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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 12:08 PM
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The Dennis Kucinich you may not know
I would guess most voters, dependent as they are on a less than adequate national media for information, don't know much about Dennis Kucinich. What they do know about him no doubt suggests Don Quixote probably had a better chance of knocking down a windmill than he has of winning the Presidency. It's not all that surprising that even some progressives may have succumbed to their inner Tim Russert or Candy Crowley to decide someone with his progressive views can't be elected in the oppressive darkness of the nightmare world gleefully ruled over by George W Bush. Still, I can't help but believe that if voters knew more about Kucinich, who he is, where he came from, what he wants for his country, they might be willing to reconsider.

By any measure, his life is inspirational. I linked to an article below that describes the hardships he faced as a child, including serious poverty which led to his family having to live, at times, in a car. And as if that wasn't enough for one family to bear, he and his siblings had to live in an orphanage for five months due to his mother's illness. Also discussed is his rise and fall as Cleveland's mayor and his amazing political comeback (there's another link to an article giving a good summary of the controversy surrounding this time of his life). Once you learn how hard he fought to escape the circumstances into which he was born without ever forgetting where he came from and those who didn't escape, once you learn how he remained true to himself even in the face of devastating adversity, you might begin to view him in a different light.

You might even expect to find he was one of those elected representatives willing to stand up, regardless of the cost, against the Patriot Act and the Act authorizing the disastrous War on Iraq--and you would be right. He not only voiced opposition to these blows against freedom, he not only voted against them, he not only took a public position at severe odds with the majority of voters, he did every single thing he possibly could to stop these measures from passing. He fought and he fought and he's still fighting.

During the last debate, though I thought he performed well, he came off as very serious, sometimes angry. Not exactly the choice demeanor in today's happy talk entertainment world. Still, I'd ask you to think twice before judging him too harshly. Given his genuine concern about the terrible poverty of so many, both here and across the globe, given his concern about our obscene health care system where profit is funneled to the usual suspects while those in need suffer, given his concern about the grotesque exploitation of the many so the few can luxuriate in a coccoon of indefensible comfort, given his concern about our insane destruction of the environment, he has a lot to be angry about. So do we.

But there's more to Kucinich than anger, though he doesn't always let it show. He has an excellent sense of humor. Here he is discussing his childhood:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/News/Nation/DB88CD9E7D0290E586256D920032A060?OpenDocument&Headline=Kucinich%2Bthe%2Bstreet%2Bfighter%2Bjabs%2Bfrom%2Bleft%2Bin%2Buphill%2Bfight

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His life story is about beating the odds, he says. He became a successful politician after a hand-to-mouth childhood in which his family was forced at times to sleep in cars.

"But they were American-made cars," he joked last week in front of a labor union audience.

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Before deciding to not vote for Kucinich, it's worth remembering progressives have not had a successful national candidate in years. The Sixties were a long time ago and I would bet there are any number of people out there who can't seriously imagine a better world is possible if only enough people would be willing to join together to put their hands to the task. Without hope, with idealism considered nothing more than a heartbreaking form of delusion, they're quickly lost to the seductive enticements of the corporate web of ignorance where in a world of 24 hour news and analysis our ideas aren't even put up for consideration. It's nonstop tax cuts, it's nonstop defense budget increases, it's nonstop terror alerts, it's nonstop everything but what we have to do to bring needed change to this increasingly worst of all possible worlds.

A successful Kucinich candidacy could do an awful lot to turn hope and idealism into fuel to set the progressive movement on fire. Sure, the national media would be quick to express the alarm of their corporate owners and would work overtime to trot out a chorus of well paid pundits to convince us that by daring to oppose entrenched power, we risked losing everything. Who would expect anything different? Entrenched power as repugnant as that which exists today can continue to survive only by convincing us to become complicit in our own enslavement.

But we don't have to fall for that old, old lie. We can write our own Emancipation Proclamation if only we have the courage to pick up the pen. We can, no matter how much we're told we can't, change the world. There are men and women and children dying right now for lack of medical care, for lack of food, for lack of our simply caring enough to do something about their suffering. If all Kucinich does is wake us up to the fact we're stronger than we've ever imagined, remind us impossible dreams have been achieved over and over again throughout history, make us believe once more the fight for a better world is always worth the risks and the discomfort and, dare I say it, the disapproval of Tim Russert and Candy Crowley, he'll have achieved something of incalculable worth.

So maybe rather than throwing in the towel early, rather than compromising before the battle has even begun, progressives should continue to fight for the one candidate willing to fight for them. If Kucinich eventually loses, there will still be plenty of time to unite behind the Democratic nominee in the general election. The Bush Administration has to go and you know Kucinich will be there working day and night for Howard Dean or John Kerry or whoever wins the nomination to make sure this time the votes are counted and the will of the people rules. And if Kucinich wins, well, I know some windmills that are going to be feeling extremely insecure.

http://www.dmregister.com/news/stories/c4788998/22187297.html

Kucinich's hard childhood a 'gift' yielding strength, compassion

Cleveland, Ohio - Dennis Kucinich's unsinkable optimism stems from a poor and chaotic childhood in which he lived in 21 places, including the back seats of cars, and spent a holiday season in an orphanage.

"That childhood actually prepared me for just about anything," said Kucinich, 56, an Ohio congressman who is one of nine Democratic presidential candidates. "It was a gift that remains as a great source of strength today, and a gift of compassion for understanding the kind of stuff that people can go through."

Kucinich is hailed by supporters as a fighter for the little guy and champion of grass-roots politics, even as critics point to his weak fund-raising and poll showings, and say he should step out of the race.

"For him to understand where the rest of us have been, are now and could be - that gives him such an insight that the George Bushes of the world could never understand," said Janice Lascko, a military veteran and single mother of three who works at the American Legion in Cleveland.

The eldest of seven children in a family of Croatian-Irish heritage, Kucinich remembers the difficulty his parents had finding a place to live. His father was a truck driver and his mother a homemaker. They never owned a house and were considered to have too many children for most apartments, so the family was sometimes evicted.

When Dennis Kucinich was in the sixth grade, caring for the children got to be too much for his mother, and she fell sick. Kucinich and his siblings were sent to a Catholic orphanage called Parmadale that Thanksgiving Day, and they spent the next five months there.

"It was a time when no one else would take us in," said Kucinich's brother, Gary, who manages a car dealership in Cleveland. "I remember that being a sad time because we were separated from both of our parents and were in very unfamiliar surroundings."

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For those interested, here's a link to the Cleveland Magazine article discussing Kucinich's tenure as mayor:

http://www.clevelandmagazine.com/editorial/thismonth_features.asp?docid=363

Dennis Kucinich: The Story
from Cleveland Magazine, May 1996

It's Opening Day, 1978.

Swarms of Clevelanders descend upon Municipal Stadium, leaving their posh offices and suburban homes with hope in their hearts. It's a new beginning, they think - the suits, the steelworkers, the bubble-blowing kids - as they anticipate the sound that to them is like no other: the crack of a baseball smacking a bat.

Below them, Mayor Dennis Kucinich waits outside the Indians dugout, his famous mop of hair lilting with the wind. His chest is tight on this 43-degree day - not only with anxiety, but within the protective vise of a bulletproof vest he strapped around his body only hours ago. He's had countless death threats. And he's prepared. All he wants now is to throw out that pitch.

"When they called my name, I got a standing boo from about 75,000 people," he recalls.

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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 12:10 PM
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1. Karma thank you
Edited on Sun Sep-07-03 12:12 PM by JohnKleeb
His story is a great one and his views well are great and inspriational. Also I had no idea he was in an orphenage. Its such a great story. For every 1 young George W Bush there are many young Dennis Kucinich's. He got to where he got by hard work.
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 12:15 PM
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4. Cheers and more cheers for DK! I'm on the KucinichTsunami2win!
I think there are more voting for him than will admit...but they are silent! :hi:

Thanks for this! I had read it before and it is an awesome story AGAINST ALL ODDS...which is what we are facing in the USA and around the world today.
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ScotTissue Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:46 AM
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56. I think that's the Dennis we DO know
Mop of hair?

Standing boo from 75,000 people?

Yeah, that's Dennis.

I'm sorry, as ever, to point out that this guy is Category B: the also-rans.
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Astarho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 12:11 PM
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2. Great post
thanks for the info.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 12:12 PM
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3. Thanks for all the links.
I have so much respect for this man. I will save them for later reading.
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Bushknew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 12:19 PM
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5. Dennis is the only candidate I have complete faith and trust in
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wheresthemind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 12:22 PM
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6. phew, I thought this was going to be a flame thread...
but what I great post!


I've met this man 4 times and each time he impresses me more and more.
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catpower2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 12:25 PM
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7. Hey, you missed a link...
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wheresthemind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 12:31 PM
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8. its alright...
Edited on Sun Sep-07-03 12:33 PM by wheresthemind
If thats you litmus test then so be it, but stop coming into our threads with the sole purpose of bashing our candidate.

Would you rather Dennis had continued voting Anti-Choice cat? Because thats what it sounds like.

I'm just glad Dennis had the guts to take two years off abortion related legislation and to say he was wrong. It could have been worse, most politicians flip-flop in a day or two, Dennis evolved over 2 years.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 12:52 PM
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12. Here's Kucinich's response
http://www.kucinich.us/issues/issue_rightsreproductive.htm

I support Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to choose, and will select Supreme Court justices who affirm this Constitutional right.

I’ve had a journey on this issue that a year ago, before I became a candidate for President, caused me to break from a voting record that had not been pro-choice. After hearing from many women in my own life, and from women and men in my community and across the country, I began a more intensive dialogue on the issue. A lot of women opened their hearts to me. That dialogue led me to wholeheartedly support a woman’s right to choose.

I have come to believe that it’s not simply about the right to choose, but about a woman’s role in society as being free and having agency and having the ability to make her own decisions. That a woman can’t be free unless she has this right.

The decision to terminate a pregnancy is one of the most serious decisions a woman might make. It is deeply personal. In our society, all women and all men have a right to make difficult moral decisions and make personal choices. But women will not be equal to men if this constitutionally protected right is denied.

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veganwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 01:10 PM
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15. dont try..
Edited on Sun Sep-07-03 01:19 PM by veganwitch
its a sisyphean pursuit. catpower sticks her fingers in her ears and screams "lalalallalala."

edit: cause i cant spell.

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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 01:53 PM
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23. Nice Ad Hominem
I guess it's easier to be insulting than come up with yet another way to justify this extremely expedient flip-flop, erm, "evolution" - yeah, that's the ticket!
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 01:58 PM
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26. Thanks for being insulting yourself
So, does that mean that all politicians do politically expedient things, or are you a one-issue voter and can't brote Dennis' "flip-flop"??
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 01:59 PM
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27. he didnt flip flop in a day you know
BTW I realize this issue is important to you but I find it extremely unfair to use as a litmus test. Look its not like he was like a house republican and voting against helping these kids once they were born, or supporting the death penalty, or supporting the current war. He didnt change in a day, and btw I hate to spin but Clinton and Gore were originally anti choice.
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veganwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 02:26 PM
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30. i prefer..
not to waste my time trying to explain things to people who wont listen or consider my, or anyone elses, opinion.

which, i suppose, is ironic as i am responding to you post.

funny thing though, i didnt see any further responses from catpower, proof that she is not interested in a conversation and simply wants to take this thread the direction it is already going with this side conversation.
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Throckmorton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 04:06 PM
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49. Franklin's Quote on Changing Past Positions
"I confess, that there are several parts of this Constitution which I do not at present approve, but I am not sure I shall never approve them: For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged by better information, or fuller consideration, to change opinions even on important subjects, which I once thought right, but found to be otherwise. It is therefore that the older I grow, the more apt I am to doubt my own judgment, and to pay more respect to the judgement of others."


Benjamin Franklin
Constitutional Convention, Monday, September 17, 1787.

I think it applies to Dennis Kucinich.

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Jack_Sparrow Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 09:22 PM
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54. thanks!
A Franklin quote is always apt. :-)
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Astarho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 01:06 PM
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14. Still got nothing better to do?
nt
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 02:18 PM
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28. Can I ask you a question?
You, of course, have every right to your opinion and I am not flaming you back but I wonder this. We all complain about Bush* not listening. We protested, we called, wrote mail and got called a focus group. No matter what the world says he will not change because he believes in what he is doing for whatever rotten reason he has. DK has listened and reflected and changed his opinion. I have a hard time holding his past beliefs against him when he has come to his current beliefs knowing that it is best for the country. Just wondering.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 06:56 PM
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38. Deleted message
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 06:59 PM
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39. Thanks
I forget that sometimes we don't want to learn or reconsider, too bad.
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diamondsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 07:42 PM
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40. Hi, CC.
Just a point of note, most of us don't post these rebuttals for what I like to call the "one-hit wonders" or "hit-n-runs", we post them for anyone who might still be influenced by the tired "flip-flop" nonsense.

There was no flip-flop. There was a "present" vote, after which there was a 6 month time-frame when Kucinich was able to consider the impact of voting to criminalize abortion before he was asked to vote again. At the end of that 6 month break from abortion legislation, Kucinich cast a PC vote.

I'm a little disturbed to see a few contentions about a "2 year break from voting on abortion" because I've not been able to find any evidence of any such thing in the voting records. Makes little difference to me because I think 6 months and numerous female influences on his thinking are plenty enough to alter his perspective, particularly as the father of an 18yr old college student himself. I am disturbed by false or erroneous information being sent around just to make him look better. Truth comes out eventually and such things will only hurt him then.
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 08:53 AM
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47. "2 year break"
I think that's probably a slightly muddled interpretation of the 2 year interval between his last anti-choice vote as recorded by Planned Parenthood and his recent pro-Choice vote.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 07:45 PM
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41. thanks
You're right about this.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 05:17 PM
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32. Here's Kucinich discussing the issue in an interview on NPR 6/28/03
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=33&ItemID=3837

<edit>

EDWARDS: Until recently, you opposed abortion. Why the change of heart?

Rep. KUCINICH: Well, actually the evolution that I've had on the
issue of abortion has come about as a result of a number of factors.
One has been the fact that over the last few years there's been a
move in the Congress to try to criminalize abortion. I don't believe
in criminalization. I think abortion should be made less necessary
and you do that through birth control and sex education. But when
this Congress makes a move towards criminalization, what it's really
saying is that a woman doesn't equality in the society and I support
a woman's right to choose. I think that it is fundamental in a
democracy that a woman have equality and any effort to try to
criminalize abortion would strike at the heart of that equality. So I
support Roe v. Wade... Was I always there? No. But with the help of
women in my life and women who I've had the opportunity to talk to
over the years, I've seen how this really has become such a divisive
and destructive issue and I think that we can work to achieve a
society which supports a woman's right to choose and we can do that
within the context of working to make abortions less necessary. We
also have to, through sex education and birth control..., to try to
create a culture which is life-affirming through prenatal care and
postnatal care and child care and a living wage, universal health
care and all these things which can help life unfold to the fullest.
But I think that we are at a moment where there is a serious effort
afoot to wipe out Roe v. Wade and I'm not going to be any part of
that. I support a woman's right to choose.

EDWARDS: This is curious, though... you've been around a while. Did
you have some sort of epiphany or did you decide to run for president?

Rep. KUCINICH: Well, actually long before I became a candidate for
president... this was an issue that I had been thinking about in the
last Congress. I was the only member of Congress who cast a 'present'
vote on an issue that dealt with late-term abortions when the
Congress came back after a Supreme Court decision that said that a
bill that the Nebraska legislature had passed, which is similar to a
bill that Congress had passed, was unconstitutional because it didn't
provide for a woman's health and didn't really describe the
procedure. When I saw Congress over the Supreme Court's
constitutional issues that had been raised nevertheless pass the same
bill, when that moment came, I thought this really isn't about a
concern for life that's being expressed here. What I saw it as was a
concern about crass politics. I am concerned about life and I think
that we need to do everything we can to make abortions less
necessary. But we have to remember in this constitutionally based
government we have that the right of equality is also at stake here
for women and women will never truly be equal unless they can be free
to make their own choices. And so I would say that my evolution on
this issue has come about as a result of being in the House, looking
at the way these votes have developed, looking at the politics of it
and not wanting to play politics with this because this is the kind
of deeply personal issue that affects so many lives. At the same time
the underlying question is what can we do to minimize the number of
abortions. The way to do it, I think, and what I've always supported
is to make sure that sex education and birth control can make
abortions less necessary. And for myself, I could not have got to the
position I'm at without the help of a lot of women who have appealed
to me and said, 'Look, there are so many issues that are at stake
here, would you please look at them.' I've kept an open mind and
finally arrived at a place as a member of Congress before I became a
presidential candidate where I was able to say what I think what's
best for the country is to try to take a position where you work to
try to make abortions less necessary but do it within a
constitutional framework. And that's where I am and as president, I
think, because of my experience with this issue, I'll be in a
position to heal this nation, where I can take the nation away from
the bitterness and the divisiveness which has occurred over the issue
of abortion and understanding the concerns of people on both sides
but being very firmly supportive of the constitutional rights which
women have, not only under Roe v. Wade, but of an inherent
constitutional right a woman has to equality.

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Seneca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 04:55 PM
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51. outdated
Do they have anything more...current?

I am guessing no.
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 12:34 PM
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9. Wow
I have to admit that I don't know much about him. That all is certainly inspirational. I hate to say this though but I don't think that he is electable. I don't think that an America that elected Bush four years ago is ready for someone like Kunich. We need a candidate who can play the game in order to become president. That involves winning over the media and business at least somewhat. That involves getting support from a lot of other politicians and other leaders. Kunich is the type that they first discredit and kill if he discrediting does not work. I wish that it weren't so but we really need to get rid of Bush first for things to change.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 12:39 PM
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10. err Bush wasnt elected
its Kucinich dont worry about it
old DK couldnt spell it at one time
and I for one couldnt.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 05:34 PM
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33. Bush has gotten rid of himself.
All we need is electoral integrity.

As John pointed out, we are not an America that elected George Bush in 2000. We elected Al Gore.

Frankly, any of the candidates are electable against Bush. Take heart, we're going to get rid of him! Then, when he's gone, we want to move America forward and put the 4 years of his administration farbehind us. Dennis has the vision to do so.

We must be the change we wish to see in the world. If Dennis is that change, that's where we need to put our vote. If we do, we'll win.



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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 06:47 PM
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37. Yes it may had been close but we did elect Al
and I have no regrets about doing so in my school mock election. Dennis Kucinich has said we need not to be afraid, I think he is right on, the message that this adminstration gives to us and to the world is one of fear. Bush also has 41% say they for sure wont reelect him. The fact that he does so well in a not so liberal district is impressive. He wins big without compromise. Also this election year is a crossroads in time, the president in 2005 will be able to pick many to the supreme court. If we dont have liberal judges on there the most conservative court ever in modern times will be there. I have many reasons to support this man who wants us not to be afraid and see the human side of war, and have the America we once cherished.
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roughsatori Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 12:40 PM
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11. Thank you for the post and kick NT
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buddhamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 01:01 PM
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13. thank you!
excellent thread.

this is going into my bookmarks.

DK!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 01:18 PM
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16. My aunt cared for Dennis and his siblings at Parmadale.
She was one of the head nuns there.

We used to go over and play with the kids all the time.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 01:29 PM
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18. so you met young Dennis Kucinich?
Thats neat if you did and all. BTW I just found about the orphenage today thats real sad but I am proud he remembers these roots and he fights for people like that.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 01:39 PM
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19. Parmadale was a great place for kids back then.
All the Catholic parishes contributed to its upkeep. That type of community work was typical for the Catholics at the time. True liberal values.

My older brothers played with him. I was a younger girl and they kinda kept us away from the older boys.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 01:43 PM
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20. oh
Thats really cool. You know I come from a Slavic and Irish Catholic family like Dennis too right? One of the reasons I admire and support him is because he knows what its like. He was atheletic Ive read about him that he actually was a third string quarterback at age 9 and was a baseball catcher you know in that respect he reminds me of my uncle Tom, short guy but very athletic. He was diagonsed with a heart condition as a senior and thats probably why he wasnt in the military Ive read he was disappointed. Thank you so much for that tale and thank you everyone else. I am glad its not only us Kucinichizens who are inspired by this man and by his life.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 01:28 PM
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17. This is a beautiful, inspirational story.
Thank you.
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ElkHunter Donating Member (300 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 01:48 PM
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21. I love Dennis Kucinich...
...and of all the Democratic candidates his political views most reflect my own. Perhaps it's that "inner Tim Russert" thing you mention in your post that holds me back, but I do not think that Kucinich has a chance in the world of getting the nomination letting alone winning a presidential race against Bush. But I hope that his run for the White House will cause Kucinich's star to rise within the ranks of the Democratic party. It is good, solid progressives like Dennis that we need in our ranks to combat the likes of the DLC.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 01:50 PM
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22. win or lose the primary elk we will be proud
If his star continues to rise I will be happy.
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 06:41 PM
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36. explain this then
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diamondsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 07:45 PM
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42. BLEARGH! I really hate opening that page!
Not because of the poll, but because a certain pResident's mug is the first picture to appear on it!*shivers and shudders*:puke:
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MaryBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 01:53 PM
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24. Thank you.
Dennis represents me better than any candidate, and I have been wrestling with a tendency to support Dean as electable, in spite of this. You have helped me weigh in more on the side of Kucinich as the Dem nominee.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 01:57 PM
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25. glad to hear it
Real person to thank is Karma though not me.
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MaryBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 02:26 PM
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29. I'm glad you're glad.
My thank you was to original poster, I think.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 02:33 PM
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31. yeah i am happy for you
because you are lucky to be in such a great camp.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 08:03 AM
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45. Thank you, GrandmaBear. Funny you should say that.
I was going through a similar struggle earlier this month. It was only after reading the posts of Kucinich supporters here at DU that I decided I had to support him.

If he can produce a strong enough showing in Iowa and/or New Hampshire to break through media filters and get his views more widely known, who knows what might happen? Given he was right on the war and the Patriot Act, given he's right on health care, trade, and the need to withdraw US troops from Iraq, I think his potential pool of support may be greater than most of us even dare to hope.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 08:35 AM
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46. Out here in CA
we are working and fundraising to raise money to send back to Iowa and New Hampshire for that very reason. We want him on the ballot when our primary happens here on the west coast! Good returns in the early primaries will also help bring the fence sitters over.

You are right about the issues. Our challenge is to get the word out there. Once people know about him, he'll have plenty of support!
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 01:41 PM
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48. Karma and Grandma bear
Glad to have helped you make a decision. BTW I forgot when I declared myself for him but he is great. BTW he introduced an universal pre K-12 bill today. Gotta love it :) and I need to be tell why he isnt the best, please I am a proud Kucinichizen. Isnt he something else.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 09:09 PM
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52. Your posts and those of Tinoire, diamondsoul et al definitely made
a difference. Many thanks. You guys have done an extremely impressive job of spreading the word.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 09:20 PM
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53. I love your post!
Wanted to tell you so Sunday but I had to run off and table for Kucinich! It was my, our, pleasure to spread the word and thank you for coming on board and helping us!

I think you'll be thrilled to know that when I tabled for him at a huge Peace festival Saturday and then elsewhere on Sunday, the response was HUGE. People are LOVING him. We've even converted a few disillusioned Republicans who are very concerned for the future of their children.

Thank you so much Karmadillo! I know we WILL make a difference!

Peace
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:41 AM
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55. Thanks, Tinoire. Glad to hear things went so well Sunday.
Although the national media focuses pretty much exclusively on Dean as the antiwar candidate, I wonder if those in Iowa and New Hampshire, forced, whether they like it or not, to focus on the issues and all the candidates, will look to Kucinich as the better antidote to the Bush disaster.
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diamondsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 04:41 PM
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50. I'm so glad you posted this. I was thinking about this
"electability" thing yet again this afternoon.

I keep wondering where that concept comes from, and the only thing I can come up with is past politics. I mean we're so used to this "go for the swing-voters/centrists" strategy that we seem to not be able to let go of it. And then there's that apparent sense of isolation everyone is going through. Well considering the condition of the country and the world right now that's no surprise but, PEOPLE, we are NOT ALONE!

It's almost as if some people, who really feel Kucinich represents them best, firmly believe they are alone in that, or at least so insignificant in numbers that we don't matter. I've had people get upset with me for saying it, but to me it's giving up without even putting up a fight.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 05:54 PM
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34. Go Dennis Go
Thanks for the links.

He's the closest thing to an FDR Democrat I've seen in thirty years.
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AnAmerican Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 05:56 PM
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35. Excellent post, thanks for taking the time to bring this out.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 08:06 PM
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43. Thanks Karmadillo-there is always something more to learn...
Dennis certainly had a challenging childhood and life...made him the truly compassionateman he is.

He "gets" what its like to struggle financially...not too many other candidates have a clue...maybe once but they've forgotten...Dennis remembers...and cares!!

Peace
DR
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Coffee Coyote Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 08:15 PM
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44. hi Mom!
BBQ chicken tonight!!! :P :hi: :loveya:
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