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CaptainMidnight Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 07:27 PM
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Bush's failure in Iraq...OR IS IT REALLY?
Gang,

Kamiya (below commentary) lays it out quite well, here.


http://archive.salon.com/opinion/feature/2003/09/04/un/

These guys, Bush, Cheney, all the duplicitous neo-cons have failed in every aspects of their "policy" towards Iraq, Afghanistan, bin Laden, Hussein, foreign policy, and making this country despised the world over. Yes, it's quite a failure.

Or it is?

This is a wonderfully informative article, but as Captain Mike has been asserting all along, these guys' "incompetence" only manages to serve their ultimate goal, the larger view, the "big picture." My assertion is based upon what I believe is the true m.o. of the Bush Cartel. And a cartel is what they are.

If you look at the history of the Bush family, and even more particularly, at Junior's business history, the Bushes have a long history of fucking up. All three of Junior's companies have failed miserably, Arbusto, Harken, and Spectrum 7. But not without Bush turning a handsome profit. Bush cashed out quite nicely just before the companies tanked and the investors, employees, and stockholders were left holding the bag. This is a pattern with them, and they've continued their m.o. with the American Presidency.

It doesn't matter how much, how often, how badly, and in how many areas - the economy, foreign policy, domestic policy - Bush fucks up. As long as they profit handsomely, nothing else matters! As I've always maintained, The Bush Family is not a 'political' family, but rather a 'cartel,' or business machine. They are, quite literally, sharks. Like that description in JAWS, "the perfect eating machine." They are a money-making machine, no matter what the repercussions are to anyone else around them, whether they be stockholders at a failed oil-drilling company, or the entire economic bottom 99% of all Americans. Bush was installed in the White House by his daddies' friends on the Supreme Court, much like Daddy Bush installed him to run Harken Energy, KNOWING FULL WELL, that Junior would run the company into the ground, but not before sucking all the money he could out of it. And like sharks, they must keep moving, or die. The Bush Cartel must keep moving, keep sucking up money, no matter how much damage they do the US economy, the environment, the US taxpayer, social programs, national security, or the delicate global balance. They simply will not stop.

Thusly, we have Bush's strategy with Iraq. It WAS all about the oil. Not completely, entirely. But 90% of it was. Do your Captain Mike research into "Peak Oil." The world's dwindling petroleum and natural gas supplies are gonna start to bite us in the ass and never let up, starting with this very first decade of the new millennium. And it will never stop. It will only get worse. All the oil and natural gas that exist on the planet has already been discovered, and almost all of it has been tapped. The main goal of the Bush "Presidency" and the Invasion of Iraq was to take over the oil supplies, and to control the spigot. There's also the very real benefit of having the companies owned by Carlyle Group like United Defense, making millions and billions on weapons. (Daddy Bush works for Carlyle!)

Thusly, we had the 9-11 Hoax to fool the world and the US public that we needed to go into Afghanistan where a much-needed pipeline had to be built to suck up the last-discovered reserves in the Caspian Basin. Thusly we have the Phony "War on Terror," (see Meacher http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,1036588,00.html), and the completely bogus need to "protect" America by invading Iraq.

If you look at Bush's "failures" in both Afghanistan and Iraq - as both countries have been officially dubbed "quagmires" - just about everything has indeed GONE WRONG except for one tiny little matter...THE OIL PIPELINES! Afghanistan has been thrown back to the wolves, the Taliban is assuming power again, as the US troops have been concentrated on freshly-built bases that mirror the exact route of the natural gas pipelines. Iraq is heading by way of Afghanistan. Not because of the neo-cons' "arrogance," or their "lack of an exit strategy," because there simply isn't one. We're building permanent bases in the Middle East to stay! So what if it's become a new hotbed of terror. More Terror = good for Bush. IT keeps us all scared and distracted. That way no one is talking about the oil that both Cheney's company and the Bush Family company, The Carlyle Group have managed to secure for themselves. Who gives a shit that Iraqi's don't have electricity? Hell, who cares that our troops don't have adequate drinking water, supplies, or functioning weapons? We're dealing with the Bush Family Eating Machine. Bush cut veteran's benefits, and now he wants to cut federal worker overtime pay. There goes millions of potential votes for Bush in 2004

An act of Re-election suicide on Bush's part? Again, they don't give a shit! It's no way to run a company, is it? It certainly isn't any way to run America, or Iraq, or Afghanistan, is it? But Bush got away with running his companies the exact same way, and came up aces. The Bush Cartel got what it wanted, and when they get "kicked out" on 2004, it'll be all the sooner that Cheney can go back to heading up Halliburton and bringing home 36 million dollars a year. Bush & Co. wanted to get it all done in one term, before the American People fully caught on.

It you lift the veil of your assumptions that Bush as President wants to "do well," and "serve and protect the Constitution," and "bring honor and integrity" back to the White House, then it's possible to cut through all the bullshit about what you've been taught in school about government, and what all the cable news channels have been feeding you. Bush is NOT President for the betterment of America or the world. Bush is President to suck all the money they can out of the economy, to solidify their power with their corporate base, and to use The United States Troops as their own personal mercenaries to go around the world, taking over other countries, and seizing their oil supplies. Which The Bush Oil interests WILL CONTROL as the coming permanent oil crisis wreaks havoc upon the world.

Get over your "trained response" that Bush wants to be a "good President." He's been a shitty one, and it doesn't matter. They've looted the Treasury, trashed Social Security and most social programs, destroyed the environment, and grabbed the second-large reserves of oil on the planet, with our troops poised to take over the rest in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Columbia, and Venezuela.

Hell, just look at the US economy. We Americans automatically "think" that Bush is doing his best job, that he's trying to help create jobs. Did it ever occur to you that they're doing they're ruining the economy ON PURPOSE? Everything he's done, most notoriously by handing out trillions on tax breaks to the wealthy in an already crippled economy, has only made it worse. We still think that he's "screwing up," as opposed to screwing us royally. Come on! Do you think he do a better job of screwing it up if he actually "tried to?" (which he really is)

Bush's Presidency may be the "worst Presidency in US history," according to Nobel Laureates and Helen Thomas; his term may be labeled a "failure" by all future pundits and historians; indeed, Bush may leave the White House, as Gore Vidal says, "the most hated President ever," but do you really think The Bush Cartel really will fucking care? They'll be laughing all the way to the bank.

This "failure," while ruining the rest of the country and its citizenry, has uncannily managed to accomplish The Bush Cartel's wildest financial dreams. DO ANY OF YOU think that they care that you hate them?

Lift the veil of your assumptions about what you ASSUME the Presidency is SUPPOSED to do for the American people, and all of what I'm spelling out for you starts to make incredibly, perfect, nihilistic sense...

Captain Mike
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Unknown Known Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 07:55 PM
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1. This needs to be read by everyone
100% accurate analysis of the BFEE!!

They don't care about what you or I think of them or how they have trashed everything in sight. They create chaos in order to ROB!

Just like the burglar who creates a scene in the store to distract everyone's attention while his partner empties the cash register - the BFEE is doing the same thing only on a massive scale!!

I still believe that it was the BFEE that was behind the 9/11 put options.
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CaptainMidnight Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 09:07 PM
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3. yep, babe
gettin' warmer!

Captain Mike
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 07:58 PM
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2. "incredibly, perfect, nihilistic sense!"
Where's my beer? :beer: Ah, here it is. I need more to dull the pain...
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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 09:13 PM
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4. You have struck the spike upon its cranium. Well done and a
:kick:
Well done and true.
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CaptainMidnight Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 03:34 AM
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23. thanx, ks!
Hope others will chime in with some input and more insight.

Captain Mike
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 09:19 PM
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5. You mean people thought different?
You're right...it's always been about the pocketbook...and with a Bush, it always will be.

Said before the selection....Bush will bankrupt the country just to fill his pockets..and the pockets of his cronies....nothing else matters. America is just a means to an end for him...
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 09:21 PM
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6. Memorize these words
I plan to ...
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 09:29 PM
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7. yes, gas prices at an all time high before and after
and all because of "instability". The oil companies are making record profits right now. Before the war it was because of the "buildup" to the war, and now that the war's over, it's because of "instability".

They just keep raking it in. We keep driving.

We need to figure out a way to boycott them. That's the only thing that's gonna work.
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TennesseeWalker Donating Member (925 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 09:34 PM
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8. The Party's Over
I really believe you're right, Cap'n. I just finished reading "The Party's Over" by Richard Heinberg, concerning Peak Oil and the End of the Industrial Interval. All this fits neatly within the scenarios envisioned. War, much for the few, and "let them eat cake" for the rest of us.

This was planned from the get go, explaining WHY the election had to be stolen.

And I don't even want to say I told you so. I'm just absolutely horrified that the American People let them pull it off.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 09:37 PM
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9. Seize Their assets !
Traitors ! :grr:

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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 11:50 AM
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26. I have no doubt they will eventually be
relieved of their assets. The only remaining question is how much carnage goes down before that inevitability occurs.
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Paragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 09:40 PM
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10. The oil lines have been sabotaged and will continue to be
Which is why we need $87 million dollars to defend them.
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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 09:48 PM
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11. it FINALLY has now really hit me
and my blood temp has dropped about 10 degrees. they really DON'T care. they really don't NEED to care. ALL their ducks are lined up. no election, nothing short of what i can't print in cyberspace or even speak anymore thanks to pat. 1 and 2 can save us now. maybe i'll wake up with some hope tomorrow, but for tonite, we've got a nice sixpack of redstripe downstairs i'll be needing to warm up this ice in my veins.
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Paragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 09:51 PM
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12. Completely off-topic, but...
I *love* Red Stripe! My favorite beer, mon! :silly:
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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 09:53 PM
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13. iree mon.
me dh be jamaican, mon. he turned me onto it yes. you find it nice in the kroger, nice people they are. where you get yours mon?
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Paragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 09:55 PM
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14. LOL
Yah, Kroger mon. Betweenum de papah products and dah cat food.
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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 09:58 PM
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15. very good mon
you know it well. paragon, as in the band? i'm famous for being slow btw, haha
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CaptainMidnight Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 10:22 PM
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16. not meaning to be negative
I feel more as though it's enlightening.

I mean, most folks I know...smart, reasonable, well-meaning and highly-educated people, they just dont' get it. They can't wrap their minds around how much the world has changed in the past two years, how warped and psycho our leaders are.

If you apply just a simple shift in perception in how you regard these people - what I consider a shift on over to a truthful P.O.V. - it doesn't take gobs of time or logical "reaching," you can finally start finding out the truth.

This is meant to stir one to action. If you don't take action, you are doing nothing...

Then all is lost

Captain Mike
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 10:29 PM
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17. I had been wondering why they were in such a god awlful hurry
Your post deffinately spains a lot of the reason for the hurry .
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 11:15 PM
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18. A must read
kick

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Castilleja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 11:23 PM
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19. Capt., that's a clear eyed view of the situation
I think. Not necessarily something people would have seen immediately, but after this length of time, and the record built up by BushCo, it does seem to be sitting out there for all to see. Like in the movie Independence Day, where the aliens are determined to be like locusts; using up and destroying all resources in a place and then moving on to the next. Only with the money making drive added in.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 11:43 PM
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20. I KNew that... these monster don give a rats ass about anyone but themselv
es.

It seems they got the perfect puppet to carry the name of failure. Bush don't even know he being used. It is HE THAT will carry the stigma of a major fuck up and into the history books. The Pub Masters will all fade away to their castles in the Rockies like Ken Lay.

Bush will go down in history an evil loser.

Sewers and toilets will named after BUSH.

"Hey, honey, Home Depot has a sale on Bushes. Look, with wooden seats too!"

"Don't you Bush me!! Home Depot has more class than to carry a low end toilet like a BUSH,"
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 11:55 PM
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21. I think I worked for some corporations that operated the same way.
mismanage while their pie gets higher

must be a good ol'boy thing

but, it's destroying the dickens out of our country
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 03:28 PM
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33. Al Dunlap Anyone?
He ruined a half dozen firms but walked away with hundreds of millions in compensation for his "good" work.
The Professor
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Jim Warren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 12:59 AM
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22. I'll see your bet and raise ya 87 billion...........
Let's see......the American taxpayers are called on to finance the BFEE crusade to steal the goods so they can be sold back to those same taxpayers........ and wtf....at gouging prices.

Beautiful!

I can see poppy doing the pantomine now: making a hook gesture with one finger and putting it in his mouth and then doing a slow reeling-in motion with his hands.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 11:37 AM
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24. the question is
Now what are we going to do about it?
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 11:45 AM
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25. Well I just called my policy makers
about it . :hi: I shall write a LTTE
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knowledgeispower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 04:16 PM
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40. But what to do???
I really do believe all this stuff. Frankly, I wonder sometimes if I am a nutcase because I do believe it, but it is the only thing that really fits with all that is going on in the U.S. and the world today.

But here is the problem: I can't share this with anyone. Ok, there are some people who would listen, but 99.5% of the general public would probably just look at me like I was a total fucking loon if I trade to explain this stuff to them.

So what do I do? I feel like I am going to end up being one of those homeless guys on the street with a big fucking sign that says "The End is Near." Only it won't be religious or anything, just an "FYI" for sheeple as they pass by in their cars.
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CaptainMidnight Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 04:53 PM
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46. babe,
You KNOW what to do.

Keep talking about this, spreading this around. It'll get the message out!

Start with your close friends. Talk to them. Take time to explain things and back them up with links and evidence. They'll tell their friends.

All you need to start with is ONE other person to tell this too. And then, it'll happen...

You'll be at a party, a cookout, bar, whatever. You will probably, like I do, after a drink or two, loosen your own boundaries about what you consider to be "impolite" conversation at a party, and you'll bring up this "conspiracy crap."

The time for politeness is OVER!

The stranger, or nodding acquaintance that you've brought this up with will be like, "no way," "stop," and do that hand-waving gesture in front of him, either with both hands or one hand, depending on whether it's holding a beer or a soggy paper plate with a hotdog on it. Either way, the gesture always reminds me of Pilate washing his hands.

Then, it'll happen...

That buddy of yours that you actually took the time to patiently explain this all to a few weeks back, that friend of yours who bothered to look over your shoulder as you rushed over to your computer as you utilized both your friend and mine, GOOGLE, and SHOWED the PROOF of what you were ranting about...

That buddy of yours, after hearing the heated exchange between you and this newfound-yet-unwilling-apostate, will suddenly appear at your side, look this non-believer in they eye and say,

"dude, check it out. It's true. I didn't wanna believe it at first. I thought my buddy'd gone off the deep end, but then I went home and looked it all up, and it's friggin' scary, but it' friggin' true."

Ta-dah!

It's such a simple thing, and it works! The dude might even still be like, "well...I dunno, it just sounds so crazy." But the bug will be firmly planted. He will at least start to LISTEN. Even if for only another minute or tow, he'll be hooked. It's amazing how simple. All you needed was one other person to back you up.

If I were a duplicitous chap, it's sorta like teaming up with a "plant" at your sidewalk 3-card Monte sceme, who pretends to win in order to draw others over. It works! Except, YOU are for REAL.

You have the TRUTH on your side!

Don't despair! Now get out there and tell ONE other person about all this...

"Few will have the greatness to bend history; but each of us can work to change a small portion of events, and in the total of all those acts will be written the history of this generation... It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is thus shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance."

RFK - Day of Affirmation Address, University of Capetown, South Africa, June 6, 1966


Captain Mike
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SpaceCatMeetsMars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 12:19 PM
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27. Read the book - "Made in Texas" by Michael Lind, about Bush
Edited on Mon Sep-08-03 12:26 PM by CalamityJane
He draws interesting historical parallels about the "banana republic"-type politics of the Bush family and how it all goes back to the exploitation ethics of plantations and oil. They are the opposite of most of us who are bourgeoisie-type believers in working and producing something. They are all about taking and exploiting the resources, the resources including cheap labor, oil, water, government contracts, benefits from deregulation, and now, the government's money. It's our money, of course, but I guess they must figure, "Hey, why should it go for roads and schools and social security, when it could go into the pockets of the top 1% And then we can privatize everything and still make money on it!"

Don't forget the whole Savings and Loan scandal, either. Aren't we all still paying for that one? They are the biggest bunch of lazy-ass parasites - all they ever do is steal other people's hard-earned money and then parade around like Jesus himself has annointed them the Rulers of America.
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CaptainMidnight Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 03:21 PM
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32. Damn, Jane!
Coulnda said it better.

That's really the gist of it. I mean, these are the bloodsuckers that Americans have made their President; or at least enuf Americans to make the election close enug to steal!

The Bush Cartel has never been about governance, but about exploiting. Go back and look thru their family history. They, quite literally, have NEVER made an honest buck!

Which should let us now see how warped our country has become, and how we must get the word out!

Captain Mike
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 01:13 PM
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28. Bingo
I have for years pondered the question: Is it incompetence and ignorance -- or is everything going exactly according to plan?

It's probably a combination of the two: a mixture of ignorant religiously insane ideologues with narcissistic disorders, with utterly cynical opportunists.

You've outlined it very well: things may go bad for the USA, or Iraq, or the economy, or the planet -- but no matter WHAT happens, the Bush Crime Family have already pocketed the cash. smirky and Dick aren't troubled by how they are going to be perceived by history -- they probably think such a notion is sissified and girlish! -- they were just after the cash and the power. No matter how disastrous things become, they are untroubled, and will never suffer the consequences of their actions.

From Day One they sought secrecy -- to bury their documents, and the documents of presidents since Reagan, and stack the courts -- so they can never be made accountable, or receive the judgement they deserve. They have won. We have lost.

Inevitably -- they will only retire from performing on the public stage, to further machinations offstage, collecting mind-boggling sums of money from the "investments" they made while they were in office. It is you and I AND our children and our nation which will be impoverished, exhausted, and suffering the consequences of this chimperial era for many years to come.

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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 01:46 PM
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29. A flaw in the argument
The world's dwindling petroleum and natural gas supplies are gonna start to bite us in the ass and never let up, starting with this very first decade of the new millennium.

Unfortunately for this theory, the world's supplies of petroleum and natural gas supplies are not dwindling. In fact, in the thirty years since people first started predicting the "dwindling supplies", proven reserves of oil and gas have increased, not decreased.
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CaptainMidnight Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 03:22 PM
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37. are you for real?
Nederland,

Have you spent ANY time researching Peak Oil?

Your answer sounds just like the perfect little false zinger that Tucker would get in there just before the bell rang.

You really need to get your facts straight!

So, in those thirty years, nature has somehow defied biology, physics, organic chemistry, and the Star Trek Prime Directive, and managed to generate more oil in 30 years that normally would take millions of years to naturally create?

Captain Mike
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 04:48 PM
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44. Response
The key here is the phrase "proven reserves". The truth about oil is that nobody knows how much oil is underneath the ground, all we know is how much has already been discovered. When an oil field is discovered, its size is estimated and that number is added to total "proven reserves". What has happened is that in the last thirty years we've discovered a lot more oil, hence the "proven reserve" number has increased.

The proven reserve number also explains why people have been saying that the world will run out of oil in thirty years for about fifty years now. These people simply take the proven reserve number and divide by the current consumption rate. Its a dumb method with a proven track record of failure because it assumes that we've discovered all the oil we will ever discover.
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ignatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 02:00 PM
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30. Boy, I agree 1000%. After 9-11 he had the entire
world(with the exception of a few) eating from his hands. By jamming an agenda that had obviously been in the works for years down our and our allies throats he and his cabal managed to piss off most of the world.

He is a moron, but his handlers aren't. They don't give a damn about the consequences because they are able to ream the treasury and the American people for billions of dollars while scaring the shit out of them.

Every f*&king penny spent by the DOD needs to be made public. As Poppy Bush's daddy said if you supply both sides of a war you will always make money.

Profiteering is illiegal but Ashcroft is too busy looking for them "nekked" statues to notice.
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knowledgeispower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 04:23 PM
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41. This is why 9/11 HAD to be an inside job
Bush couldn't have done any of this without 9/11. No Patriot Act, no attacking Afghanistan, and most certainly no occupation of Iraq. But all three are vital to his sinister plans. So either SOMEBODY (Bush admin, BFEE, whatever the hell you want to call it) was directly involved in 9/11 or Bush and his buddies, reaping enormous gains from 9/11, are the luckiest bastards on the face of the Earth. Logic just tells me the former is far more likely than the latter.
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 02:55 PM
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31. This is one great read
I'd love to condense it down to a LTTE!!!!
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CaptainMidnight Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 01:52 AM
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34. sorry
What is an LTTE?

Captain Mike
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 04:51 AM
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35. Letter to the Editor
.
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knowledgeispower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 04:26 PM
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42. Ha! No paper would print it, and even if they did...
You would become the official loon of your town/city. It all makes perfect sense when you are following what is going on and thinking critically about it, but 99% of the American public does neither.
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 05:06 AM
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36. Excellent post!
Edited on Tue Sep-09-03 05:07 AM by DemEx_pat
It rings so true to all my instincts about this group of men - even though I have tried hard to see them differently.

I think that I am even starting to convince my more conservative hubby that this is what is happening now....

I'll be sure to have him read this and I'll send it on to others..

Thanks for putting it all down so clearly, Captain Mike.

A MUST READ!

:kick:

DemEx
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 03:30 PM
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38. They WANT to EXPAND the MILITARY
so it makes sense to screw everything up and ask for more money, troops, etc.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 04:31 PM
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43. And CUT their pay.
Was sonst? :shrug:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 03:44 PM
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39. Well done, Cap'n. I couldn't agree more.
They are also destroying the US military so the US is left to depend on the private army they have set up - DynCorp.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 04:50 PM
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45. The single purpose of the Iraq war
is to bankrupt America so it can't fund social programs.

It's a freeper wet dream.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 06:25 PM
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47. "the 9-11 Hoax"
However valid the other points may be, it is idiotic to call 9/11 a hoax. To do so is an incredibly insensitive slap in the face of the survivors.
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CaptainMidnight Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 06:42 PM
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48. "insensitive" hoax?
So,

I'm guessing you actually believe the Bush Cabal's Brother's Grimm fairtale of "Osama bin Laden & the Three Bears Armed with Boxcutters Taking Over Four Commercial Airliners??"

Captain Mike
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 07:07 PM
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49. Think Again
You didn't describe the explaination as a hoax, you called 9.11 a hoax. If you'd care to restate your meaning in a manner that is respectful of those who died and survived and who know too painfully well that the deaths on that day were no hoax, you have an opportunity.
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