Bertha Venation
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Fri Jan-14-05 11:49 AM
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I can't explain the feeling I have but it is very, very strong today. With the CIA report confirming what so many people warned of before the invasion of Iraq, and the massive buildup to the Coronation next week (I work in DC -- the preparations I see, the things I hear, and the impending sense of week-long gridlock make me cringe) -- I just have a very strong feeling that the liberal backlash is coming. Maybe even in time for the 06 election.
Am I alone in this?
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Fri Jan-14-05 11:51 AM
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I agree. And we are going to kick their corrupt asses on Social Security.
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Fri Jan-14-05 11:52 AM
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I've thought many times it was time for a liberal backlash. So far, no dice. I hope you're right and I'm wrong.
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Fri Jan-14-05 11:53 AM
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But are you sure it's not just gas?
Sorry for being so sarcastic but the TV culture is just so rampant.
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Bertha Venation
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Fri Jan-14-05 12:26 PM
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Pretty sure it's not just gas, that is. :bounce:
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Fri Jan-14-05 11:53 AM
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4. i hope you are correct! |
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i have a similar feeling. i feel like *they* are going to need to do something spectacular to keep everyone complacent thru the election theft.
so, i agree -- the backlash cometh -- but i also think the backlash cameth and it didn't do any good.
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Fri Jan-14-05 11:53 AM
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5. I cautiously echo your sentiments... |
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The disappoinments have been so many and so frequent in the past five years that I do not dare go any further than cautious optimism.
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Fri Jan-14-05 11:54 AM
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6. Even if you're right, the left is missing one thing: |
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Edited on Fri Jan-14-05 11:55 AM by brainshrub
The vote. With BBV machines, partisan election officials and media blackouts there is no way for the will of the people to be expressed.
I'm optimistic that things can change.
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Fri Jan-14-05 11:58 AM
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this administration and their fundamentalist followers are so out of control. Something needs to stop. I keep asking myself how can it get any worse but then it does, day by day.
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Fri Jan-14-05 12:09 PM
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8. Before yesterday I would have agreed with you. |
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But yesterday I spoke to the friend who was instrumental in 'waking me up' to the 2004 election & all that was at stake. We say F911 together. Turns out, she has completely dropped out of the political scene - she doesn't pay any attention. "Maybe in '08," she said. She had no idea about the election fraud issue.
I worry that the incredible momentum we gathered is spent.
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Fri Jan-14-05 12:11 PM
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9. I'm starting to feel that way, like it's not worth it. |
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My money goes down a black hole and my vote doesn't count.
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Bertha Venation
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Fri Jan-14-05 12:29 PM
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16. I MUST try to remain optimistic. |
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Optimism -- hope -- is honestly all we have. Hope is a very powerful thing.
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Fri Jan-14-05 01:19 PM
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22. I've noticed a lot of my activist friends are not responding to e-mails. |
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And one of the most active ones who used to lead the meetups dropped out to "concentrate on business."
I'm kind of feeling that it is also hopeless due to the voting machines and the media bias. Without more Americans on our side - not a lot can be done. I will still be somewhat active in politics but the hopeful feeling I used to have has been replaced by one of cynicism.
I will probably work on the Florida Governors race though.
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Fri Jan-14-05 12:16 PM
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10. It's Already Happening |
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Patience and a Positive Attitude...
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Fri Jan-14-05 12:17 PM
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11. You aren't alone. But I'm afraid you are just dreaming. |
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But, it's a beautiful and just dream. Who knows? Stranger things have happened.
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Fri Jan-14-05 12:20 PM
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12. Not to mention * and his apologies for Bring 'em on and Dead or alive.. |
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.. he seems to be in repentent mode because he knows shit is going to hit the fan and wants to be proactive by showing he's the peace prez who didn't really mean what he said. Just "rallying the troops" before sending them off to their deaths for the illegal war.
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Fri Jan-14-05 12:20 PM
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13. I feel the silent rumble of millions of Americans... |
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And, I feel the silent rumble of our liberal Congress (Republicans too).
People know that the illegal invasion of Iraq is criminal and monstrous.
People know that cutting education funding is wrong.
People know that tax cuts for the wealthy was a choice for this administration - a direct benefit for the few at the expense of the many.
People know our national debt will ruin our existence.
People know that the changes to environment laws are killing us.
People know that the Social Security system works and works good and is healthy for at least 40 years. To change it is to purposely kill off our aging citizens. Once again, a choice was made by the barbarian in the WH - the tax cuts for the wealthy vs shoring up Social Security.
Jobs being exported overseas. Another detrimental aspect of overseas outsourcing - fewer jobs in America - fewer people paying into Social Security.
We have to stop this tyrant we call *.
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Bertha Venation
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Fri Jan-14-05 12:28 PM
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15. Damn right, SnoopDog. n/t |
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Fri Jan-14-05 12:33 PM
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17. problem is people knew these things on 11/2 .... |
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Fri Jan-14-05 12:42 PM
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18. People were under the spell of 911 and terrorists and God. |
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911 was an inside job...
Iraq - no WMD - no link to 911 - no link to OBL.
People are wising up that this tyrant is attempting to kill us all - through ever means possible.
Even religious people need food, water, a place to live.
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Fri Jan-14-05 12:47 PM
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19. religious are looking to the rapture and don't forget, the boyking |
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is the personal rep of God on earth. They'll starve to death before they go against him.
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Fri Jan-14-05 12:54 PM
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21. Thats what I understand as well... |
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I guess the religious folk want to kill off the earth so they can go to heaven.
Well, guess what? I don't believe that and I think there are more people who agree with me on that.
I have an idea - why don't we all live on earth - protect our health and well being, and when we die - we all die - we die then it is our time.
These sonnabitch extreme religious fanatics can die then as well.
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Fri Jan-14-05 01:56 PM
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24. I hope you are right on the religious right |
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Edited on Fri Jan-14-05 01:58 PM by barb162
But the fact is that prior to the election all the things about Bush were already known. The unemployment, the fact there was no WMD in Iraq, Bush smirking and joking around as he was looking for WMD under the chairs in the Oval Ofice as soldiers and Iraqis were getting killed every day, the jobs getting shipped to other countries, Bush stating he wanted to "reform" Social Security, the Patriot Act, the dismantling of environmental laws, the dollar falling against other currencies, the trade deficit, the tax laws favoring the rich, etc. So the boyking won the election. One would have thought the voters would have thrown him out by a huge margin. The fact that they didn't shows there is something vastly wrong with this country
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Fri Jan-14-05 02:14 PM
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There is something wrong with our country.
The exit polls said that Kerry won 51% to 48%. This too proves there is something wrong with our country. Only 51 percent? - not 60 or 70 or 80 percent?
Obvious or not, I am not religious. But, I have no problem with other's beliefs. They - they have a problem with my beliefs. I want to live healthy and free and with respect for other citizens.
These pricks want just the opposite.
To be honest - I don't understand this.
Religion has been the cause of more blood shed than any other reason.
And this is what GOD wants?
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Fri Jan-14-05 06:08 PM
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29. When I was out earlier a big Lexus was in front of me and the |
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bumper sticker was "Have you met Jesus yet"
Interesting, when did you ever see a religious bumper sticker on a late model luxury car. Never, at least in my neck of the woods. The rich never would never muck up their cars with any bumper sticker.
The country is doing a big shift to the right.
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Fri Jan-14-05 01:34 PM
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23. .........and yet Kerry lost by 4 million votes. |
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I totally agree that we--as liberals---have been letting the Cons frame the debates for too long. Most Americans DO agree with us on the majority of the issues---fact of the matter is that the Democratic party has been doing a piss poor job getting that point across. Running weak candidates that are backed by the DLC is no way to win elections.
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Fri Jan-14-05 01:58 PM
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26. One can argue that Kerry won 51% to idiots 48%... |
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Exit polls. Ohio. Florida. New Mexico. All had fraud. (I know - prove it).
It is almost like the Dems (in power for the 2004 election) wanted the idiot to win...
I feel now, the true Democrats in Congress feel our voice and are realizing that we are not going to put up with the Repub death wish - the death wish upon us citizens.
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Sun Jan-16-05 03:54 PM
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I don't think the "people" know any of this. Honestly, I don't. No one cares about all the shit they do. No one cares that we're led by a fool.
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Fri Jan-14-05 12:53 PM
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this lot is like a bunch of really spoiled children whose father has always bailed them out of everything. In a petulant rage, they have killed their father and now are shocked at the realization that he is not going to bail them out of that one.
How are Lyle and Eric doing these days?
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Fri Jan-14-05 01:57 PM
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25. Let the backlash begin by suing the Smear Boat Liars for Bush! |
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Fri Jan-14-05 03:30 PM
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28. I'm lashing back myself.... |
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Fri Jan-14-05 06:10 PM
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30. Doesn't Matter - Voting is Rigged |
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Momentum Swings matter for shit.
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Sun Jan-16-05 03:51 PM
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32. well, I certainly don't feel it in Texas |
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but I do hope you are correct. The arrogance being displayed by Bush Inc is breathtaking.
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Sun Jan-16-05 03:53 PM
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33. I haven't witnessed anything to suggest that recently (nt) |
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Sun Jan-16-05 04:03 PM
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35. I just heard Sen Kennedy on the C-Span rerun say... |
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"...and we are going to WIN" on Social Security! He is answering questions from the press, and sounds like the lion he is! :-) Even Repubs in the Congress know the rubber is meeting the road here.
And there are multiple dams all around us beginning to break! I can see it!! I can feel it!! (eg, Armstrong Williams admitting he was paid directly!! Cheney trying to sell us on SS following up his WMD act. Just the "No WMD" consciousness FINALLY sinking in around us!)
The Lord of Righteousness is breathing down their necks!!
Live your MLKing Holiday in HOPE, brothers and sisters!!
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Sun Jan-16-05 04:15 PM
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37. The Minneapolist Star Tribune has been printing |
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letters in support of privatization recently, and the scary thing is that they're written in a way which is superficially reasonable.
That makes me pessimistic that Bush will succed in stealing our Social Security money.
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Sun Jan-16-05 04:13 PM
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push people in a corner and they tend to puch back...eventually.
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Sun Jan-16-05 04:19 PM
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38. I hope the Social Security mess will wake up some |
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I don't think all the wingnuts realized before the election just how much they want to mess social security. The neocons may overplay their hand on this one. People that have been paying in for 30 years want it to be there when they are ready to retire.
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Sun Jan-16-05 04:55 PM
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39. I pray to whom ever will listen |
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that you are right. I've been waiting for the White house of cards to crumble for a long time now.
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Mon Jan-17-05 05:20 PM
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40. coffins on TV last week: Tide turning, finally. |
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I agree. There was a group of alabama national guardsmen who's families had a public ceremony when the coffins came off the plane. They insisted that the TV cocer it, and they did, in direct opposition to Bush orders. I hope more families do the same.
Social security and the draft will be the waterloo. It's fonna be wake up time. No way will we fall for more crap about invading Iran. I think it is wake up time.
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