Were the ENRON guys driving the sub that crashed?

[elehhhhna]

I believe they were joyriding when we took out all those Japanese students.

[dweller]

1. hello...

what brings you to this conclusion?

i have been looking for details about it for some time now to follow up on more intrique.

pm if you feel like it.
dp

[slutticus]

2. I remember some Cullens from Houston were on it.

They donated to shrub, then got to ride on the sub.

Then they killed some japanese. All in a day's work

[Ezlivin]

3. Worse than that - they got to DRIVE the sub!

Unbelievable, but true. They told the helmsman or the planeman to move over and let one of the civilians sit at the controls. They surfaced too quickly, broached the surface at an acute angle and slammed back into the water. Unfortunately they surfaced under a fishing boat.

We had civilians aboard my sub a few times, but they were never allowed at any controls (or even into upper level ops, IIRC). We didn't trust any civilian with "our" boat.

[Bunny]

4. Photos of the major players, and a couple of ineresting articles:

http://www.corlessproductions.com/ehime_maru.htm


http://www.antiwar.com/rep/jared5.html
<snip>
One Possible Scenario
There were 16 guests on board the Greeneville that day. These were VIPS – company execs and their wives. The trip had been arranged by one Richard Macke, former Commander of the Pacific Fleet. Macke was forced to resign his post following public outcry over an amazing remark he made when three US troops rented a car and kidnapped and raped a 12 year old Okinawan girl.

The VIPs he invited for a joy ride on the Greeneville were executives who had made contributions to a fund to fix up the US Missouri, the ship on which Japan surrendered in World War II.

Let's try and imagine the scene. Here are important bigwigs the Captain is trying to impress. The Captain spots this boat. He decides to show what a sub can really do (even let a couple of the guests "drive").

He decides: Why not get real close to that ship and then perform a rapid ascent maybe 100 yards away? Break out of the water. Make a real show.

And then he miscalculated.
<snip>



http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/Greeneville.htm
February 16, 2001

Hawaii Couple Won't Talk Until Probes Over

Honolulu Star-Bulletin
<snip>
Susan and Mickey Nolan were on the USS Greeneville - Susan Nolan, a citizen aboard ... said she and her husband, Mickey, will comment publicly about the voyage after the Navy and a federal team have completed their investigations. . . .

Two of the 16 civilians on board the Greeneville spoke out for the first time yesterday on NBC's Today Show and in an interview with the Houston Chronicle.

John Hall, 52, a polo pony rancher and independent energy contractor, told the Houston Chronicle the crew of the USS Greeneville closely monitored Japanese citizens as they waited for help in lifeboats.

But choppy waters up to 8 feet kept the crew from opening the hatch and providing assistance, said Hall. "The families in Japan believe that not a lot was being done for these victims in the lifeboats and for the victims who were lost," Hall said. . . .

Hall and his wife, Leigh Ann Hall, were among the civilians who were aboard the Greeneville last Friday. Hall had been trying since last March to get a ride on the Greeneville. The Vietnam War veteran said he was ecstatic when he learned in October that his request had been accepted.

But the "opportunity of a lifetime" turned into an international incident. . . .
<snip>

[elehhhhna]

5. I'm wrong about Enron but the guest list is floating in TX oil

JAY BREHMER
OVERLAND PARK, KANSAS

CAROL BREHMER
OVERLAND PARK, KANSAS

JACK CLARY
STOW, MA

PAT CLARY
STOW, MA

HELEN CULLEN
HOUSTON, TEXAS

JOHN M. HALL
SEALY, TEXAS

LEIGH ANNE SCHNELL HALL
SEALY, TEXAS

MIKE MITCHELL
IRVING, TEXAS

MICKEY NOLAN
HONOLULU, HI

SUSAN NOLAN
HONOLULU, HI

ANTHONY SCHNUR
THE WOODLANDS, TEXAS

SUSAN SCHNUR
THE WOODLANDS, TEXAS

TODD THOMAN
HOUSTON, TEXAS

DEANDA THOMAN
HOUSTON, TEXAS

KEN WYATT
GOLDEN, COLORADO

CATHERINE GRAHAM WYATT
GOLDEN, COLORADO