I wonder how much the WH is paying the atheist to go around

[Robbien]

sueing on religious issues. Nice diversionary tactic. Lets talk about religious oppression instead of torture, or voter fraud or freedom of the press, or calling the cops because the American people are being robbed.

[Inland]

1. The WH paid off the mayor of SF to hold gay marriage, too.

I know it didn't, but in my mind it too was a secondary issue.

[BlueEyedSon]

2. If you're talking about Michael Newdow, I think he is on his own

and he is correct. Get the "god" word out of the pledge (it was recently added during the red scare anyway) and keep compulsory religion out of public schools.

[Robbien]

6. Sure, lets let them disband Social Security, sell off all public assets

to global corporatists, shut down public schools, and have all media report to and get paid by the government.

The priority is we have to work 24/7 on getting that word out of a pledge said in public schools. Never mind there will no longer be public schools. We just have to get that word out. Focus on the getting the word out, forget the public schools are going under with Leave No Child Behind.

Just get that word out of the pledge. That is all that matters.

[BlueEyedSon]

8. It matters to him, so?

[Robbien]

9. It was believed that Williams also believed in No Child Left Behind

and that it mattered to him.

We see how much it mattered to him. $240,000 dollars of our money's worth.

Wonder when we will find out how much this pledge matters to the atheist.

[Nadienne]

3. About a year ago,

a senior center in my area stopped allowing the senior citizens there to say a prayer before meals. The news coverage paid no attention to why this change was made, or who made the change. The news coverage only showed angry seniors grumbling about atheists...

With coverage like that, who needs an atheist going around sueing religious organizations?

[Been Fishing]

24. I have seen happy solution to this problem.

The aged couple were served their meal. Before they ate, and without a word, they reached across the table and clasped each other's hands. They then bowed their heads and were silent for a moment. They each uttered a single "Amen" at the end of their individual prayer. (They didn't finish together, but within moments of each other.)

No one else was offended, and no one complained.

[politicaholic]

4. please add a reference point to your post. n/t

[Robbien]

7. What reference do you mean?

I clearly said I wonder.

Do I believe this is a diversionary tactic. Yes.

If that guy is not getting paid, then BushCo owes him a very big one.

[AlCzervik]

5. Michael Newdow lives in my town

he's the real deal, not bought and paid for like Williams and the others.

[Behind the Aegis]

10. Victim mentality

I agree with what he is doing. We shouldn't allow ourselves to not do something because we are afraid the Right will distort it. Chances, they will distort anything we do. We also do not have the media on our side. Perhaps, it would be better to reclaim the media, as opposed to telling citizens what is a worth cause and what is not.

[Robbien]

13. Victim mentality, bah.

BushCo paid Williams. Why is it not possible he is also paying the atheist? It is awfully convenient the atheist is sueing to stop prayers at the Bush coronation. Now all the news attention is on the prayer and not the bad polls or the objection to the vote, or anything else.

[Behind the Aegis]

16. Oh no...I think you misunderstood me

I wasn't saying YOU had a "victim mentality!" I was suggesting the Right-wing does (have a victim's mentality), which is why news like this gets played up, instead of brushed over as non-news. I apologize for the confusion. After I posted, I reread my post and thought it might be confusing. Again, I apologize to you, as I was not implying you had the problem!

:toast:

[shrike]

11. If he's not, he should be

No disrespect to DU's atheists, but this guy is giving the Right a ready-made issue.

[KG]

12. hear! hear! the right thing should only be done when it's convenient!

:eyes:

[pop goes the weasel]

14. "the atheist"?

You make it sound like there is only one atheist in the nation.

I don't understand you. Who else are you willing to sell out in order to win a few crumbs? And a few crumbs is all you will get. Remember that the same people who think that it is appropriate to have a public vow that identifies those who think differently are the same people who think that thinking differently is Un-American and that it is appropriate to torture anyone who they believe to be a threat to America.

You don't protect freedom by selling it out. Many religious people are also supporters of Newdow's position.

(edited because my fingers don't want to spell. bad fingers.)

[Robbien]

17. I believe you are changing the subject

You are trying to make religion the issue of this thread. The question put forth was about the WH paying people to promote and protect his administration and is this just another WH paid diversion.

Too many events are happening right now which put the WH in a bad light. The media needed a diversionary subject. A standard divisive issue conveniently arrives on the scene. What is being suggested is was this a coicidence or WH paid diversionary tactic.

[pop goes the weasel]

18. It's a complete coincidence

On any given day, there a dozens of things going on that put this administration in a bad light. If everyone who is pursuing something you don't consider important was to take a breather for the rest of the Bush years, the media would still not pay attention to Bush crimes. There will always be a Laci Peterson case to run with. Or do you think that the jury was paid off to come out with its verdict when it did? And what of those South Asians? Think maybe they got paid off to host that tsunami?

This is a religious matter, a matter of the rights of minorities in our republic, a matter of the separation of church and state. The only reason that you think it is nothing but a diversion is that you have no respect for Newdow's objective or beliefs.

[Bluebear]

21. I owe you a beer.

Or an iced tea. Great post.

[pop goes the weasel]

30. Make it a Shiner Bock

:beer:

[Robbien]

22. Again you are trying to divert the issue by accusations

of a disrespect you claim I have.

That is why this issue is a great diversionary topic and it is so "lucky" that the WH has such a good (paid/unpaid) issue champion as this atheist.

[Bluebear]

23. What is with the "this atheist" business? n/t

[Robbien]

25. It is what the guy bills himself as.

That is the guy's claim to fame as he goes around sueing high profile cases. Headlines scream "the atheist" does this or that.


Do you have a problem with his use of the term?

[Bluebear]

27. You say "headlines scream" the atheist

I haven't heard him say, Hi I'm the atheist.

I have no problems, you seem to want to really stress the nomenclature for some reason.

[Robbien]

28. Not stress, just

that is what I see in all the headlines, so the name stuck

today I see

Pledge atheist' sues to block Bush prayer
Atheist files suit to thwart inauguration prayer
Atheist sues to prevent prayer at Bush inauguration
Atheist sues over Presidential prayer
Atheist renews assault on Pledge
Atheist Dad Renews Pledge Fight
Atheist sues again over pledge words 'under God' - this time with ...

What can I tell you, all the repetition seared the title "the atheist" in my brain.

[Wonk]

15. Now that's an interesting conspiracy theory. I think you're wrong though.

:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

19. Is the price of tinfoil going up?

You must've got your cheap.

[genieroze]

20. Not exactly tinfoil but did you know the price of steel has skyrocketed?

I had my breaks done and what should have been a 230.00 job cost me 500.00. (my breaks, rotors, calipers, and hoses were shot} I asked my mechanic who actually has a waiting list, what gives? He said the price of steel therefor the parts have more than doubled in the past year. I did call a parts store after and even the cheapest parts were very expensive at 200.00. My mechanic only uses dealer parts.

[orpupilofnature57]

26. KKKarl rover all over!!!!!!

[noamnety]

29. the problem isn't his suit

In a normal world, he would have his lawsuit and it would be buried on page 3.

In our brave new world, the media reports this as headline news, and the challenge to the election is buried on page 3, if reported at all.

If the goal is to distract from the real issues, they don't need him. If they get bored, they can always run back to Amber, and ask her in her own words did she feel horribly betrayed when she found out her boyfriend was married and possibly a murderer? And she can reply yes, yes, it was horrible. *cue tears*

Don't blame him for the problems with our media.