The Franklin Cover-up

[hang a left]

This was the biggest scandal in the history of the U.S.A history. The story received some newspaper coverage but there was a TV News Media blackout on the subject. For this reason, most Americans have never heard of it.

Former republican Senator John Decamp was involved in the production a documentary called "Conspiracy of Silence" it was to air May 3, 1994 on the <a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=9&k=discovery%20channel" illegal code"window.status='Discovery Channel'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">Discovery Channel</a>. This documentary exposed a network of religious leaders and Washington politicians who flew children to Washington D.C. for sex orgies. At the last minute before airing, unknown congressmen threatened the TV Cable industry with restrictive legislation if this documentary was aired.

Almost immediately, the rights to the documentary were purchased by unknown persons who had ordered all copies destroyed. A copy of this videotape was furnished anonymously to former Nebraska state senator and attorney John De Camp who made it available to retired F.B.I. chief, Ted L. Gunderson. While the video quality is not top grade, this tape is a blockbuster in what is revealed by the participants involved. You can purchase a VHS copy at this link. Or you can view an online copy at this page. Franklin Cover up video page

Boy prostitutes 15 years old (and younger) were taking midnight tours of the Whitehouse. There are 19 more Washington Times articles in full text about this case available here at this link.
Newspaper scans or text are not for commercial use. Solely to be used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion.


The Washington Times, Pg. A3 July 26, 1989 Headline: Secret Service furloughs third White House guard

http://www.thelawparty.org/FranklinCoverup/franklin.htm


John DeCamp

During 16 years in office, former state Senator John DeCamp was cited, even by his enemies at the World Herald, as one of the most effective legislators in Nebraska history. A highly decorated Vietnam War veteran, in 1975 he initiated Operation Baby Lift, which evacuated 2,800 orphaned Vietnamese children. He practices law in Lincoln, Nebraska, is married, and is the father of four children.

The shut-down of Omaha, Nebraska's Franklin Community Federal Credit Union, raided by federal agencies in November 1988, sent chock waves all the way to Washington, D.C. $40 million was missing. The credit union's manager: Republican Party activist Lawrence E. "Larry" King, Jr., behind whose rise to fame and riches stood powerful figures in Nebraska politics and business, and in the nation's capital.

In the face of opposition from local and state law enforcement, from the FBI, and from the powerful Omaha World-Herald Newspaper, a special Franklin committee of the Nebraska Legislature launched its own probe. What looked like a financial swindle, soon exploded into a hideous tale of drugs, Iran- Contra money-laundering, a nationwide child abuse ring, and ritual murder.

Nineteen months later, the legislative committee's chief investigator died-- suddenly, and violently, like more than a dozen other people linked to the Franklin case.
snip>

http://www.premier1.net/~barkonwd/decamp.htm

This legal judgement against a notorious perpetrator of satanic-ritual child abuse is unprecedented. In the Memorandum of Decision, Judge Urbom wrote, "King continually subjected the plaintiff to repeated sexual assaults, false imprisonment, infliction of extreme emotional distress, organized and directed satanic rituals, forced the plaintiff to 'scavenge' for children to be a part of the defendant King's sexual abuse and pornography ring, forced the plaintiff to engage in numerous sexual contacts with the defendant King and others and participate in deviate sexual games and masochistic orgies with other minor children.

"He has suffered burns, broken fingers, beatings of the head and face and other indignities by the wrongful actions of the defendant King," the judge declared. "In addition to the misery of going through the experiences just related over a period of eight years <1980-1988>, the plaintiff has suffered the lingering results to the present time. "He is a victim of multiple personality disorder, involving as many as 14 distinct personalities aside from his primary personality," wrote the judge.

"He has given up a desired military career and received threats on his life. He suffers from sleeplessness, has bad dreams, has difficulty holding a job, is fearful that others are following him, fears getting killed, has depressing flashbacks, and is verbally violent on occasion, all in connection with the multiple personality disorder and caused by the wrongful activities of the defendant King."

Franklin Cover-up

Bonacci's lawyer, John DeCamp, has waged a long, lonely and expensive legal campaign in exposing crimes involving an international pedophile-pornography ring.
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http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/Bonacci_vs_King-Franklin_Scandal.htm


Watch the Documentary
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/141003conspiracyofsilence.html

[Ravenseye]

1. Seriously?

I've never heard of this.

[zbdent]

8. Damn the media's liberal agenda!

and how this was constantly screamed into the public's ears every 10 seconds!

[TrustingDog]

53. seriously... and I hadn't heard of this Until The Internets...

Whoever scanned that front page to put forth should be credited. It's a little more difficult to explain it all away, isn't it?

Dammit but we're all in big trouble with vermim like these 'leading' us.

[0007]

2. Hmmm were these guys some of the boys?



[Mugsy]

16. Bush and Perry

<chuckle>

That's then-Governor Bush with his Lt. Gov (now gov) Rick Perry (aka: "Governor Good-Hair"). :)

[MsTryska]

40. hmm...is it just me, or are they

uncomfortably close to each other int hat picture? (by American standards i mean)


or maybe i should just say, gee-dub is all up in good-hair's space.

[CoffeeCat]

3. Have any of the child victims come forward?

I'm curious about the children who were involved in the organized child sex ring.

Were these children helped?

Was an investigation ever held?

Have any of these children come forward as adults, to discuss what they endured?

[hang a left]

5. Yes they have.

Watch the documentary.

[kk897]

11. In fact, a judge found in favor of at least one of the kids

I read the book a while ago. It's all very... odd. Don't know what to make of it. Basically, a Larry King (not the talk show host but an African American GOP bigwig) ran a child prostitution and ritual abuse ring for the power elite, according to the book. I've been trying to track down King after he was released from prison recently, but so far, he seems to have disappeared. If anyone turns up anything, I'd love to know.

Somehow, I have this deep down feeling that it has something to do with why the Dems have been so quiet during the Bush reign and the recent election fraud. It's all disquieting. Unlike "Trance-formation of America," this case seems to have a bit more of an evidentiary basis.

I'd direct you to a Free Republic page that has a lot of info on it, but then you'd have to visit Free Republic! (I held my nose). Well, if you *really* want info, here's the link:

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a388cd49f5ce8.htm

(basically gives all the links to the WT coverage)

Note that WT is Moonie-related, although I don't know if it was at the time of these events.

[CoffeeCat]

30. I'll watch the documentary...also--

I'm wondering what other corroborating evidence--besides the survivor's (Paul Binnaci) testimony was given. Usually, sexual abuse cases are so hard to win. It's usually the survivors word against the defendant--and juries are often reluctant to convict without other evidence.

I applaud this judge for rendering his just verdict.

I began reading about Binacci, in some of the linked articles. I knew I remembered this guy from somewhere. He was all over our local media because he says he helped kidnap Johnny Gosch--a local paper boy who disappeared here decades ago. The disappearance and Binnaci's claims were major stories here. Huge.

My initial impression of Binnaci was that he was not credible--a bit of a kook. I believe he is credible, but the media painted him negatively. In all of the reporting about Binnaci (and there was a lot around here), I never once heard anything about the Franklin Cover-Up or other related information about the sexual abuse he endured.

This is all so bizarre.

[hang a left]

4. A little more

[hermetic]

6. I think this needs a bit more exposure

I found this: http://www.geocities.com/nolte_family2001/franklin-notes.html

[robcon]

7. I think the tinfoil hat is a little tight on this one

I don't believe a word of it.

[hang a left]

10. ahem...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0963215809/103-7996377-0219041?v=glance

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0963215809.01._PIdp-schmoo2,TopRight,7,-26_PE25_SCMZZZZZZZ_.gif

But the book, educate yourself, and then tell me what you think.

[Booster]

32. I haven't read the book but have heard of this scandal. Not long

ago there was a thread that mentioned Bob Dole would have an aide go to the bank and take out $8,000 A WEEK for what he called spending money. My twisted little mind thinks he is paying someone to keep their mouth shut. I don't care who you are, you really don't need that much spending money, especially when you take out the exact same amount every week. Something smells rotten, really rotten.

[Minstrel Boy]

13. It's funny, the things people

refuse to believe.

Jon Ronson, author of Them: Adventures with Extremists, showed his father footage of the elites' "cremation of care" ceremony at the foot of Bohemian Grove's giant stone owl, complete with burning of a human effigy. His father's comment: "That didn’t happen."

The most powerful control mechanism is internal. It's the brain surgery we perform on ourselves - owing to social conditioning, peer approval and dread of ridicule - that is of the greatest service to those deserving exposure and justice, and who seem to perpetually evade both.

Watch the suppressed Yorkshire Television documentary, follow the links, read the book.

Just because it's outrageous doesn't make it any less true. We're living in an outrageous time.

[kk897]

46. Jon Ronson, author of Them: Adventures with Extremists

I thought "Them" was a terrific book and a great introduction to parapolitics for the skeptical or those who have heard only a little about the "conspiracy theories" covered. Ronson seems to be a reporter who went looking for one thing and found another. That kind of account can be quite convincing, since the reader often makes a similar voyage of discovery, and it seems to remove a little of the reporter's bias from expectations (which of course could be but an authorial ploy).

I also enjoyed the television series the book was based upon; they show it on I think Bravo or Trio (often get those channels confused) from time to time, late at night. I think it's called "Secret Rulers of the World" or something similar. The Ruby Ridge interviews, in particular, moved me.

[Andy_Stephenson]

21. Tinfoil is not tight

This was a very well researched story and it is all...unfortunately...true.

[Sterling]

23. Don't you say that about most stuff.

Not repeated on CNN 300 times a day?

[bobbyboucher]

24. It's his job,

don't cha know?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

47. THis was part of the congressional page story...I remember it well

there was a documentary done about it...I think GodBushnCheney has a link for it

[seabeyond]

54. i remember when it was being whispered on the news n/t

[Minstrel Boy]

9. "Yes, George Bush does have a problem"

From my blog, Sept 4. Links are live at the site.

Why do people say such TERRIBLE things about the Bush Family?

I dunno - perhaps, just maybe, because they've done terrible things?

...

In the 1980s, a man named Lawrence King launched a credit union in Omaha and quickly became one of the most prominent black Republicans in America. He sang the national anthem at two Republican National Conventions. He was a friend of powerful state and national figures, including billionaire Warren Buffett (Buffett hosted the King's 10th anniversary party and sat on the board of Franklin's parent company) and then-Vice President George Herbert Walker Bush.

King also happened to be an abusive paedophile, who ran an adolescent sex ring out of his office that enjoyed the protection of US security and intelligence apparatus, which exploited children lured from the neighbouring Boys' Town as both a honeytrap to blackmail vulnerable parties and as a reward for faithful assets.

King is serving 15 years for fraud, some of it related to Iran/Contra money laundering, and recently lost a million dollar lawsuit filed by Paul Bonacci, one of his former child prostitutes who took a midnight tour of the White House organized through the office of the Vice President. Judge Warren Urbom found that King

continually subjected the plaintiff to repeated sexual assaults, false imprisonment, infliction of extreme emotional distress, organized and directed satanic rituals, forced the plaintiff to "scavenge" for children to be a part of the defendant King's sexual abuse and pornography ring, forced the plaintiff to engage in numerous sexual contacts with the defendant King and others and participate in deviate sexual games and masochistic orgies with other minor children.

It seems too horrible to have happened. So - did it? Goddamn right it did. But Poppy mixed up with a child sex ring? The allegation is too outrageous to process. So the screen slides across the mind, and it's as though we never heard about it, let alone that it ever occured.

The Nebraska State legislature retained investigator Gary Caradori to sort through allegations of a paedophile ring run out of the Franklin Credit Union, which implicated not only some of the most powerful figures in the state, but high officials in Washington as well.

Caradori travelled to Chicago to gather testimony and evidence of a child prostitution ring which implicated senior Republicans both in the state and in DC, and operated with the knowledge of Vice President Bush (a number of the teens placed Bush at sex parties) and the protection of intelligence agencies, all tied to King's credit union. He'd taken along his young son, who wanted to see the 1990 All-Star Game.

Before returning to Nebraska, Caradori called the committee chief, Senator Loran Schmit, to say he had the smoking gun. "We've got them! There's no way they can get out of it now!" He would be bringing home photographic evidence supporting the fantastic though reluctant testimony of the victimized teens. En route, his small plane exploded in midair, killing both him and his son. A farmer witnessed a flash of light and heard an explosion. That report made the early news, but subsequent stories said the plane exploded on impact. The wreckage was removed to a military base and ruled an accident, though the cause was not determined. His briefcase was never recovered.

Though both Caradori and Schmit had received numerous death threats, Caradori believed they were in the clear. He'd assured the Senator "It's unlikely that they would kill you or me, Loran, because that would be too obvious. But then again, you never know." In the Nebraska statehouse later the day of Caradori's death, Schmit told reporters "There were a lot of people in this state who wanted to see Gary dead. They got their wish."

Former CIA Director William Colby was quietly hired by the Nebraska legislature's committee to look into the investigator's death. Colby warned his friend, author, lawyer and former State Senator John DeCamp to stay away, or he could end up dead as well, because "sometimes there are forces and events too big, too powerful."

Craig Spence might have concurred. Spence was a Republican Washington-based lobbyist and business associate of King who ran his own call-boy operation, and helped organize the after-hours White House tour. In The Washington Times of August 9, 1989, Spence "hinted the tours were arranged by top level" persons, including Vice President Bush's National Security Advisor Donald Gregg, whose name also figures prominently in the October Surprise story. The Times adds that "Spence, according to friends, was also carrying out homosexual blackmail operations for the CIA."

Spence might have concurred. He was found dead in a hotel in Boston four months after the call-boy story broke, his death ruled a suicide.

And what about Bush, besides the High Weirdness of his office rewarding adolescent prostitutes with a midnight White House tour? From DeCamp's The Franklin Cover-Up, recounting the testimony of Nelly Patterson Webb:

Nelly first brought up (GHW) Bush in 1986, when she told Julie Walters about the sex parties she was flown to in Washington and Chicago. She saw Bush at two of these parties, she said, one in each city.

Nelly also told Walters that one frequent party-goer with King was a boy named 'Brent,' the one who was 'flown to another city somewhere' after a falling out with King. Walters did not have the time to cross-check this information with the life of Brandt Thomas, the Boys Town resident who had moved in with Larry King. Franklin credit union files contained a letter signed by King, in his capacity as Youth Affairs Committee advisor for the National Black Republican Council, listing Thomas as one of two national contact people for NBRC campus chapters.

Three years later, with an investigation of abuse by King and the Webbs finally underway, Nelly was interviewed again. Speaking to Franklin committee detective Jerry Lowe, she repeated her account of the Chicago party, and said that Bush and the two men he arrived with appeared to have left the affair with a young black man she called 'Bandit.'...

Bush's name surfaced again in Lowe's May 1989 review of reports by Thomas Vlahoulis from the state attorney general's office: "both Kimberly and Nelly brought up the name of George Bush and indicated that they had both met him." There is a psychologist in Omaha who used to work for the CIA. In response to a direct question by an Omaha psychiatrist regarding George Bush's private life, this psychologist reported hearing rumors when Bush was head of the CIA, that correspond directly with the inferences made by Nelly Webb, and commented to the psychiatrist, 'But how do you investigate your boss?'"

And from the "Omaha" chapter of Webster Tarpley's unauthorized (no kidding) biography of Poppy:

Sound crazy? Not to Steve Bowman, an Omaha businessman who is compiling a book about the Franklin money and sex scandal. 'We do have some credible witnesses who say that "Yes, George Bush does have a problem.".... Child abuse has become one of the epidemics of the 1990s,' Bowman told GQ....

Mrs. Julie Walters, now a housewife in the Midwest, confirmed that in 1986 she had interviewed the alleged child prostitute, Lisa, who told her about Mr. Bush. Lisa and her sister Tracey were temporarily living at the time in the home of Kathleen Sorenson, another foster parent. Mrs. Walters explained that at first she was very surprised. But Lisa, who came from a very underprivileged background with no knowledge of political affairs, gave minute details of her attendance at political meetings around the country."

From Julie Walters' 50-page handwritten report:

3/25/86. Met with Kathleen and Lisa for about 2 hours in Blair questioning Lisa for more details about sexual abuse.... Lisa admitted to being used as a prostitute by Larry King when she was on trips with his family. She started going on trips when she was in 10th grade. Besides herself and Larry there was also Mrs. King, their son, Prince, and 2-3 other couples. They traveled in Larry's private plane, Lisa said that at these trip parties, which Larry hosted, she sat naked 'looking pretty and innocent' and guests could engage in any sexual activity they wanted (but penetration was not allowed) with her.... Lisa said she first met V.P. George Bush at the Republican Convention (that Larry King sang the national anthem at) and saw him again at a Washington, D.C. party that Larry hosted. At that party, Lisa saw no women ('make-up was perfect--you had to check their legs to make sure they weren't a woman').

Why do people say such terrible things about the Bush family? I dunno. Perhaps, just maybe, they're all lying.

But the great privilege of respectable men is the license to commit outrageous crimes, because to allege them capable of such acts is, to many, inconceivable.

Say, that reminds me - ever heard of Margie Schoedinger?

For more regarding the Franklin story, see this archive of articles pertaining to the Franklin Cover-Up.

Also:

The Franklin Credit Union Sex Ring Scandal

George Bush, The CIA, Mind Control & Child Abuse

The Washington Child-Sex Ring Cover-Up

Amazon link to John DeCamp's The Franklin Cover-Up.

To download a pirated copy of Yorkshire Television's documentary of the Franklin case, Conspiracy of Silence, and to read how it was kept off American television, go here.

[kk897]

12. MB, as usual, you're the best.

Say, do *you* know where King is now?

[Minstrel Boy]

15. I think he's still behind bars, but

due for release soon. That's my understanding.

In 1999 King was fined $1 million in damages for his part in the abuse of Franklin victim Paul Bonacci.

Here's the decision:


In the United States District Court For the District of Nebraska
Paul A. Bonacci, Plaintiff 4:CV91-3037
vs
Lawrence E. King, Defendant Memorandum of Decision
Filed February 22, 1999

On February 27, 1998, I found that default judgment should be entered against the defendant Lawrence E. King in favor of the plaintiff, Paul A. Bonacci. A trial on the issue of the damages due the plaintiff by that defendant was had on February 5, 1999.

Two counts are alleged against the defendant: King in the complaint. Count V alleges a conspiracy with public officers to deprive the plaintiff of his civil rights, designed to continue to subject the plaintiff to emotional abuse and to prevent him from informing authorities of criminal conduct. Count VIII charges battery, false imprisonment, infliction of emotional distress, negligence and conspiracy to deprive the plaintiff of civil rights. Between December 1980 and 1988, the complaint alleges, the defendant King continually subjected the plaintiff to repeated sexual assaults, false imprisonments, infliction of extreme emotional distress, organized and directed satanic rituals, forced the plaintiff to "scavenge" for children to be a part of the defendant King's sexual abuse and pornography ring, forced the plaintiff to engage in numerous masochistic orgies with other minor children. The defendant King's default has made those allegations true against him. The issue now is the relief to be granted monetarily.

The now uncontradicted evidence is that the plaintiff has suffered much. He has suffered burns, broken fingers, beating of the head and face and other indignities by the wrongful actions of the defendant King. In addition to the misery of going through the experiences just related over a period of eight years, the plaintiff has suffered the lingering results to the present time. He is a victim of multiple personality disorder, involving as many as fourteen distinct personalities aside from his primary personality. He has given up a desired military career and received threats on his life. He suffers from sleeplessness, has bad dreams, has difficulty in holding a job, is fearful that others are following him, fears getting killed, has depressing flashbacks, and is verbally violent on occasion, all in connection with the multiple personality disorder and caused by the wrongful activities of the defendant King.

Almost certainly the defendant King has little remaining financial resources, but a fair judgment to compensate the plaintiff is necessary. For the sixteen years since the abuse of the plaintiff began I conclude that a fair compensation for the damages he has suffered is $800,000. A punitive damage award also is justified, but the amount needs to be limited because of the small effect that such a judgment would have on the defendant King, given his financial condition and presence in prison. I deem the punitive damage award of $200,000 to be adequate.

Dated February 19, 1999.
By the Court
/s/Warren Urborn
United States Senior District Judge

http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/Bonacci_vs_King-Franklin_Scandal.htm

[kk897]

51. Apparently, King's out

Here's from a 2003 interview with Johnny Gosch's mom:

<i>Now that Lawrence King is out of prison, where he was being held on financial crimes, Bonacci may be able to get that $1 million in damages from him.

DeCamp has been told that upon getting out of prison, Lawrence King was slated to go to Washington for a job within the Republican Party.</i>

http://educate-yourself.org/tg/goschcradiointerview19aug03.shtml

[Minstrel Boy]

52. holy f*ck...!

"DeCamp has been told that upon getting out of prison, Lawrence King was slated to go to Washington for a job within the Republican Party"

Thanks for the update.

[kk897]

17. from Free Republic (sorry)

Clipped from http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3886761c4a1d.htm

King drops appeal of $1 million judgment The Associated Press State & Local Wire January 13, 2000, Thursday, BC cycle

OMAHA, Neb.
The former head of the defunct Franklin Federal Credit Union, who initially did not answer a $1 million lawsuit judgment against him, now is dropping an appeal of that order.

The judgment resulted from a lawsuit filed in 1991 by Paul Bonacci of Omaha, who alleged King and others forced him to take part in a child-prostitution ring in Omaha in the 1980s....However, it is believed King frittered away the money he embezzled and had no assets when he went to prison for 15 years.

------

So he should be out, I think. It's hard to find info about the case after about this time. As far as I can tell (from my bit of research), deCamp hasn't written anything else. I'd really like to know what's happened in the intervening years.

[sheilajane]

14. in the library....

I have read some of the book and it sicken me so I couldn't finish it! It is hard to believe,but it mentions names and is it so hard to believe when we have children sold into sex slavery in Thailand? We have child abuse in this country also. This ought to be looked into for the sake of the children! Read the book,if you can. Go to your library and ask for the Franklin Papers and see what you think.

[Minstrel Boy]

18. Franklin investigator Gary Caradori dies in plane crash

Excerpted from my blog:

The Nebraska State legislature retained investigator Gary Caradori to sort through allegations of a paedophile ring run out of the Franklin Credit Union, which implicated not only some of the most powerful figures in the state, but high officials in Washington as well.

Caradori travelled to Chicago to gather testimony and evidence of a child prostitution ring which implicated senior Republicans both in the state and in DC, and operated with the knowledge of Vice President Bush (a number of the teens placed Bush at sex parties) and the protection of intelligence agencies, all tied to King's credit union. He'd taken along his young son, who wanted to see the 1990 All-Star Game.

Before returning to Nebraska, Caradori called the committee chief, Senator Loran Schmit, to say he had the smoking gun. "We've got them! There's no way they can get out of it now!" He would be bringing home photographic evidence supporting the fantastic though reluctant testimony of the victimized teens. En route, his small plane exploded in midair, killing both him and his son. A farmer witnessed a flash of light and heard an explosion. That report made the early news, but subsequent stories said the plane exploded on impact. The wreckage was removed to a military base and ruled an accident, though the cause was not determined. His briefcase was never recovered.

Though both Caradori and Schmit had received numerous death threats, Caradori believed they were in the clear. He'd assured the Senator "It's unlikely that they would kill you or me, Loran, because that would be too obvious. But then again, you never know." In the Nebraska statehouse later the day of Caradori's death, Schmit told reporters "There were a lot of people in this state who wanted to see Gary dead. They got their wish."

[Minstrel Boy]

19. People who don't want their world turned upside should stay away

from this story. Because this one will deepen, and darken, your appreciation of what exactly it is we're up against.

It's not as bad as you think it is. It's worse.

[Andy_Stephenson]

20. Here is an old thread on this very subject

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=392459

[kk897]

25. Great thread, Andy

I notice at the end there were plans to continue further research. I assume election issues took precedence, but was there any more?

I just can't find anything past 2000 on the subject.

Oh, and here's a bit that could, perhaps, be connectd, if only vaguely

Clipped from http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story.asp?Article=99533&Sn=WORL&IssueID=27277 Friday, December 24, 2004 10:22:33 PM:

(note: I clipped it on 24th but it appeared on 22nd)

Sex probe men commit suicide

LONDON: Thirty-two men have committed suicide following their arrests in connection with Britain's biggest probe into child pornography, a newspaper reported yesterday.

Many were family men who stood to lose their jobs and marriages if convicted of paedophile offences and could not cope with the shame of arrest, the mass circulation Daily Mail tabloid reported.

The newspaper said the men were among thousands of suspects held during Operation Ore, the British end of a US investigation launched in 2002 into a pay-per-vew child pornography website based in Texas.

So far 7,200 Britons have been identified, with 3,729 of them arrested, it added. Some 1,600 have been charged and 1,200 convicted, it added.

It said details of the suicides were released by the Association of Chief Police Officers on Monday, but quoted Assistant Chief Constable Stuart Hyde, an association spokesman, as saying the suicides would not deter officers from enforcing the law.

[Sterling]

22. Kick

I hate people who dismiss stuff without bothering to look at it first. It is the height of arrogant stupidity.

[CoffeeCat]

26. It's truly frightening...what IS going on????

For several years, I've been involved as a group facilitator for survivors of childhood sexual abuse.

During my education and research, I've been completely puzzled by the Republican resistance to the psychological community's proactive approach to defining and treating adult survivors of sexual abuse.

I called a local conservative, talk-radio program one day--because the host was discussing child sexual abuse. I was floored when the host attacked me for mentioning well-known facts about sexual abuse (that one in 4 girls/one in 7 boys will be sexually abused before the age of 18). He was outraged and told me "those false figures are perpetuated by radical feminists and that they are lies!" I did some research and found other conservatives with this attitude.

These figures have been repeatedly validated in studies, polls and in psychological research.

In addition, Dr. Laura (rightwingnut) attacks callers who suggest that they had repressed (or forgot) some or all of their childhood sexual abuse. Dr. Laura brow beats these people, "There's no such thing as repression of sexual abuse! It's all made up by bad psychologists!" I heard her tell a repressed-memory caller that her support group was helping her to perpetuate the lies, and that the women in these support groups were all man haters. The caller kept saying, "But most of the women in my support group are married!". The caller was cut off.

Dr. Laura advocates the paradigms of the "False Memory Syndrome" brigade. These people are monsters--all of them accused of sexual abuse by their children. These people deny they did anything and formed a group to claim that they're really the victims here--of their children who have "False Memory Syndrome." The founder of this group is an alcoholic whose daughter accused him of sexually abusing him. It's worth noting that most of these FMS members define themselves as religious conservatives (which is also quite interesting because 75 percent of the survivors in my support group were abused by fathers/stepfathers who were "religious conservatives").

Researchers have mountains of studies and empirical data-- demonstrating that repression and traumatic amnesia is true--and it is not uncommon with children who were traumatized by sexually abuse.

So-----I think we all have to ask ourselves. Why are Republicans (particularly conservatives) fighting the very basic statistics about sexual abuse? They are denying that a problem exists. Also, why are they attacking childhood survivors--who are so traumatized that they have coped by repressing/forgetting their abuse and then recalled it later???

Why, the Republicans?????

Just what on earth is going on????

[libnnc]

28. And the repubs penchant for scapegoating

gays and lesbians as preditory paedophiles.

Methinks they protest a bit too much...

[Minstrel Boy]

35. A possible, partial answer may be found in "The Greenbaum Speech"

of Dr D. Corydon Hammond.

Deep-black covert ops, with roots in Nazi research, regarding trauma-induced mind control.

From the lecture:

In Chicago at the first international congress where ritual abuse was talked about I can remember thinking, "How strange and interesting." I can recall many people listening to an example given that somebody thought was so idiosyncratic and rare, and all the people coming up after saying, "Gee, you're treating one, too? You're in Seattle"...Well, I'm in Toronto...Well, I'm in Florida...Well, I'm in Cincinnati." I didn't know what to think at that point. It wasn't too long after that I found my first ritual-abuse patient in somebody I was already treating and we hadn't gotten that deep yet.

...

I started to hear some similarities. Whereas I hadn't known, to begin with, how widespread things were, I was now getting a feeling that there were a lot of people reporting some similar things and that there must be some degree of communication here. Then approximately two and a half years ago I had some material drop in my lap. My source was saying a lot of things that I knew were accurate about some of the brainwashing, but it was telling me new material I had no idea about.

...

When you start to find the same highly esoteric information in different states and different countries, from Florida to California, you start to get an idea that there's something going on that is very large, very well coordinated, with a great deal of communication and sytematicness to what's happening. So I have gone from someone kind of neutral and not knowing what to think about it all to someone who clearly believes ritual abuse is real and that the people who say it isn't are either naive like people who didn't want to believe the Holocaust or -- they're dirty.

...

We find a lot of connections with the CIA. This patient now was in a Cult school, a private Cult school where several of these sessions occurred a week. She would go into a room, get all hooked up. They would do all of these sorts of things. When she was in the proper altered state, now they were no longer having to monitor it with electroencephalographs, she also had already had placed on her electrodes, one in the vagina, for example, four on the head.
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/greenbaum.htm

Dr Hammond's credentials:

B.S. M.S. Ph.D (Counseling Psychology) from the University of Utah
Diplomate in Clinical Hypnosis, the American Board of Psychological Hypnosis
Diplomate in Sex Therapy, the American Board of Sexology
Clinical Supervisor and Board Examiner, American Board of Sexology
Diplomate in Marital and Sex Therapy, American Board of Family Psychology
Licensed Psychologist, Licensed Marital Therapist, Licensed Family Therapist, State of Utah
Research Associate Professor of Physical Medicine an Rehabilitation, Utah School of Medicine
Director and Founder of the Sex and Marital Therapy Clinic, University of Utah.
Adjunct Associate Professor of Educational Psychology, University of Utah Abstract
Editor, The American Journal of Clinical Hypnosis
Advising Editor and Founding Member, Editorial Board, The Ericsonian Monograph
Referee, The Journal of Abnormal Psychology
1989 Presidential Award of Merit, American Society of Clinical Hypnosis
1990 Urban Sector Award, American Society of Clinical Hypnosis
Current President, American Society of Clinical Hypnosis

[CoffeeCat]

42. I've found the same "similarities" in online support groups...

One of the online support groups I helped run, provided support for survivors of sexual abuse.

The site was run by a licensed psychotherapist who specialized in treating PTSD resulting from long-term childhood sexual abuse.

This psychotherapist was incredible. Other therapists would often send severely traumatized survivors to her--because she was very good at dealing with Multiple Personality Disorder, various ranges of DID and profound trauma.

The online support group served as additional support to a survivor's regular psychotherapy sessions. This online group was closed (not open to the public) and helped about 40 survivors--all well known to the psychotherapist.

All participants were severely traumatized, but doing well and moving forward. Most had DID. They were from all over the United States. Most experienced sexual abuse and very traumatic "silencing techniques" that the abuser(s) used to ensure silence. Some of these method included: threats to the victim, severe emotional abuse, threatening to kill pets/family members, physical abuse and in some cases torture--really horrendous accounts. Some of the abuse had ritualistic/Satanic elements.

I don't know what is going on in this country--but this stuff IS happening all over the place.

In the online cases--90 percent of the perpetrators were the survivor's father or stepfather. In about 50 percent of these cases the mother also participated in sexual abuse as well.

I find it bizarre that the cameras roll when an Elizabeth Smart case happens. They can't get to the child's home fast enough. Where are the reporters on these everyday cases, committed in every city in this country? It's news when a stranger abducts and rapes a child. However, it's a silent secret when many fathers sexually abuse their own children as the children lie in their own beds.

It's just really a very disturbing situation...

[canadianbeaver]

43. Never has a truer word been spoken...........It is so bad!!! n/t

[K3RRY1]

27. I'd never heard of this.....

Some of the reviews on Amazon have me concerned about the legitimacy of the DeCamp book:

Calling All Paranoid Freaks, October 4, 2000
Reviewer: A reader
John DeCamp is a con man from way back. And he has continued this scam by appealing to paranoia. The "kids" involved in this "scandal" are a collection of the biggest losers and liars to ever live in Omaha. Yet the fireplug they call DeCamp has turned them into "stars". One of them was released from prison last week and refuses to talk about her perjury conviction. How come,Alisha? Perhaps because after so many years the lies have faded from memory? One of the other major players in this joke is now an "evangelist". So as you can plainly see, he has just moved on to another scam. Believe this garbage if you choose. However those of us who live here and who studied the truth know better.

Heavy Reading for L:ightweight Intellects, March 18, 2002
Reviewer: A reader
John DeCamp knows his audience -- ignorant, paranoid, gullible,insecure, and feeble-minded -- and this book plays right to them. DeCamp's halucinations have been thoroughly discredited by virtually everyone who has heard them; a grand jury, federal and state investigators, and just ordinary citizens with the enough sense to come in out of the rain. Reading this book, I got dizzy from all the absurdity. Keeping up with the labyrinthine plots, sub-plots, names, places and acts was all but impossible. It brought to mind that TV series "Picket Fences." But at least the writers admitted that show was a comedy. DeCamp's vivid, highly descriptive, almost worshipful descritions of acts allegedly carried out against children was so creepy that it makes you wonder about what kind of sickness is rattling around in the author's head. Instead of spending nine bucks for this craziness, donate it instead to a mental health charity. You'll feel better about yourself.

Not worth anyone's time, May 20, 2001
Reviewer: A reader
This was an unfortunate waste of time. Not only is the tone of the book rather unbalanced, I suspect the writer is also a bit "off". Facts are distorted, rumors are held as truths, and so on. Nebraska as the center of satanic cults? One very kooky book. Only for the gullible.

[Minstrel Boy]

29. Amazon reviews of controversial books

always include such comments. I'm not talking UFO-controversial; I'm talking Michael Moore-controversial.

Lots of loaded words - "kook" "paranoid" "gullible" - and no actual refutation.

Some people want to steer others away from certain material.

[SoCalDem]

45. It's called.."Shoot the messenger"

Don't like the facts? Destroy the person presenting them.. repubes are masters of the technique :hi:

[bobthedrummer]

31. More links-this is certainly not "tinfoil"

Larry King/Franklin Credit Union
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/ring.htm

Johnny Gosch Foundation
http://www.johnnygosch.com/gunderson_report.html

Ritual Abuse
http://www.ra-info.org/related/articles.shtml

John Rappoport talk: "The CIA, Mind Control and Children"
http://www.nlp-mindcontrol.com/cia_children_mind_control.htm

[K3RRY1]

33. this thing stinks like a McMartin hoax.

sorry, i'm not buying.

[Minstrel Boy]

36. "False Memory Syndrome" is the explanation of CIA contractors

From The False Memory Hoax by Alex Constantine:

Martin T. Orne, for example, a senior CIA/Navy researcher, is based at the University of Pennsylvania's Experimental Psychiatry Laboratory. He is also an original member of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation's advisory board, a tightly-drawn coterie of psychiatrists, many with backgrounds in CIA mind control experimentation in its myriad forms. The Foundation is dedicated to denying the existence of cult mind control and child abuse. It's primary pursuit is the castigation of survivors and therapists for fabricating accusations of ritual abuse.

Dismissing cult abuse as hysteria or false memory, a common defense strategy, may relieve parents of preschool children. In a small percentage of cult abuse cases it's possible that children may be led to believe they've been victimized.

But the CIA and its cover organizations have a vested interest in blowing smoke at the cult underground because the worlds of CIA mind control and many cults merge inextricably. The drum beat of "false accusations" from the media is taken up by paid operatives like Dr. Orne and the False Memory Syndrome Foundation to conceal the crimes of the Agency.

Orne's forays into hypno-programming were financed in the 1960s by the Human Ecology Fund, a CIA cover at Cornell University and the underwriter of many of the formative mind control experiments conducted in the U.S. and abroad, including the gruesome brainwashing and remote mind control experiments of Dr. Ewen Cameron at Montreal's Allen Memorial Institute. Research specialties of the CIA's black psychiatrists included electroshock lobotomies, drugging agents, incapacitants, hypnosis, sleep deprivation and radio control of the brain, among hundreds of sub-projects.


From The CIA, Mind Control & Children by Jon Rappoport:

Let me say now, before we get into it further, that the one organization in the United States that has tried to debunk all of this is called the False Memory Syndrome Foundation. They are based in Philadelphia. They say that any recovered memories in therapy, that is any patient who goes into therapy and recovers a memory is a liar or unintentionally lying because their therapist induced it, suggested it, guided it, okay? Now, I talked to these people and at certain levels they are very well meaning of course ... that is always the way. I talked to their PR person and I asked when were you born, this organization? She said, "1992". I said well how extensive is it? And she said, "We have a chapter in every state." Now for anybody who has ever been an activist or worked in non-profit 501C3 ... are you kidding me man? You have a chapter in every state in 3 years? You're cooking, you are cooking ... and in foreign countries they have chapters too. But no foundation money and no government funding ... this is like, you know, they are like ... walking on water ... you know? (audience member: "It took McDonald's longer ...) There we go. That's the False Memory Syndrome Foundation ... (audience member: "individual contributions ...") It is true ... now that organization was founded by Pamela Freyd ... her daughter accused her husband of abuse as a child ... and in the resultant uproar they founded this organization ... Frontline on PBS did an entire episode on all of this ...... and then received a letter, from I think it was the daughter's brother who said, that was quite a presentation you put on about the FMSF and my mother ... and I just wanted to tell you though that despite your sympathetic treatment of this organization, everything my sister said was absolutely true and they were abusing her from the time she was a little kid." That's interesting about the beginning of this organization.

Now on the board of this organization we have such luminaries as Louis Joly West ... Louis "I never worked for the CIA" Joly West. This guy has been documented to have done all kinds of stuff for the CIA and military on mind control stuff ... gave LSD to an elephant, and killed it. Wanted to start the Centre for the Study of Violence at UCLA in the l970's. We have letters, and this was going to be located in a used, abandoned missile base somewhere out north of LA, and part of the deal was they were going to do psychosurgery on violent offenders which is the selective melting of brain connections to keep people from being violent. And this was touted as being highly medical, very precise. This is right in the ballpark of what I am talking about here when they say "it's all medical ... we have miniaturized and we can take out certain neurons here and there, and everything's cool." Some people throw up their hands and say who am I to ... I don't know ... maybe they are right ...

So Louis West, who wanted to start this centre at UCLA, is on the board of FMSF and so is Martin Orne, a Harvard psychiatrist who has done contract work for the CIA in the past. And several other people who have those kinds of connections. They want to debunk this stuff right out of the box ... forget it. This is the kind of stuff they want to debunk.

Claudia Mullen, client of Valerie Wolf, reports to the Presidential Commission: "Between the years of 1957 and 1984 I became a pawn in a government scheme whose ultimate goal was mind control and to create the perfect spy. All through the use of chemicals, radiation, electroshock, hypnosis, drugs, isolation in tubs of water, sleep deprivation, brainwashing, and verbal, physical, emotional and sexual abuse. I was exploited unwittingly for nearly three decades of my life, and the only explanation given to me was that 'the end justifies the means' and I was serving my country in their bold effort to fight communism. I can only summarize my circumstances by saying they took an already abused 7 year old child and compounded my suffering beyond belief. In 1958 I was to be tested, they told me, by some important doctors coming from a place called The Society {that's the Human Ecology Society, a known CIA front}. I was told to cooperate, answer any of their questions, then since the tests might hurt, I would be given shots, xrays, and jolts of electricity. I was also instructed not to look in anyone's face too hard and to ignore names, as this was a very secret project ... but to be brave and all those things would help me forget. Naturally as most children do, I did the opposite, and remembered as much as I could. A Dr. John Gittinger tested me and Dr. Cameron gave me the shocks, and Dr. Green, the xrays. Then I was told by Sid Gottlieb I was right for the Big A ... meaning {Project} Artichoke."

[bobthedrummer]

38. Ground Lost: The False Memory/Recovered Memory Therapy Debate

by Alan W. Scheflin
http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/p991137.html

Brain updating machinery may explain false memory
http://www.raven1.net/changmem.htm

Valerie Wolf links
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/horrors.htm

http://www.hgsys.com/aches/mind_control.html

[Booster]

34. Kicking cause I think this is important. Just the number of people

involved in this who are now dead should raise some news media eyebrows, but, alas, not so.

[LeftyMom]

37. Oh goody an SRA thread

I thought that was a paranoid delusion of the right?

This is too fuckin' wierd. For one thing, no amount of makeup is going to make Pappy or any other shriveled old republican look like a woman, certainly not enough that you'd have to take a look at thier privates to
be sure they were men.

I'd buy a suggestion that Washington insiders use child whores, since there tends to be a relationship between powerful men and perverted shit. OTOH, throw in "Satanic" rituals and naked female impersonating balls and that's just too wierd for me.

The reason nobody takes the repressed memory advocates seriously is that they "remember" crazy shit like this.

[bobthedrummer]

39. There is evidence of SRA in the Abu Ghraib evidence that hasn't been

released but was viewed by military, Senators and some journalists.
You can take it to the bank.
Some have cashed in. The legacy of Col. Michael Aquino in military intelligence is part of it:grr:

[Sterling]

55. You are right on.

When that shit came out I could not believe that sex was involved. It just seemed to weird. Because I am not a sick pervert it was hard to understand.

Now it is easier to imagine people in powerful positions engaging in perverted acts and using their authority to get access to people, kids , farm animals to fulfill these perversions. People who seek power are generally fucked up to begin with. I wish people understood that better. It would be easier for them to understand what these people are capable of.

[Minstrel Boy]

57. Abu Ghraib analyzed by a survivor of trauma-induced mind control

Despite the news from Iraq, many people with whom I share my history still have a knee-jerk emotional reaction: "You must be making it up. I can't believe that this has been by our own government to US citizens - especially to children - right here in the US. I'm sorry - I am not willing to accept what you're saying." In spite of all that they are learning about the atrocities that intelligence spooks and interrogators and military personnel are capable of committing against fellow humans overseas, they aren't yet willing to face that such abuse is a historical emanation from the dark side of humanity.

...

Our stories are no less real than those of the Iraqi prisoners. Unfortunately, we are less likely to be believed by fellow citizens because our abuse was perpetrated – most often – by government employees within the borders of our countries. We were innocent civilians, not war prisoners. And what was done to most of us was much worse than what most of the Iraqi prisoners have unfortunately endured. (This is like comparing apples and oranges; both experiences are solid and real and directly related. Therefore, such a comparison is really a matter of the degree of trauma and torture and sexual degradation experienced by each survivor. Regardless of the degree, however, trauma is trauma. Every trauma is horrible, whether it lasts a day or a year or for decades.) The psychological scars and other results of the traumas we’ve endured are just as legitimate and consistent as the visible and invisible scars of the Iraqi prisoners, who will carry them in their minds and bodies – some, for the remainder of their lives. Deep humiliation and terror and rage cannot be conveniently erased when one is freed by ones tormentors.

As you read North American survivors’ reports, I challenge you to compare them with the reports of prisoner abuse and murder that are coming out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Remember, we made our stories public long before these revelations began emerging from Iraq. As you compare the reports, you may be horrified to discover that this kind of sadistic abuse is not an aberration. It is, in fact, historical and ongoing....

...

Some survivors have reported that these reports and photos triggered strong flashbacks and powerful emotions that temporarily disabled them, leaving them unable to socialize and perform life duties as well as they normally might.

My own reactions were equally powerful. I cried more during this past two months, than I have in years. I experienced strong bouts of depression and alternating periods of great manic energy. Both seemed to be generated by my strong feelings of outrage: our government is still hurting others in some of the same ways that we North American mind-control survivors have been hurt!

http://www.kathleen-sullivan.com/Iraq%20Revelations%20Part%201.htm

[bobthedrummer]

58. Remember the reports about the severed cat's head on a "detainee"

that story was gone pretty quickly-then there was the sodomizing of children done in front of parents as Seymour Hersh reported.

There was a newspaper in Fallujah that was reporting on all these horrors weeks before the western press. The newspaper was shut down.
There were protests and mercenaries in the employ of this administration ended the protests by shooting women and students in the face.

Then four Blackwater mercenaries were killed and mutilated which prompted orders to be given to USMC troops to take reprisals in Fallujah.

People tend to forget these things, if they registered at all-that's what happened in Fallujah as a result of reporting on the evil being done with the tax supported mercenaries, rapists and torturers of BFEE.

:puke::argh::mad::grr:

[Minstrel Boy]

48. "SRA" makes a good cover for

trauma-induced mind control. See the links. This is protected covert ops.

Just because there are no monsters, doesn't mean monsters don't scare children.

[selmo7]

62. these two ladies

Jeanne Sarsen and Linda McDonald have been doing some great work in this area, as they show how ritual abuse-torture (RAT) occurs at one end of the spectrum of relationships: from healthy to dysfunctional to abusive to "RAT" relationships. On a larger scale, they are trying to get non-state sponsored ritual abuse-torture recognized by the United Nations and also recognized by the Geneva Conventions (they have been partially successful so far with United Nations Womens groups.)

I try not to get too hung up on the word "ritual" - for example, substitute the phrase "ideology-based" and you get basically what happened at Abu Ghraib/Guantanamo, that is, state-sponsored ritual abuse-torture. What is more "ritualistic" a context than the military?

Their site also has a map where survivors can post where their abuse occurred and what groups. There is significant govt mc reported.

www.ritualabusetorture.org

[Joanne98]

41. Is there something NEW happening with this?

I've seen it posted twice today. What's up?

[Joanne98]

44. Michael Aquino........

History

Michael Aquino joined the Church of Satan in 1969, while he was in the US Army as a psychological operations specialist. Aquino became a priest in the Church in 1970, and was promoted to the level of Magister IV°, the highest ranking below High Priest (held by C of S founder Anton LaVey). In 1975, LaVey made a decision to sell priesthoods in the Church of Satan for cash, a move that alienated many existing members and officials. As a direct result of LaVey's announcement, Aquino and 28 fellow Church of Satan members left the group and founded their own church, the Temple of Set 2 . Aquino lists the number of members at closer to 100. He wrote The Book of Coming Forth By Night, supposedly with help from Set himself, declaring the need for a religion fulfilling individual potential through the Black Arts.

Aquino left the Church of Satan because of personal differences with LaVey as well as theological differences 3 . Aquino felt that LaVey was using the Church for his own personal gain - LaVey often made use of sensationalism to promote the Church. The two also differed in a deeper philosophical sense - LaVey felt that Satan was merely a symbol of strength and defiance, while Aquino belived in the literal manifestation of the god Satan (or the ancient Egyptian god Set, from which the Christian Satan is derived). The Temple of Set never gained the notorioty of the Church of Satan, largely because it was a more secretive organization from the start. The newly founded group became a non-profit church in 1975 and became exempt from federal and state taxes the same year.

Due to the tendency of the Temple of Set to avoid publicity, not much is known about their subsequent history. One major change has happened in the hierarchy of the Temple of Set in recent years. Michael Aquino stepped down as the High Priest in 1996, and has been succeeded by Don Webb. While the possibility of a philosophical change has been hinted at 4 , it is not clear what any such changes would be. Due to the inclination of the Temple of Set toward individuality as opposed to unity under leadership, it seems unlikely that a change of Head Priest would considerably alter the group's methodology.


| Profile | History | Beliefs | Current Controversies | Links | Bibliography | References |

I think he got busted for using military base child care centers to molest children. It's in "the New Satanists" by Linda Blood.

http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/satanism/tempset.html

[bobthedrummer]

50. Col. Michael Aquino and The Temple of Set links

Temple of Set
http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/satanism/tempset.html

http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id163/pg1/

"Apologetics" for claim of Nazi ideology in Temple of Set
http://www.necronomi.com/magic/satanism/fascist.set.txt

PSY-OPS: The "Temple of Set" and mob psychology
http://www.answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=205198

Michael Aquino and his wife, Lillith, were investigated but never arrested in The Presidio molestation case.

Moreover, Michael Aquino's name cropped up in The Franklin Credit case.

[kk897]

49. View with Mac OSX 10.3x?

Hi anyone who knows Macs -- I'm trying to watch the documentary, in wmv format, with my Mac. When I went to Andy's old thread, I noticed they were having the same trouble then, and someone mentioned trying to get the documentary into mpeg format or something viewable by Macs. Also, just downloaded and tried MPlayer, but still just getting the picture and no audio.

Anyone have any suggestions (other than getting a PC)?

[buddysmellgood]

56. I can't even get the thing to show up.

[davidwparker]

59. Do you have RealPlayer installed. The video on

one of the links showed RealPlayer. And, please, avoid the PC.

[kk897]

65. finally found the .rm format for real player

on the IndyMedia site story (linked above, I believe...somewhere...). I had to monkey around a bit with Real Player, but eventually got it going. Boy does it look and sound awful, but at least I got a notion of what it might have been. Liked the background Twin Peaks music (used without permission, I'll bet). Primarily the only speech I could make out was from the narrator and people who spoke to the documentary makers. Unfortunately, when they shifted to video footage from other sources, it was a complete blur and the speech was garbled. From what I could make out, it wasn't that much more revealing than the book, but, if I had been able to discern details like facial expressions on the witness' faces, I would have had a chance to evaluate for myself if I thought they were obviously liars, loons, or straight-up telling the truth. That alone would make it valuable watching.

Sigh. Anyone ever bought the video? Wonder if it's any better quality. Or a transcription? I started to transcribe it myself, but found that over half of it was too fuzzy.

[roguevalley]

60. I have heard this over and over. I hope its true. Would be incredible

if true and something that needs destruction. Frankly, after Armstrong, anything could be true.

[Minstrel Boy]

61. You hope it's true?

I believe it's true, but hope I'm crazy.

[rocktop15]

63. Stranger than fiction

Man, when you think you have heard it all something like this pops up. Damn fucking shame. Also, the Hersh stories make me want to punch my wall in frustration at the thought that there are people out there in the world like that.

[grasswire]

64. thanks for bringing this up again...

...there are plenty of Americans who have never heard the story.

[yodermon]

66. Read up on Psychohistory

(No, not Asimov's.)

http://www.psychohistory.com
http://www.geocities.com/kidhistory/

within the 2nd site:
http://www.geocities.com/kidhistory/incult.htm

[China_cat]

67. Isn't this the Moon owned newspaper?

[Minstrel Boy]

68. The reporter and editor met a lot of workplace intimidation

after the story broke. Files went missing, too.

[bobthedrummer]

69. Strong kick.

:dem::kick:

[knight_of_the_star]

70. Let's look at who is reporting this

And which paper this is. Do you REALLY think the Washington Times can back it up?

[Minstrel Boy]

71. There's much more to it than the Times headline. Like a $1 million

settlement won in 1999 by one of the former victimized kids against Lawrence King, the anthem-singing Republican pedophile ring master.

The Times front page is an eyegrabber, but there's more - like the documentary, the book and interviews - if you care to look. I wouldn't blame you if you don't. It's not a pleasant story.