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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 04:33 PM
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Hmmmm...we've seen this before
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Streetdoc270 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 04:40 PM
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1. details please....
for those of us who hate registrations to read a story
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 04:42 PM
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2. Use Bug Me Not to avoid registration. (Link corrected.)
Edited on Sat Jan-08-05 04:45 PM by NYC
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 04:44 PM
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3. Excerpt from article and link to DU thread:
Warning From a Student of Democracy's Collapse
By CHRIS HEDGES

Published: January 6, 2005

Correction Appended

PRINCETON, N.J.

FRITZ STERN, a refugee from Hitler's Germany and a leading scholar of European history, startled several of his listeners when he warned in a speech about the danger posed in this country by the rise of the Christian right. In his address in November, just after he received a prize presented by the German foreign minister, he told his audience that Hitler saw himself as "the instrument of providence" and fused his "racial dogma with a Germanic Christianity."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1132270
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 04:50 PM
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4. Shout if from the rooftops:
"The comparison between the propagandistic manipulation and uses of Christianity, then and now, is hidden in plain sight. No one will talk about it. No one wants to look at it." -John R. MacArthur quoted in the article.
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 04:59 PM
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5. sorry I forgot NYTimes
you have to register

don't ya hate that, and it's gettin worse all the time

But nytimes is worth the regis and you only do it once

:shrug:
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 05:01 PM
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6. An excerpt for those not registered
Warning From a Student of Democracy's Collapse
By CHRIS HEDGES

Published: January 6, 2005

Laura Pedrick for The New York Times
Fritz Stern, a refugee from Hitler's Germany and a leading scholar of European history, startled several of his listeners when he warned in a speech about the danger posed in this country by the rise of the Christian right.

Public Lives: Warning From a Student of Democracy's Collapse
Go to Complete List

Correction Appended

PRINCETON, N.J.

FRITZ STERN, a refugee from Hitler's Germany and a leading scholar of European history, startled several of his listeners when he warned in a speech about the danger posed in this country by the rise of the Christian right. In his address in November, just after he received a prize presented by the German foreign minister, he told his audience that Hitler saw himself as "the instrument of providence" and fused his "racial dogma with a Germanic Christianity."

"Some people recognized the moral perils of mixing religion and politics," he said of prewar Germany, "but many more were seduced by it. It was the pseudo-religious transfiguration of politics that largely ensured his success, notably in Protestant areas."

Dr. Stern's speech, given during a ceremony at which he got the prize from the Leo Baeck Institute, a center focused on German Jewish history, was certainly provocative. The fascism of Nazi Germany belongs to a world so horrendous it often seems to defy the possibility of repetition or analogy. But Dr. Stern, 78, the author of books like "The Politics of Cultural Despair: A Study in the Rise of the Germanic Ideology" and university professor emeritus at Columbia University, has devoted a lifetime to analyzing how the Nazi barbarity became possible. He stops short of calling the Christian right fascist but his decision to draw parallels, especially in the uses of propaganda, was controversial.

"When I saw the speech my eyes lit up," said John R. MacArthur, whose book "Second Front" examines wartime propaganda. "The comparison between the propagandistic manipulation and uses of Christianity, then and now, is hidden in plain sight. No one will talk about it. No one wants to look at it." Dr. Stern was a schoolboy in 1933 when Hitler was appointed the German chancellor. He ran home from school that January afternoon clutching a special edition of the newspaper to deliver to his father, a prominent physician.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 05:14 PM
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7. This article is all over the place...
and I've gotten it on listserves.

Chris Hedges wqas on Nightline a week or so ago, and he is amazing.

A war correspondent with a Doctor of Divinity, and he knows very well of what he speaks.
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 05:46 PM
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8. Hedges -
Chris Hedges is a very The Year of Living Dangerously kind of guy. He’s been held hostage, shot at, beaten, deported, imprisoned, and called a “unilateral” by our military for working outside the “imbedded reporter” pool.

A quote about him:
Hedges shows how war seduces not just those on the front lines but entire societies, corrupting politics, destroying culture, and perverting the most basic human desires.
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