I'm Sick of it ALL....it wasn't enough...It just wasn't. I think our Dems

[KoKo]

did the best they could today... I applaud Boxer and Conyers and Tubbs-Jones and all the rest who stood up.

But, after over three years fighting and gettin involved in our Democratic Party in the Grassroots and as Precinct Co-Chair...I know I can't go on.

Kerry left us in the garbage....I spent the day after his e-mail calling Repugs because he asked us to...After doing that I came back on DU and saw "Cam Kerry's "Kiss Off" to us.

It's too much. We were told Kerry/Edwards would "Count EVERY VOTE." But they didn't care to look at Computer Code with Repug Controlled Voting Machines as part of the "Privatization of America's Voting." They are either clueless or they are part and party to some big evil stuff that is beyond our puny power to deal with. :shrug:

In the end...what I was told was Kerry "having a plan" and he would come in and support Ohio and Florida...as part of his "close to the vest ...secret strategy" turned out to be FAKE AND HYPE..

I don't want Kerry's name ever mentioned to me...He sold us out by
using Shrum and various other tired, worn out "inside the Beltway" hacks to run his campaign. He didn't listen to the "Grassroots/Activists" who knew what happened to Gore...he trashed us in the end...leaving us "hanging in the wind" when he conceded. Then he makes weird statements with his brother "Cam" about how he supports
"Faxing/e-mailing/phoning our Senators/Congresspersons and the Repug's Hastert and Frist.

He wasn't there today...and he says it's OVER! Can't do this supporting candidates who give sh**t about me or you and the rest of us..:-(

[DELUSIONAL]

1. I hear ya -- Mike Malloy is ranting the same rant.

[Warpy]

2. Watch the DNC

The DLC is agitating to have the incompetent McAuliffe stay on. If that happens, or if they pick another corporatist, antilabor DLC hack, then I think we can safely write them off.

I mean, why bother? We know they're a little better socially and fiscally, but we also know from their actions that they're just peachy with a bunch of fascists who will fatten their personal bank accounts.

To hell with the lot of them.

In the meantime, the DFA meetings hold the only glimmer of hope out there. Change aint gonna come from the top, folks. It has to come from US.

[KoKo]

10. I'm on the DFA site...there was a "Meet Up" tonight ...I couldn't go...

I'm sick in my heart...I can't deal with it.. I was a Precinct Co-Chair here...I pushed my way into politics because of "Selection 2000" and finding DU when I was so freaked out about Gore/Bush.

I've pushed myself real hard in local politics here. They don't want to hear about vote fraud...with computer code here...Bad stuff went down in NC ...but no one wants to talk about it...I thought I'd find a home in the NC Progressive/Dems..

After today...they all make me sick... I've pushed the voting machine thing here..and been to EVERY PROTEST...Iraq War..(Many Protests)/Cheney
Fund Raiser/Bush Visit to Raleigh/Voting Protests/Sinclair Protests and I've faxed/phoned/e-mailed EVERYTHING....FCC DEREGULATION/ PATRIOT ACT/9/11 INVESTIGATION/Environmental Devastation...whatever...and everything we've suffered through. I've signed/phoned/e-mailed/ converted some freep relatives and all of it...all of it...

I hope others will carry a torch. I'm sick at heart, disillusioned...sad...miserable.. and probably shouldn't post this. I don't want to discourage newbies or those who have a more "untrodden road" than I've walked from FIGHTING THIS TO THE END to WIN...

I sound whiney....but it's just been so hard for so little reward...I'm just really down..

It's just me...venting..but don't see much here to deal with in the Dem Party for me.

[jdj]

13. It's pathetic and scary when people

who have done all the stuff you have
are disgusted like this.

I mean, why isn't the party paying attention to this...

People who are tireless, who are unflappable, who are not scared or intimidated, who never give up

feel like giving up?

Why isn't the party listening to this? Are they stupid? Don't they care?

They are going to wake up one morning and suddenly the people whom they have always been able to rely on are not going to be there.

[progressiveandproud]

14. Good thinking...

...watching the DLC. (By the way, do you know how much Kerry is/has been tied to the DLC? I've been wondering, because any Democrat who's cozy with the DLC... I think that tends to say a lot about them, IMHO.)

I'm also joining my local Democracy For America chapter.

And I might be joining my state chapter of the Verified Voting org. I see the effort to have elections that are more verifiable as a potential weak point of the budding fascists; that is, I believe that verifiable voting, if framed well when presented to average citizens (who are decidedly not versed in this subject), has a chance of succeeding (if only via state ballot initiatives in certain states). I intend to go door-to-door, protest in my state capitol, organize petitions, anything. Do you think this is merely polyanna hope?

Jonathan

[KoKo]

18. I don't want to discourage anyone from fighting...but find NEW WAYS....

don't get stuck in that DNC/DLC...."WE HAVE A PLAN" psychology thingy that we got suckered into.

Go with all of it NEW...PROGRESSIVE/ACTIVIST! Run when anyone asks you to "stay the course," "believe that Dems have a Strategy" or any other crap that you hear.

Support groups who join for workers rights...even if you are "white collar/independent or whatever you do.... Form Guilds if you don't like Unions...

There's much we can do.... BUT I WON'T DO IT WITH THE DEM PARTY...There's so much that needs to be done and it can be UPBEAT without the DNC/DLC baggage which has lost us elections and our Democracy and doesn't give s**t about us unless we mob them with fax/phone/e-mails when they beg us to.

Find your own voice..and groups and you can do it...A NEW WAY! That's where the energy will be.

I will have to get away...and regroup and think. But, I'm not a 20/30 Something...It's up to all of you...and you can do it...

[Not_Giving_Up]

3. Look at the positive side of this.

Our voices were heard. We made a difference. Election reform will happen for real now. The little guy at his kitchen table now realizes that if he hops online and contacts his representatives, he will be heard. We are standing up for our right to vote, and for our vote to count. Send every member of the House and Senate who stood up for DEMOCRACY today an e-mail to let them know that the people are with them. To anyone who didn't stand up, send an e-mail letting them know how that made you feel as an American. Hang in there, the fight is just beginning!

[Terror Sell]

12. Wow, I wish I had your faith and enthusiasm... But I don't

Grass roots only works if we're all playing by the same rules. We're not. They assassinated the system because they couldn't control it. We've crossed the Rubicon, and I don't think there's any way back.

[progressiveandproud]

15. Sadly...

...I wonder if you're correct.

Anyway, if the least I can do is obstruct the fascists, then I've accomplished something.

[Not_Giving_Up]

20. This is not over

I realize that some people are just burned out. They've put countless hours and dollars into getting to today, and they expected more than they got. Rest up, revive yourselves, and get ready for the next round. Please do not give up on changing the system.

[jdj]

4. he's definitely whistling his own tune.

Today is the first time I have ever considered becoming a third party voter.

It seems to be safe to do this now, as it is confirmed that dems will now lose every single time as they are not willing to take on vote fraud.

I know this may sound mundane to some, but for me to be saying this, well, I'm just not that kind of girl. Until now.

Now I think, the best thing may be to have a third party, focused on civl rights and civil liberties (which includes the right to clean and unspoiled natural resources by which I mean air and water) and do our best individually to engineer the split of the republican party as well.

The two party system may very well be dead in this country. I feel demoralized by this. I stuck by Gore in 2000 despite living in Asheville NC which is a stronghold for the Green party, talk about some Green peer pressure. Now I feel Kerry...I don't know if I should say this or not...but I feel Kerry practically raped his supporters psychologically. Took all our time and money and stress (from being ostracized and baited by conservative family and friends) and when it got sticky, said "fuck y'all, I ain't endangerin' my political career for you all, so long suckers!"

I am not the kind of person that says stuff like this. But to me, at this moment, the party looks like a brick wall.

[progressiveandproud]

19. Wow

Your words almost completely speak for me.

Green peer pressure in 2000.... check.

feeling like Kerry has violated my trust.... check.

being ostracized and baited by conservative family and friends.... major check!

I am not the kind of person that says stuff like this.... check!!!!

Dammit, I hope you don't mind me quoting you here:

"It seems to be safe to do this now, as it is confirmed that dems will now lose every single time as they are not willing to take on vote fraud."

YESSSSSSSSS!!!!! Sorry, I just had to repeat those words, because they basically are my new criterion for judging Democratic officials and candidates. If there is one Democratic congressperson who is against Rep. Rush Holt's bill on verifiable voting... I swear, they must be masochistic at heart, that or simply out for their own skins ("hey, the voting system as is got me elected, so I'm sticking with what works! and why stick my neck out! altruism's overrated.")

Sorry for the rant. Essentially, I wanted to say that I liked your post. ;)

[bobweaver]

5. Bottom line: Democratic Party is a status quo party, and deeply entrenched

in the power/money/influence structure of Washington. They're just the flip side of the Republican party, really. They are never going to offer any real change or hope, because they are too tied to the system. Only by renouncing corporate donations can they ever become a force for change in Washington.

[wtmusic]

6. I'm going back to Dean and I don't care if he yells n/t

[jdj]

7. LOL

at least he WILL yell.

In fact, this should be a litmus test for candidate from now on...no primal scream, no nomination.

[shraby]

8. Kerry and the Glibs still have a suit

in the U.S. District Court in Ohio that has to be resolved. I don't think he's through counting votes.

[Redleg]

9. Good for you.

EOM

[pauliedangerously]

11. They aren't clueless...

They all know what's going on...just like everyone in the White House knew that there was an imminent attack back in the Summer of '01. These people all play dumb because it's believable to all of the DUMMIES out there.

It's time for a new party, but I don't think that will really make a difference either; there are too many people who don't care enough to pursue the facts; they're satisfied with the placating MSM, content with being "sheep," and completely lacking the backbone to stand up and say "BULLSHIT!!!"

And since I'm on a roll here, let me just tell you now that I think it's absolutely hilarious how these anti-Darwin fundamentalists all fall in step behind these socially Darwinistic policies of the Bush administration. The sad thing is, rich doesn't equate with fit.

Don't anyone get me wrong here, I respect peoples' beliefs, but it makes me shudder every time I hear a politician invoking God in public. Jesus said in Matthew, and I'm paraphrasing here, to beware of the hypocrites who pray out loud in the synagogues...BECAUSE THEY JUST WANT TO BE HEARD BY OTHER PEOPLE!!

George Bush doesn't believe in God, Billy Graham doean't believe in God, Pat Robertson doesn't believe in God, Rick Santorum doesn't believe in God. They all claim to be Christian, but it's a LIE. They're all disciples of Leo Strauss...Google him. They may carry a Holy Bible in public, but the Bible they study behind closed doors is "The 48 Laws of Power" by Robert Greene. Check it out.

That's my rant for tonight. I'm PISSED.

[DELUSIONAL]

16. "The 48 Laws of Power" -- interesting

I'm googling now. Thanks -- it is best to know the enemy.


LAW 7) Get others to do the work for you, but always take the credit! (p56-61)

LAW 15) Crush your enemy totally! (p107-114)

LAW 21) Play a sucker to catch a sucker --- seem dumber than your mark (p156-162)

LAW 27) Play on people's need to believe to create a cultlike following (p215-226)



http://home.earthlink.net/~denmartin/flp.html

[pauliedangerously]

24. Is that the ultimate book of cynicism or WHAT?

I bought it a few years ago out of curiosity, and I have to rank it next to "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand in the hilarious column. You know, I read Rand's book almost twenty years ago and I thought she was a cheap imitation of Kurt Vonnegut...I THOUGHT IT WAS A SATIRE. I was telling my Mother about this "funny book" I was reading when she broke the news to me. I just about died of apoplexy.

BTW...my favorite "Law of Power" is number 45, "Preach the need for change, but never reform too much at once." I'm sure GWB's is number 46, "Never appear too perfect." I wonder how much time he spent in front of a mirror practicing that swallow/rapid blinking thing he does all the time.

Don't bullshit the bullshit artist!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DELUSIONAL]

27. #46 and #21 seem to go together -- bush seems dumber than he is

Or as some say he is an Idiot Savant when it comes to politics.

What I know is that under RayGun and bush the father -- science suffered -- the International exchange of ideas was nearly muzzled. And one of the guys bushie just appointed to high Gov. position -- Admiral Lyman (sp questionable) was in charge of keeping science "secrets" under his control

I had a Canadian friend who was studying animal behavior -- primitive animals -- in Hawaii. When she returned to the States she was asked the purpose of her trip and she said -- Scientific research (she is a PhD Biologists) she was pulled out of the line and grilled -- they were ready to confiscate her notes and video, and I believe they even had to call "someone" to make sure that her scientific research could leave the US and go to Canada. This was during pappy bush's reign.

bush's "marks" are the really dumb people and let's face it -- a whole lot of people in the US are below average (judged by the bell curve) If bush can pander to the dumb ones and make them feel smarter than the Prez of the US -- they'll vote for him. Then Rove only needs to pad the vote to make it look like their guy won -- and one of the dipshit Republicans was bragging about the huge vote Der wonder-kid bushie got. WE know that the vote was hacked and the Kerry voters were suppressed etc etc etc -- but the Corporate media doesn't report what is happening behind the curtain.

[KoKo]

17. Agree...there's no God in these folks....they belive in the Almighty $$$$$

###'s in their pockets. I don't have any more time for them.. They use
Religion to promote their EVIL. And it's "sick" that some people believe them to be "relgious" in believing in a "higher power" than what the Corporatists and Lobbyists for the Corporatists stuff in their pockets.

Sorry...sound very cynical, here. I probably shouldn't have posted at all...I just am so ...well down. I don't want to discourage others, though...it's just that since Nixon...many of us have tried....and to see it all come to this...it's just too hard to go on.

Passing the torch..

[pauliedangerously]

21. Hey, you hang in there Koko!!!

Just remember that we're all living in an instant in the grand scheme of things. The world probably will not change a whole lot in our lifetimes, but everything is cyclical, and things do change over time. I read a great book last month called "Guns, Germs, and Steel," written by Jared Diamond. I had never heard of him, but discovered the book while perusing the science section at Borders.

It's an easy read, it won a Pulitzer, and it's FASCINATING. Why don't you take a break from politics and read this interesting look at human history and the development of civilization (if you haven't already). I have taken a few steps back from trying to save the world and I've been focusing on understanding the reality that I live in; this book filled in a lot of gaps for me and I HIGHLY recommend it.

My view is that things just aren't bad enough to catalyze real change, and until they get really bad, things won't really change. I'm still an idealist, and I've gone through a lot of periods of depression, but the planet spins on. People will live on. Make yourself happy again, and let others worry about themselves for awhile.

Take care!!

[KoKo]

26. Thanks for that book tip... It's hard to realize you can't change the

world no matter how hard one tries. Sounds like an interesting read...I'll check it out... Thanks!

[Pachamama]

22. I feel the same way....

01/06/05-The Day the Democratic Party & Democracy Died in America

Someday, when my two young children are old enough to understand, I'll tell them that January 6th, 2005 was the day the Democratic Party and Democracy died in America.

I will teach them about a great American patriot named Barbara Boxer and her Brave Stand with the Black Congressional Caucus to take a stand. I'll explain to them that it was the failure of the Democrats to stand united and support the US Constitution and the rights of voters by either not showing to vote or to vote against the measure to reject the Ohio Electoral Vote is why their Mom & Dad switched from the Democratic Party to the Green Party and never gave a penny again to the DNC. I will tell them I continued to support the 33 Brave Democrats in the House and the one brave Senator that voted in favor to reject an unclean election and support instead the rights of the voters and the US Constitution.

Today is a day of shame and in my opinion, the death of democracy in America....all we will see moving forward is the "one party system" controlled by a party that is not the "GOP" of my parents and grandparents and that every single thing this country has stood for, from civil rights, civil liberties, rights of privacy, and all the hard fought rights and societal protections of its citizens from education, minimum wage, environmental protections and social security will be eliminated or so dismantled that they will hardly matter.

Then, when I show my children the pictures of John Kerry, holding the pictures of them when he and I talked about this election being about "our children's future" and the pictures of me with my children in several swing states campaigning for Kerry, and of the night before the election in Cleveland where I was within 15 feet from the stage and heard him saying that he was "fighting for us" and then I will tell them about how on January 6th, 2005, Kerry did not show up to speak or vote or fight for those voter rights and after their Mommy had worked hard at raising over $30,000.00 for the "GELAC" Fund that was supposed to pay for challenges and investigations into voter fraud and legal challenges, and how instead, Kerry "conceded" in less then 24 hours of the polls closing and that all votes were not counted and that for two months, he basically did....NEXT TO NOTHING....

Then I will point to a picture of my 4 year old in the arms of Howard Dean, and tell her about her comment that she said to me "I thought he was going to be President, Mommy?"

He should have been dear, he should have been....

:cry:

[BikeWriter]

23. You and I are going to have to get tough or bend over...

...and I am not bending over!

[earth mom]

25. I feel the same way

You're not alone. I'm feeling so many emotions-anger, despair, anxiety, worry and fear. I'm disillusioned and angry at Kerry and also with the senators that didn't vote yes today. I feel like I've been played and manipulated for months and months and months and I'm beyond angry about it.

I know I need to step back from this, because it's all giving me such a sick uneasy feeling inside. I want to escape in the worst way...and have been looking at property in other countries on the net, though don't know if its possible right now because of hubbies job, etc. Damn!

I do believe that everything happens for a reason...yet this time around, knowing that does not give me much comfort.