Prediction: "We sacrifice for Iraqis" turns to "F*em" in three weeks

[Inland]

The only remaining Bush justification for the Iraq war--that we are engaged in a totally selfless sacrifice for Iraqis and democracy--is worth about two cents with your average American.

The Bush stance declaring we are sacrificing our lives and money for Iraqis is inconsistent with the more prevalent American attitude, born of the Bushite confusion of Iraq with 9/11, that Iraq is a den of terrorists and therefore destroying a few cities in the manner we destroyed Fallujah is what is needed for security and, more importantly, for revenge and sending a message to the Muslim world that we don't mind killing civilians and laying waste in ME. The Bushites all thought the sacrifice line was a lie told to the world in order to justify continued fighting with an enemy. Like all Bush supporters, the pro war crowd knew Bush was lying, but for the sake of war. But since we aren't winning, even the Bushites want out now.

Expect the US to declare victory after the election, to announce democracy and stability firmly in place, and to bug out as quickly as possible. Then when Iraq falls on its face, well, Bush did everything right and handed Iraqis democracy on a platter, and Iraqis screwed it up, and it is their fault, so f*em.

The Bush oft repeated linestatement that the road to peace and stability in the ME is through a democratic Iraq will simply disappear from Bush speeches and policy statements. The war will be a noble attempt--well, if you want to know what the Bushites will say about Iraq, look up what they say about Vietnam. Those veterans who try to tell the truth will be branded antiAmerican. The failure will be blamed on you and me and France, because of our opposition to the war, Bush couldn't do everything he wanted. We know the drill.

You must pay me one dollar if this prediction comes true.

[shoelace414]

1. "We can't cut and run"

but we will before the end of the year.

[Inland]

3. See, I think the "election" is when we declare victory

and everything that happens after that is the fault of the independent, sovereign Iraqi government.

There isn't going to be another event that allows us to declare victory.

[progressiveBadger]

10. I'm hoping this election will be covered by the MSM

And when voter turnout hovers around %10-15, the world will see that even that excuse is a sham. I'm hoping...

[Virginian]

5. We'll do just that and call it "victory."

It isn't about what is true, it is all about how it is spun.

[RobertSeattle]

8. Just change the definition of cut and run and Bush has his out

These jokes changed the definition of torture, "cutting and running" will be easy for them, and the RW pundits will just chime right in.

[fertilizeonarbusto]

2. Very shrewd post

Unfortunately, the hornets' nest we'll be leaving in Iraq will destabilize the whole region.

[underpants]

4. W et al are sounding like a bunch of hippies now aren't they?

Hey man let's bring them peace and love and liberty okay man?

Very good post Inland. Bookmarking.

[susu369]

26. Sounding like characters out of Duck Soup

Chico - "It's all your fault. Now we gotta steal the plans
again -- You had 'em on you..... you take a bath.... and
now we no gotta plans of war."

:-)

[RobertSeattle]

6. Not a bad prediction

And look at all the great prediction from the BushAdmin

1. We'll be greeted as liberators. (not)
2. The dead-enders will quit a few weeks after Baghdad falls. (not)
3 Disbanding the Iraqi Military will prevent an uprising.
4. The insurgency will end once Saddam is caught (not)
5. The insurgency will end now that Iraq has an interim government (not)
7. The insurgency will end once the elections occur Jan 30th. (...)

[tridim]

7. Depends on the definition of "Iraqi"

Is an insurgent an Iraqi? Are "The terrorists and Saddam loyalists" Iraqi? Are the 100,000 civilians Bush killed Iraqi? According to BushCo they're not even human, let alone Iraqi citizens. We've been saying "f*ck them" for years.

[GreenPoet64]

9. Admitting "No WMD's" means * is preparing to cut and run . . .

Remember many RW's still think we just haven't located those missing WMD's and that we can't pull out of Iraq until we do. Hmmmmm.

[trogdor]

11. "We sacrifice for Iraqis" was astroturf.

...with which FReepers were supposed to challenge liberals and other assorted anti-war people and keep them quiet. Once the Free Republic chorus gets orders to stop chanting this chorus, we will be suddenly more comfortable with "cut and run."

[Inland]

14. Yes, it was the one excuse for war that liberals would consider

even though most of the pro war crowd thought it was bullshit made to sell the war. But even the pro war crowd isn't interested in selling it anymore. Time to declare democracy and get out.

[moodforaday]

12. It's F*ck 'em already, has been from day one

The Guardian is running a bloodcurdling story by an Iraqi doctor who visited Falluja briefly after the assault subsided.

Here's a choice bit:

Fallujans are suspicious of outsiders, so I found it surprising when Nihida Kadhim, a housewife, beckoned me into her home. She had just arrived back in the city to check out her house; the government had told the people three days earlier that they should start going home. She called me into her living room. On her mirror she pointed to a message that had been written in her lipstick. She couldn't read English. It said: "Fuck Iraq and every Iraqi in it!"

"They are insulting me, aren't they?" she asked.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1387460,00.html

[Inland]

13. That wasn't the Bush excuse

The Bush justification was that we had to save Iraqis, do it for them. It isn't consistent with the warmongers desire to just kill a bunch of somebody over there. And that sort of self sacrifice goes over like a lead balloon, and I think the Bush supporters just considered it a lie for cover for a punitive occupation.

Now that the occupation is a failure, even the Bush supporters who wanted a punitive war want out.

With the election, Bush will declare Iraq free, democratic and victorious, and then bug out.

[femme.democratique]

15. This is the one reason why we WONT cut and run

Oil, pure and simple. We don't yet have supreme control of their oil reserves. All other reasons are secondary.

[Inland]

16. But we can't control the oil. We may have wanted to, but we can't.

That much is clear. Turns out it is easier to stop it from flowing than steal it.

So the people who saw an opportunity to at least have the oil pay for the war have lost interest. They too are ready to bug out the second Bush declares victory.

[femme.democratique]

18. I doubt it is that simple...

...given that the real motive for this war was economic, ie Bush/Cheney wanted to make money for Halliburton, etc, using the military as their means to do so. I think the morons in charge will extend the bulk of the deployment until their opportunity for $$$ dries up. Oh, sure, you'll see alot of to-do about decreasing troop levels at a very superficial level, but we'll continue to maintain a strong military presence there for years to come to protect American economic interests.

[Inland]

25. I think that the moment has come....

Fact is, if Bush doesn't declare victory at elections at the end of the month, when? Even the neocons have no taste for Iraq status quo, and nobody thinks things are going to improve mightily for years and years.

I suppose Bush could stay for a year, or two, or three, but if he does, and things aren't any better, then how does he bring our guys home? EG, he says in February, "Too much violence, must stay." Then next February, same level of violence. What then?

Fact is, Bush doesn't give a crap about Iraq and isn't interested in what happens, as long as he isn't blamed. Halliburton has had a good run, and Bush will have another boondoggle for them soon. The people that will continue to suffer is the Iraqis.

[flobee1kenobi]

17. We don't yet have supreme control of their oil reserves

At the rate the pipelines are being sabotaged-we never will.
the pipelines will continue to explode until * gets bored and leaves.
The Iraqi people are sucessfully destroying the pipelines to save them, and bushco knows this.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

29. All your oil are belong to U.S. All your choice contracts are belong to

U.S. All your important decisions are belong to U.S. As per Paul Bremer, head dictator and chief bottle washer.

www.haarp.com

[Stirk]

19. Our military isn't leaving Iraq anytime soon.

The fake elections this month are just window dressing and PR. I'm sure the neocons would love to pass the "peace keeping" duties over to the Iraqi puppet government, but they can't handle it.

Our glorious leaders went into Iraq to get a strategic foothold in the region and to gain control of Iraq's oil. They've got it. They aren't going to let go of it now.

[Rockerdem]

21. Youve got it right -- they are going to kick Sunni ass but baaaaad

Youre 100% right about the real reasons for going to Iraq, not the stated window dressing. They are going to rationalize Sunni violence after the election as ingratitude, and beat the hell out of them. They will have help from the Shiites (& maybe the Kurds). And militarily its doable -- the Sunnis are both hapless and helpless. Look for a lot of citations of Lincoln and Truman to justify ruthlessness.

[catmandu57]

20. We won't be going anywhere

we've hit the tarbaby, and like it or not as long as the neoconvicts and endtimers control things we're fucking stuck.
Of course these election are nothing but a fraud and a farce, pr for the amerikan people, a feeble attempt at fooling bubba, but the veil is slowly falling away.
Support for these idiots will melt, like ice cream in the August sun, and we'll reclaim our country.

Even if there is a draw down, that's an open invitation for the terror to come home. We've fucked their world up good, these people want to kill amerikans, leaving a token force there is a suicide mission.

[lectrobyte]

22. We'll cut & run, but we'll keep our 14 bases

[Inland]

24. Yeah, maybe. I guess that we are going to have to be sufficiently

engaged so that Bush can't be blamed when Iraq fails, but that might include hiding within bases out in the desert.

[diamond14]

23. America will leave Iraq PROUDLY, just like we left Vietnam (PHOTOS)

"APRIL 1975....America PROUDLY leaves Vietnam"....after winning their hearts and minds...with the biggest and the best military weapons in the world, full attacks with chemical, biological, and aerial bombardment, napalm, agent orange, and more....in the end, it was total defeat by a third-world country that had no air force or navy...beat by 'low-tech' weapons....












North Vietnamese troops run across the tarmac of Tan Son Nhat air base in Saigon as smoke billows behind abandoned U.S. Air Force transport planes on April 30, 1975.

Sad...America ran SO FAST...we abandoned even our Air Force planes...

[Inland]

27. I have a client who was there in Saigon,

says he is in one of the famous photos, cause he recognized himself by the Navy dungarees he was wearing (he was Navy acting as a Marine Corpsman, the only one in Navy dungarees that day). He said his Mom knew he was there, told him on the phone when he got to the Phillipines that she was so proud of him helping those poor Vietnamese escape. He said he never had the courage to tell her that his biggest concern was the small arms fire he could hear, and that he was working to keep the crowds between himself and the battle in order to catch any stray bullets.

[David Zephyr]

28. Of course I agree with you.

I've said the same thing. Bush is scrambling for an excuse to get us out and that's the reason we now see Snowcroft and Baker running the idea of exiting quickly up the flag to prepare the public for Bush's cutting and running and leaving a civil war behind.

How funny that Bush will wind up doing exactly what Dennis Kucinich was advocating, huh? The only difference is that Kucinich would correctly call it a defeat while Bush will declare "victory".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2948396

[Inland]

32. That's right--the difference is that Bush has to end it with a lie

in order to save his ass.

And of course, while telling the truth might win respect and some acknowledgement that we aren't all idiots and insane, Bush has to go the other way, therefby implicitly informing the world that not only is the US satisfied with sort-of election in lieu of democracy and a low level civil war in lieu of peace, but heck, we would do it again in a heartbeat in any other country you want to name. No regrets. Except some undiplomatic language.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

30. It's because Amurkans ate too many French fries.... it gave solace to

the enemy and their supporters. This whole frigging nightmare is such a crock of sh*t and we all knew it was going to be one over two freaking years ago. What do we get... there must be a prize for the people who are miles smarter than the pResident.

[alexisfree]

31. Bring them on huh bush??? hahahahahah you sicko