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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 01:06 PM
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New torture pics found (**slight **WARNING)


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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 01:08 PM
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1. Hummm.. interesting very interesting...........n/t
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MadAsHellNewYorker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 01:08 PM
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2. OH THE HORROR
thats just AWFUL
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 01:08 PM
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3. OMG...THEY'RE ALMOST NAKED!!!!!!
:eyes:
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 01:08 PM
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4. They're just blowing off steam.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 01:08 PM
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5. Yes. Torture.
As I remember it, talking to the average cheerleader was just that.

Dyooooop.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 01:12 PM
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8. Is the avatar a photo of your bird? I'm assuming the bird is a cockatoo?
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 10:32 PM
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20. Nooooo
vosMaeri Eclectus. Female. Affectionate like a dog. Or worse. ;-)
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 10:56 PM
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22. Sorry! They are beautiful birds. I like parrots very much and
am thinking of getting a baby Amazon parrot.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 11:01 PM
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23. Look into the Eclectus.
Amazons, in my experience(and I have more than a bit), can get really mean. Deep wound, broken bones mean. On the other hand, a well-raised Eclectus can be a joy and stay a joy, IF you do not allow it to bond with its opposite sex.

Once any bird forms a mating bond, they do not make good pets at all.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 11:27 PM
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26. Hey now...I LOVE Amazons!!!!!!!!


Gabby is 17 and my best buddy. I've had him since he was a baby. I have to be a little careful during the spring / summer when other people are around. That's Amazon breeding season. But he very rarely bites.

Amazons get a bad rap, in my opinion.

Read Mattie Sue Athan's book, Guide to a Well-Behaved Parrot before you acquire any hookbill. Talk to breeders. What may be the best parrot for me (Amazons) or Tandalayo (eclectus) may not be the best parrot for you.

Consider adopting a parrot, first: The Gabriel Foundation. This place is in Colorado, but there are other adoption agencies.
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What Is This Crap Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 01:09 PM
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6. lol internet
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 01:11 PM
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7. Just some good clean fun
like a frat prank, or something - so, Limbaugh, what frat did you belong to????
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 01:15 PM
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9. It ain't cheerleadin' if they ain't smeared in feces and nekkid.
Wasn't that what the lawyer meant?

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 01:18 PM
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10. Womack explains himself to Paula Zahn
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0501/10/pzn.01.html

Welcome back, Mr. Womack.

I wanted to start tonight with this picture. It is the picture that you no doubt know quite well of the naked detainees piled on a pyramid with your client smiling and giving the thumbs up sign.

And you said, "Don't cheerleaders all over America form pyramids six to eight times a year? Is that torture?"

How do you compare this to cheerleading?

WOMACK: Well, what we're comparing is not whether they're naked, whether they're wearing sand bags on their heads. I'm sure the cheerleaders don't do that. But, rather, the physical act of being piled up in a pyramid. It's a gymnastic formation. Only the body weight of the individual persons are on any other person. It doesn't hurt them.

The testimony of the witness that testified about that today was that there was no crying. They were merely piled up. And we're having an expert witness testify that that is a valid control measure. It's a tactic that you would use when you were outnumbered by possible assailants.

These were violent individuals who had just led a riot in the prison yard. They were piled up in a pyramid so that, if one tried to move, the others would fall down, and it would give the MPs at least a few seconds to react to the movement.

ZAHN: So you didn't have any problems with someone ordering the prisoners to do just that?

WOMACK: To pile up in a pyramid? Of course not.

ZAHN: Let's... WOMACK: It was much better than strapping them by the neck or other techniques that could have been used. They were merely piled up in a pyramid.

Now what is offensive to all of us is that they were naked. But they were naked because they were just being processed. They had just come from a riot outside the prison wall. They were being in process. They had to be stripped.

They were wearing sand bags on their heads because that's what you do with enemy prisoners so that they cannot see that they outnumber you, that they cannot see exactly where friendly forces are standing, they can't see what avenues of egress they could use for escape. It's very important that you isolate them visually so that they can't escape or fight.

ZAHN: The accusation is that the soldiers should have been aware of the fact that nudity is extremely an humiliating thing to Muslim men.

But I want to move on to another photo today that you also have described, and this is the one of Private Lynndie England leading a prison on a leash, and you have said, "A tether is a valid tool. You're probably been at a mall or airport and seen children on tethers. They're not being abused."

These detainees were in a prison. Why did you need a tether for them?

WOMACK: Well, again, we're going to have more testimony on that. We had testimony today about that. A tether is a device that you use when you need to extract a prisoner from a cell.

If you heard the testimony in court today, you would have learned that that particular prisoner was not dragged out of the cell. He crawled out of the cell while a female was holding the tether. It's believed that the fact that a female was holding the tether averted the violence. The fact that the man was humiliated to be naked in front of an American woman perhaps kept him from fighting.

It's well known psychologically that, in this country, prisoners who are stripped of their clothing become more complacent, they're less likely to fight or try to run because they have no clothes.

ZAHN: I need a brief answer to my final question. How damaging was it to your client today that you had two soldiers accusing your client of beating up prisoners, in one case knocking a man out cold?

WOMACK: Wasn't damaging. That private who testified to that, Frederick, told the court that he'd hit a man in the chest so hard that he said he caused cardiac arrest.

That same witness said that he set up all of the sex scenes, masturbations, the simulated fellatio. That same witness did all of those things himself. He is the one who said that he had received orders from military intelligence and civilian contract intelligence, had passed the orders to Specialist Graner and others. He had also passed along the praise for the good job they were doing and the effect it was having in helping in these interrogations.

ZAHN: So you don't think it hurts your client at all? Well, it will be interesting to...

WOMACK: No.

ZAHN: ... watch you go through this process. Guy Womack, thanks for your time tonight.

WOMACK: You're welcome. Thank you.

ZAHN: A pleasure.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 01:26 PM
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14. oh yeah, the tether is also necessary when they're smeared in feces.
What a shameless piece o' feces Herr Womack is.
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Alisa Donating Member (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 01:31 PM
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16. With this logic it makes one wonder if there is any such thing as rape
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 01:47 PM
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18. Womack basically is taking RW talking points into a court of law
See how they don't stand up too well when exposed to light.
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alexisfree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 01:03 PM
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29. kick
kick
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 01:20 PM
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11. Why settle for pics when you can watch the vids?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 01:21 PM
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12. ...and the first place winner is from Iraq

The naked man covered in a "brown substance" walks a straight line with his ankles handcuffed.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 01:24 PM
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13. Wow what a dismount!
:eyes:
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 11:06 PM
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24. us republicans don't see no difference
:)

(man, did i ever hesitate to click "Post message", i'm such a whimp)
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 01:28 PM
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15. And some of them might be minors!
Oh, the horror!
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Ruffhowse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 01:42 PM
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17. Forcing someone to dress as a cheerleader is definitely against the Geneva
Convention rules. This horror must stop.
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 01:48 PM
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19. Nothing worse than breaking into a sweat
in 100% wool :(
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 10:38 PM
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21. LOL !
I read this post earlier but didn't click on it because of your graphic warning. I finally got the nerve to click on it. Now you know why I'm laughing. You so crazy!:-)
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 11:14 PM
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25. Oh my Howard, look at that poor girl's back. Did you get gum with these?
I'll trade you the hooded guy with the wires for the busty brunette with pasties.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 11:35 PM
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27. The agony. The agony! As a gay man, I AM being tortured!
:hurts:
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alexisfree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 12:17 AM
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28. Pervs....You guys are bad
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DownNotOut Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-05 01:04 PM
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30. Excuse me for a moment
I need some personal time in the bathroom.


DownNotOut
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