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Starpass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 11:26 AM
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I't's a Great Day to be A DEMOCRAT!!!!
Finally a happy day-------need to post this and run 'cause only have like 5 minutes. It started late last night when Bill Schneider (political analyst at CNN) told of their poll that had Bush at 52% and I knew that Zogby then had to BE becoming out with numbers "breaking into the 40's)because CNN was always much higher. Bingo---awoke to the glorious news that you all now know of 45%-------Folks that forty-FIVE not nine...six more points and the WMD (Worthless Misinformed Drunk) in the Oval Office is in the 30's and history!! Now Schneider pointed out some other stats though.

Bush still soared compared to each Dem that they listed against him of our candidates, except one that isn't running---Hilary. Schneider was trying to goad her into a run by saying if a Dem wins then she would be 65 years old by the time she had a shot. However, keep in mind a lot of this is reflective of the fact that 2/3 cannot name a Dem nominee---but they will as these guys start hitting all states and when we have a nominee selected. BUT, Schneider pointed out that they found that Hilary was the one that women overwhelmingly would vote for over Bush. SO...we have to start really appealing to and reaching out to the women. Then he did some California talk.

He said that Arnold is getting bashed (and he was in CA) for not showing up at the debates and being attacked by women protesters and that his popularity is fading. Cruz is getting busted for the Indian giving. AND, that it's starting to look like Davis may pull this thing out. It was in that report that I saw the news of Dean going out there. I'm a Kerry or Clark supporter, but Dean did the right thing and now we need 8 more asses and a few other bigwigs out there to get this stuck in the repukes faces.

This a.m. Terry McAuliff kicked butt on Meet the Press and the whore that blows the way the polls go, Timmy boy, was ugly and nasty to the head of the RNC. I tell you, the repukes, have absolutely nothing to say that doesn't look totally idiotic coming out of their mouths now. Bush is not going to turn the tide tonight because we are still mired down in Iraq, spending a bundle and watching jobs disappear at home. He's crossed the line and now he isn't "da man", he's the national "asshole"....................and I see that "Bush is a miserable failure" is becoming the mantra of the Dems on talk shows - finally we found a slogan as powerful as "it's the economy stupid". (psst did you see the constant clips of Bush staggering down the steps of Air Force One?)---I usually don't get into that kind of stuff, but there was something downright tipsy about him. So, I sense that Happy Days may, indeed, be coming again. Gotta run!! KEEP UP THE FIGHT DEM CANDIDATES, KEEP IT UP!!!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 11:30 AM
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Brucey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 11:35 AM
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2. Good stuff
This is great stuff, but we need to keep the momentum. Shrub tonight will grab more support because a lot of people are sheep and will believe anything they hear... so, we definitely need a hard, tough, quick response. Some bigtime Dems need to hit back hard after his speech. Go Dems!
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Starpass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 11:41 AM
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8. You know what, Brucey--I think it's "way to late" for him
He has crossed a line I've been referring to for weeks here. The people aren't tuning in (in fact a bet a hell of a lot of them are not tuning in) to hear his speech because they are just a bit down and confused and will feel ever so better that the big man talks. They don't look at this lying sack of shit as the big man anymore. Whistle Asses speech still has them in the Iraq mess and he will be asking for a mere 60 billion or so for a year (as they mulitiply a zillion years in there heads); the kids are still dying; he's begging the UN and he's getting the finger because he is still to arrogant to let go of power; and they are scared shitless about their jobs and that everything is falling apart here while all the dough is going over there. The only 'impression' they will get tonight for the handful that watch is "oh, shut the fuck up you ignorant, lying sack of shit". Now, all his flaws take center stage----instead of people being blinded to him. And I saw what I predicted in Timmy Boy today....the media seeing the 45% knows the public doesn't want "nice" pieces about Bush; they want attacks. So as the whores pile on to see who can kill him the most, he will just sink down into the bottom of the ocean.
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Brucey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 11:43 AM
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9. Hoping
Hope you are right... of course, many will see it that way. Maybe the fence sitters won't tune in, or will finally see Shrub in all his bullshit glory. Go Dems!
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teknomanzer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 11:49 AM
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16. Yes...
I hope the sharks are in the water, but this is corporate owned media. Do you think the Corporate Fuedalists think they would now be better served by A Dem?
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 12:04 PM
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21. Key word: corporate owned media.

They are true whores. That means that whatever sells the most papers, or draws the most audience will be what they show.

If they sence blood in the water, bush is shark bait. The media is our own version of 'bread and circuses'.
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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 11:36 AM
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3. There are still many more Dem debates before we GET to campaign
All the Dem candidates are sharp and on message. "Bush is a miserable failure" is what EVERY viewer of the debate walked away with last week. If they keep it up like this, Bush will be kicking and screaming to stay in Crawford the next time he goes there.
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jab105 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 12:04 PM
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20. Dems really have to stick to attacking Bush...
It really works as the overall goal is just that, to get rid of Bush...

Times are a'changing....glad to be here and in some ways a part of it....
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Brucey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 05:09 PM
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28. Totally agree
Dems have to keep the pressure on and don't let the repugs grab media attn with some story that keeps Shrub off the hook.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 11:37 AM
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4. Howard Dean is demonstrating
great leadership as well as incrediable courage. Terry McAuliff was most certainly aggressive with outlining *bush failures and repeatedly, emphasizing the democratics positions.....I'm elated myself.
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poskonig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 11:37 AM
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5. Dean ripped Arnold a new one today
about Arnie thinking workers were a special interest, how much was Lay and Schwarzenegger's tax cut, etc. etc.

Cool stuff!
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 11:38 AM
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6. Yeah it has been a great 24 hours
But * getting tipsy is a little scary. If he's at the bottle again I want the nation's nuclear arsenal put in the hands of someone responsible, like...Howard Dean?
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dofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 11:44 AM
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11. I wouldn't worry very hard about
W getting drunk and setting off nukes. He couldn't just call an aide to give him the "football" or whatever it is that authorizes nuclear war and set things in motion.
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phillybri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 11:39 AM
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7. Awesome post!
:kick:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 11:43 AM
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10. We should be happy that we have 9 candidates speaking out.
At least ONE of them will get some airtime.
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Brucey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 11:46 AM
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12. Right on
We all have our favorites, but we need to fully support whoever finally emerges from the pack (with the possible exception that we'll have to hold our noses and push the lever if it's JL, but that seems EXTREMELY unlikely). Go Dems! Stick together and keep informing those who aren't with us yet.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 11:48 AM
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13. I agree that it's good to have 9 candidates
If they can all stay on Bush and not each other, we will have a much better chance to win than if we had one person who was the definite Democratic candidate.

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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 12:14 PM
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24. Amen...shout that from the rooftops!
I am proud of ALL of our candidates for speaking out.

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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 11:48 AM
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14. You are so right!
It IS a great day to be a Democrat. Just as I was lamenting to myself the other night that no one in my party was sticking up for Davis, and how very sad it was that this his career was being utterly ruined when he really didn't deserve this, my man goes out there and does the courageous and right thing.

The Democrats are starting to get some courage, and perhaps being a bit biased, I believe it has to do with Dean's success in getting tough on Bush by highlighting all of his failed policies and letting us know what he should be doing. Then Gephardt comes out with that excellent line at the debate, 'Bush is a miserable failure', with the others yapping at Bush's heels.

A surprising number of the mainstream media are starting to become disenchanted with Bush, his economy, and his war. Years ago I wouldn't be shocked and delighted at a large paper telling it like it is, but these days, it makes me downright giddy. Kind of sad.

The poll numbers are very encouraging. Are my fellow Americans coming out of their post 9-11 haze? It appears so.

I've seen the pics of Bush after his exit from AF1. He looks soused!

I'm hoping to wake up to many, many more days like today. So many people like myself have become deeply cynical, and are almost afraid to hope for something good out of fear of being severly let down, but lately, I am having a lot more hope for America's future.
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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 11:49 AM
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15. Thanks Starpass; We needed that
Very good post, and it really charged me up.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 11:53 AM
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17. 45%
It amazes me that the number is that high, but I live in a region that despises him.

So Bush goes on the tube tonight. Maybe he won't slouch and drape himself on the podium. He will mouth a speech that was probably put together right after the WH found out how crappy their resident was doing in the polls.

He will hit his main points. The war on terror will be a long one. We must stand firm. The Iraqis are better off now than they were 4 years ago. Tax cuts! Tax cuts! Tax cuts! Blah, blah, blah. I doubt there will be any new material or new policies, except for maybe talking about the new job he created for undersecretary of blue collar jobs. But the reality is no matter how it is spun but the GOP, it ain't going well.

The media whores turned on Clinton because things were going well and it made for interesting theater in an otherwise boring time.
They will turn on Bush because things are not getting better and it's not about news as entertainment anymore. He got a pass because of 9/11 but the time has run out on that one.

I'm waiting for some Repug to jump in an run against him in the primary. Wishful thinking, I know, but it would be so sweet.

MzPip
:dem:
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nannygoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 12:08 PM
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23. Did anybody see the short *interview on CNBC with Ron Insana (sp?)?
Edited on Sun Sep-07-03 12:08 PM by nannygoat
I wasn't paying that close attention but I think * actually said that "we'd won the war on terror". I couldn't believe that "reporter" let him get away with saying that (oh, what am I thinking! all those whore reporters continually let him get away with his misstatements and outright lies.)

Edited to add: The interview with * was on yesterday (9/6) afternoon.
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Brucey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 05:12 PM
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29. And go to his ranch to party with him,
the unethical egoists!
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 11:59 AM
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18. "Bush is a miserable failure" wouldn't stick unless it was true...
The fact that it is true makes it a very powerful message..
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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 12:01 PM
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19. Great post Star...
:kick:
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 12:06 PM
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22. I've been feeling like this since Friday - all the articles
Edited on Sun Sep-07-03 12:08 PM by robbedvoter
on France & Germany laughing at W, the ones on the economy , the "is bush a miserable failure?" debates on C-Span, WNYC and elsewhere, the headlines in Daily news: "BUSHTO CITY: SEE YA LATER" , Iraq and Afghanistan news, Zinni's speech and top it all with Clark on Maher: "Nice uniform. A lot of men and women wore it with honor" The polls came as the cherry on top -I did sense the shift of the momentum.
NYPost, drudge are in full "bush as the underdog" mode.
I am a bit less oprimistic than you on California - based on locals report of the whole unreported strange court orders saga - it smells like Florida. But I hope I am wrong, and I promise a big cheerful plate of crow here if it turns out so.
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Swalker24 Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 12:43 PM
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25. Of course Drudge and the NYPost
are claiming bush is the underdog. When any person does a job as poorly as this moron has managed to do this one he must be considered on the way out. The problem for bushco is their policies only help 1% of the population and he only has about 29% of the population that would vote for him regardless of what he does. The same could be said on the other side as well, which basically leaves 42% of the population as swing voters. This 42% can be fooled into voting against their interests on occassion, but you cannot continue to screw them over in the manner that bushco has and still expect to get over half of their votes. So the reality is bush is the underdog, but he isn't the underdog due to anything other then his own pathetic preformance.
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Brucey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 06:31 PM
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30. Yes,
I Agree!
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 01:09 PM
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26. Thanks, Starpass!
That was a great post, and I'm glad you took the time to remind us all. I've always been glad I'm a Democrat. Whistle Ass started his illegal term with so much going for him...budget surplus, a press who was willing to overlook his many flaws, and even a Democratic party which, unfortunately, didn't raise hell over his selection.

Then the WTC towers were attacked, and the world stood behind him, nobody but us would criticize him, and he could have at least kept the goodwill of other nations.

We are seeing the unraveling of him, and his gang of thugs, and his monumental failures as a president and a decent human being. I'm a lot more optimistic over our chances of having a Dem in the White House next election. Together, we can start undoing the damange the Republicans have done to our country and the world.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 01:28 PM
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27. Excellent post!
Bush is going down, the rethuglians look like fools, and the liberal media is actually reporting!?!

I can't wait to hear about Bush's speech (no way can I stomach it) because I'm sure it's going to smell of lies, mistakes, and failure Bush is so very familiar with.

I do think the large field of Dem nominees, and a super-charged democratic base is sticking it to Bush. His policies may only help 1% of America but that never stops the rethugs from winning elections.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 06:48 PM
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31. Add to all that good news
Powell admitting that the government transported the bin Ladens out of the country on 9-12, I'd say things are going to hell in handcart for poor old W.

Can't wait till people react to that made-for-TV bullshit version of W's reaction to 9-11. I think this glorification of our fearless leader is going to backfire bigtime.
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