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doodadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 11:31 AM
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Not One Damn Dime Day
Someone may have already posted this, but check out:
http://www.black-thursday.com

It is a united effort to protest the inaugural with our money. So gas up your car on Wed., wait to buy groceries on Fri. Send a message--we will not spend a dime on your coronation day!
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Green Thumb Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 11:36 AM
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1. Just a thought
Edited on Fri Jan-14-05 11:38 AM by Green Thumb
but doesn't this hurt people that might not neccessarily have voted for Bush and in the process, hurt our progressive cause?
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silverlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 11:49 AM
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2. I don't think this will "hurt" anybody...
People will spend prior to the date and after the date, which will make up for anything "lost" on the 20th. I do, however, think it could send a powerful message if any people participate.
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Green Thumb Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 11:51 AM
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4. If
it will be made up the day after and the day before, then what is the point? The money still goes into the economy. Retail sales is accustomed to slow days.
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 12:00 PM
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6. we won't be buying anything for the entire week of the coronation
and i will have a severe case of "Blue Flu" from Wednesday thru Friday.

I have been buying a little extra here and there at the grocery for weeks so will not need to "buy a lot" either before or after the coronation.

whether it matters or not, I am not buying a DemDamnthing for the entire week of the coronation.

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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 11:59 AM
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5. That's exact my thought, Silverlib.
I just want to send a message, and I think that this will be effective. My wish is that, on the 19th, we take a tally, via a thread, of how many plan to participate.
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Green Thumb Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 12:02 PM
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7. But
What kind of message do we want to send? I don't want to give Rove any more ammo about liberals not knowing how to handle the economy. Won't this give the impression that we are willing to try to damage the economy if we don't get our way?
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:22 PM
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14. I, personally, do not think so,
because we won't really be hurting it; we will just be manipulating the timing of our purchases, and thus showing that we can make an impact on the only thing any of these corporatists respect - their profit margin (even if it is an indirect impact). "Money talks" as they say.

For example, if every progressive subscribed to Sirius, made it known that they would be listening to Sirius Left and Air America, and, say, subscribed to DISH network, and stated that they would be watching Link and Free Speech TV, then, despite a conservative's philosophical difference with us, that media conservative would follow the money trail, and more progressive media would ensue. Murdock, for example, will bend wit the wind, in the end, despite his rightward leanings.
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RiDuvessa Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 11:49 AM
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3. Targets the wrong people
The wonderful Snopes.com makes my argument far better then I ever could.



I don't see how this protest would get the attention of the right people. At best, you will hurt your local economy, possibly the people most affected would be the small business owner, who can afford it the least.
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 12:02 PM
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8. the grocery stores in my area are NOT small bidness
Edited on Fri Jan-14-05 12:03 PM by peacebird
Giant, Safeway

nope - i'm not hurting the small business people.

and i'm not buying ANYTHING for the week.

on EDIT - why am i replying to two mini-posters? less than 30 posts each and you are trying to discourage us from acting?

hmmmmm.... dream on!
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Green Thumb Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 12:06 PM
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10. Mini-poster?
I'm not trying to discourage anyone. I'm not disagreeing just to be difficult. If I am going to go through the trouble of participating this (which I am considering) I want to know that it will be benificial
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RiDuvessa Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:57 PM
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19. And you always had three hundred posts?
My intention is not to prevent people from acting, I just don't think that this is a proper action. I don't think that it targets the right people. Take action!! Write your Congressman, go to a protest, write an editorial. Protest, but protest to the right people. Your local restaurants do not make government policy. Your local grocery store did not send people to Iraq. Protests and boycotts work when you are trying to change the policy of a business, like keeping Proctor and Gamble from performing animal testing. I question the validity of a protest that isn't going to hurt the entity that needs to change the policy, i.e. the federal government.

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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 03:44 PM
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22. I have written congressmen and phoned them, had letters published
Edited on Fri Jan-14-05 03:45 PM by peacebird
in washpost and nyt as well as bbc and boston globe. I have done this consistently for over 6 years now, and I have gone to the marches up and down the East Coast.

In my opinion a boycott like this will get attention, and the only way to be heard right now is to make the corporations who are feeding the republicans feel financial pain. My reps (Warner, Davis, Allen) couldn't give a rats ass what any of us have to say. The corporations however DO care about bottom line.

As long as a business gives 90% of it's donations to republicans then it doesn't deserve my shopping there. period.


therefore I will boycott them.
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Jeff in Cincinnati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 12:06 PM
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11. This is an editorial
I'm a little disappointed that Snopes (usually a good website) would allow itself to print what is clearly a political opinion.

General strikes and boycotts are effective. And if the goal is to send a message, then a one-day boycott of consumer spending can (if enough people do it) be an effective vehicle.

The only question is whether enough people know about it (and will participate) in order for it to have an effect. I could see red state conservatives saving up their shopping trips for Thursday just to counter-act the effects of Not One Damned Dime Day.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 03:03 PM
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20. Hmmm, let's see
I am a small business owner. Fortunately for me, my merchandise won't spoil and I don't have to pay employees, so "not one damn dime day" will give me some extra time to do bookwork next Thursday. I'd like to close, but a business my size can't afford to spend a normal working day closed. It makes my customers angry and they shop elsewhere.

The woman up the street is (as far as I can tell,) a liberal and owns a restaurant. For her, "not one damn dime day" could be a disaster. She still has to prep the breakfast items, figure out what her special is for lunchtime, pay her employees, etcetera. If she is closed, her customers get mad and eat at the restaurants in town owned by right-wingers.

Julie
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Jeff in Cincinnati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 12:02 PM
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9. But on the other hand...
If you'd like to make a donation to Democratic Underground on Thursday, that would be acceptable.

OK, OK. Skinner paid me to post this...
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:23 PM
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15. See! See! A total lack of posting intergrity.
I'm profoundly shocked that Skinner would engage in such ethics.

Just kidding! LOL at that joke!
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Jeff in Cincinnati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:48 PM
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18. Unfortunately...
Nobody has ever thought enough of my opinions to pay me nearly a quarter million dollars just to repeat them. Although some people are taking up a collection to see if I can be persuaded to shut the hell up.
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Dyedinthewoolliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 12:11 PM
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12. I admire the idea but
a more effective message would be if EVERYBODY stayed home from work that day........
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doodadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:35 PM
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16. Staying home and Code Pink
Staying home from work on Thur. was one other idea on this site. There was a list of others. Personally, since I'm self-employed, my boss is in total agreement with me!

Here's some other ideas from Code Pink:
Before the invasion of Iraq, countless millions of us across the globe came together and spoke out like never before, stating in no uncertain terms our collective mandate for peace, justice, and a rational foreign policy.

On Thursday, January 20, as George W. Bush is inaugurated for a second term, he will no doubt use the day to usher in his ‘mandate’ for never-ending war, greed, and a bullying, unilateral foreign policy.

Warmongering leaders have never kept us down, and the next four years will be no exception. Make January 20th the day you stand up, speak out, and reaffirm your commitment to working for peace and justice. Show your friends, neighbors, and the world that you aren’t in mourning, but rather part of an energized, mobilized and determined anti-war movement.

Count me in. What can I do?

CODEPINK strongly urges everyone who possibly can to run, swim, fly, caravan, shuttle, or two-step your way to Washington, DC on January 20th with a suitcase full of pink to join what promises to be the fun, raucous, peace-loving counter-inaugural activities. As the warmongers party on the inside, outside we’re going to fill the streets of DC with peacemongers as far as the eye can see! (Check out www.codepinkalert.org/National_Actions_J20.shtml#calendar to see the creative actions we’ll be participating in.)

Can’t go to DC? As the saying goes, “Do what you can, where you are, with what you have.” Here are some ideas:

1) Get thee to the protest nearest you and make some serious noise! There is no shortage of folks speaking out against the Bush agenda on the 20th. Protests and rallies are being planned all over the country. Check out unitedforpeace.org to find what’s happening near you, or organize something yourself. Organize? Are you kidding? All you need to make an effective statement is a sign or two, a public place, a couple of friends, and the desire to speak out in opposition to the Bush agenda. Presto; you’ve organized your first protest. Email us at webmistress@codepinkalert.org so we can be sure to help you get the word out about your event, large or small, on our website.

2) Before you protest, pick up the phone. On the 20th, let’s not only flood the streets, but the White House phone lines with our unified message: no endless war and occupation. Call the White House directly and demand a clear exit strategy at 202-456-1111.

3) Not One Damn Dime. It's important to put your money where your protest signs are and shop your values everyday. But on January 20th, CODEPINK is joining people throughout the country who aren’t putting their money anywhere. "Not One Damn Dime” Day is a way for those who oppose what is happening in our name in Iraq to speak up with a 24-hour national boycott of all forms of consumer spending. So on Inauguration Day, don't spend any money. Not one damn dime for gasoline. Not one damn dime for coffee, or for impulse purchases. Nothing for 24 hours.

4.) Be visible in your community. At the very least, wear a button or a t-shirt, carry a sign to and from work, put a sign in the windows of your home and car – anything to let your community know what you think about four more years of George W. Bush. You never know how something as seemingly simple as a button can encourage or inspire someone else to action. Some ideas: “Not My President.” “I Say No to the Bush Agenda.” “Another Peacemaker in It for the Long Haul.”

5.) Start planning your Sorry State of the Union party to coincide with George Bush's State of the Union Address on February 2nd. This is a great way to get together with your community, get riled up, and start organizing for the coming year. Email webmistress@codepinkalert.org to have your event posted on the website.



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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 12:16 PM
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13. Doesn't have to be just
one day:

Join the New Boston Tea Party and dry up the flow of money to the GOP!
http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com/index.htm#shopping

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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:48 PM
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17. Man is this going to backfire.
Whether or not this protest will hurt the local economy or not is irrelevent. The gop will say it did and that'll be the end of it. The people will buy it because they don't have the sources to tell them otherwise and the progressive movement will take another hit.

It doesn't matter what we say, we will not be heard and we will once again be made to look like the evil ones.
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 03:23 PM
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21. Damn...I guess we should all just give up, huh?
It's hopeless! :shrug:
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 03:48 PM
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23. that's what the evil rethugs would like us to do anyhow!
:evilgrin:

good thing we evil DU-ers don't ever ever DU what rethugs want us to do!
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 06:29 PM
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25. I don't remember saying that but if you want, you go right ahead.
I merely said the gop would use this protest as an excuse to further tarnish progressives and our ideals. We shall see.
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 04:11 PM
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24. Lots to be involved with in Dallas, all day long and into the night.
There is en going to be a "Peoples" Inaugural Ball being held at the Magnolia Lounge at Fair Park later in the evening, 7/8:00 to midnight.

http://www.dallaspeacecenter.org/calendar.htm

Come join in and spread the word to those in outlying areas of the DFW metro area.
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