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n2mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 12:42 AM
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How many of you believe
the Democrats today when they said shrub won the election? Just look at them speaking and listen to them speaking I don't think they believe what they are saying. They are speaking with fork tongue. They are not being honest and they are afraid.

Just look at the pukes, they are as smug as can be. Is it just me? I am tired but something is not quite right.
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yinkaafrica Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 12:45 AM
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1. OK. Why did every Democrat not back Boxer?
What could be more important than our right to vote, which
I think we have lost. Don't call me naive, just explain it to me.
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 12:48 AM
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5. I can no longer try to explain...
but there was supposedly a post that she asked them not to sign...this could be disinformation, and if it is I'm sorry.

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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 12:46 AM
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2. If I ever see hayward or Nay again...it'll be to freaking soon.
Edited on Fri Jan-07-05 12:46 AM by Goldeneye
I maintain the dems who spoke, did well. Go Kucinich!
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 12:47 AM
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3. No, it certainly isn't.
Personally, I think they're all rich enough to be pleased as punch with another Bush theft since their taxes will continue to go down and their portfolios will continue to be fattened.

To hell with the lot of them. Public servants, my flabby pasty ass.
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 12:50 AM
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6. somehow I doubt they had their tax rebates in mind.
I think they care about the things they vote on...if they didn't they would just be republicans...because being a rep. is a hell of a lot easier and if you do a really good job as a republican scamster, you are guaranteed reelection by rigged machines.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 12:47 AM
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4. I saw the GOP
Edited on Fri Jan-07-05 12:48 AM by Erika
as saying "We won't let honest elections occur, so just stuff it".

There will be a backlash because they had a chance to review elections for honesty and accuracy, and they gave the finger instead.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 01:09 AM
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7. Voter fraud in the sum of 100,000 votes has yet to be proven BUT...
It has also yet to be disproven. Had I been a senator I would have voted PRESENT because there is no proof one way or another.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 01:32 AM
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8. Not PROOF! PROBABLE CAUSE!
Let's just stop investigating cause of death, why don't we. I mean, get over it, move on, nothing an investigator can do will change the result. Just being dead doesn't mean that anyone was murdered, you nutty conspiracy theorist.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 04:58 PM
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10. Not saying that we shouldn't take a look at what happened in Ohio
But voting Yea on rejecting the electoral votes means that we automatically assume them as illegitimate without proof.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 02:27 AM
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11. No, it means that there is probable cause--
If a dead body turns up in your back yard, that fact by itself is no proof whatsoever that foul play was involved. Does this mean that no investigation should take place? That you should just get over it and move on, because it is obviously impossible to bring the dead person back to life? If the score is 100-75 with 2 minutes left in the fourth quarter, does that mean that the referees are entitled to stop calling fouls on the grounds that the outcome is pretty well determined? I am certainly glad that Senator Boxer and 32 Congresspeople thought otherwise about our possibly compromised election, and value the integrity of our voting system enough to call fouls when they see them.

From the Partridge essay--

"Wait 'till next time!," say the leaders of the Democratic Party. "We'll try a different approach, we will sharpen and focus our message." "The 2004 election is over, we lost, now let's move on!" To skeptics such as myself, such talk is profoundly disheartening. For missing from all this is serious consideration that the problem was not the message or the candidate's poor performance – that in fact, the intended votes in this election were sufficient to put John Kerry in the Oval Office, and perhaps even to allow the Democrats to regain control of the Senate.

The Democrats too readily forget that 2004 was "next time." Why believe that 2006 and 2008 will be different? If in fact GOP control of the mechanisms of the election allowed them to steal this election, they will do so next time, and the time after that. Issues, messages, tactics, attractive candidates will all be unavailing. Republican control of all branches of the government and of the media will be permanent, and independent of the consent of the governed.

Perhaps this election was scrupulously honest. Perhaps George Bush in fact received 59 million authentic votes, and 51% of the popular vote. But dare we accept this on faith, without reflection, without careful examination of the abundant evidence to the contrary? If the election was fair, then no harm will result from a scrupulous assessment of the contrary evidence. The facts will compel that the assessment will come up short. But can we afford the luxury of blind acceptance of the "official" tally? Must we ignore the accumulating evidence of foul play? I submit that we must not. The fate of our democracy is at stake.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 01:52 AM
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9. As you said, something is not right...
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