stupid. John Conyers did not mention her but did he mention any of the other people who are allegedly doing the same work as Bev? If not, then why not call those people out too? If there are many many more people doing the same work, where are their posts? Where are their findings? What progress have they made compared to Bev? What is their message?

The multiple posts by some who want to eliminate Bev altogether are suspect. It's one thing to express an opinion, it's another to post four or five times (for emphasis I suppose?). It looks like you are trying overly hard to push the issue to me and I find that more suspect than Bev.

[Kelvin Mace]

25. I do not believe Bev

worked for the Right. Bev worked for Bev. She may have started with good intentions, but the limelight and money are powerful drugs.

Gaping whole in BBV issue? No, I think not. Bev Harris is not the alpha and omega of this issue and never was. You are showing great disrespect for the efforts of many activists by saying this.

People want Bev out of the picture not because she is a danger to BBV, but because she is a danger to ANTI-BBV efforts.

If you have questions on this, PM me.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org