Why do Republicans constantly say that JFK stole the election of 1960?

[Reverend_Smitty]

Even if there was some monkey business going on in Illinois with Daily and his cronies and Nixon won Illinois, it still wouldn't matter. That would leave Kennedy with 276 electoral votes to Nixon's 246. 269 was the magic number to win...I recently had a conversation with a person who was steadfast in their belief that Nixon won in 60 because Kennedy stole Illinois. I think people need to review their history before making stupid comments like that

[liberalpragmatist]

1. There were allegations of cheating in Texas and Missouri too

Which would have flipped the race. Truthfully there was a lot of monkey business, and to be fair, if Bush had won by 300 votes but still cheated in a state like Florida, for instance, would we accept it?

Still, one of the big reasons it's said that Nixon didn't challenge the results was because the Republicans had engaged in lots of ballot-stuffing as well, such as in downstate Illinois. There were a lot of shenanigans going around on both sides.

[Reverend_Smitty]

5. So basically politics as usual

n/t

[tk2kewl]

7. I would just tell them if they would rather have had a crook like Nixon

than a thinking, caring, visionary like John F. Kennedy, it's not surprising that they would choose a draft-dodger over a war hero.

[Reverend_Smitty]

10. I always tell them to imagine a world...

following Nixon handling the Cuban Missile Crisis...oh yeah thats right there wouldn't have been a world left!

[lenidog]

13. I have heard some say

that if it did happen Kennedy probably never knew it happened that it was Papa Joe Kennedy that pulled it off through some of his old bootlegging friends. Then they go off on the possibility that it was his fathers friends that offed him.

[Skink]

2. Guilty concience.....

strike that they have no concience.

[Vincardog]

3. 1 people will never stop making stupid comments

2 Freepers believe it or not are people.
return to 1

[barb162]

4. most people still believe the JFK stolen election thing, even those

who consider themselves politically and otherwise astute. Of course it is incorrect and I always tell people to check the vote numbers for that year.

[orpupilofnature57]

6. Ahead of the loop again, shrub hows your daddy and kkkarl.

N.Y did a lot more for you, than texas did for him,oh that's right the (PT-109) was a hoax too, RIGHT.Or what was the name of those boats.

[Cha]

8. Why do they say anything?...long and loud

enough and it gets into the sheeple's subconcious.

[ooglymoogly]

9. what the fkn hell...it does not matter if it is dem or pug cheating

it has got to stop period.

[orpupilofnature57]

11. I think they call that "period of persecution" e o m

[DulceDecorum]

12. Because Kennedy shaved and showed he had good manners

during the televised debate?

[Stirk]

14. Same reason they called Kerry a war criminal. Preemptive projection.

[Trajan]

15. Because they get away with it ....

The anomalies of Kennedy's election weren't greater or lesser than that of other campaigns ....

Kennedy WAS sworn in as POTUS ... will they ever get over it ? ...

Nope: they never got over it ...

They killed him almost 3 years later .... and his brother after that ....

NEVER let repuke assholes get away with this BS ... slap'm down whilst getting in a dig against the frat boy ...

Fuck'm ...

[marcologico]

16. Why would Daly have to steal Chicago anyway? Isn't it a big Dem city? nt

[Career Prole]

17. If he stole it then it's a damned good thing he did.

Can you imagine Nixon's handling of the Cuban missile crisis?
"Thirteen Days in October" would have telescoped to "One Day in October Then :nuke: "

[LiberalFighter]

18. From Slate

Slate

National GOP officials plunged in. Thruston Morton flew to Chicago to confer with Illinois Republican leaders on strategy, while party Treasurer Meade Alcorn announced Nixon would win the state. With Nixon distancing himself from the effort, the Cook County state's attorney, Benjamin Adamowski, stepped forward to lead the challenge. A Daley antagonist and potential rival for the mayoralty, Adamowski had lost his job to a Democrat by 25,000 votes. The closeness of his defeat entitled him to a recount, which began Nov. 29.

Completed Dec. 9, the recount of 863 precincts showed that the original tally had undercounted Nixon's (and Adamowski's) votes, but only by 943, far from the 4,500 needed to alter the results. In fact, in 40 percent of the rechecked precincts, Nixon's vote was overcounted. Displeased, the Republicans took the case to federal court, only to have a judge dismiss the suits. Still undeterred, they turned to the State Board of Elections, which was composed of four Republicans, including the governor, and one Democrat. Yet the state board, too, unanimously rejected the petition, citing the GOP's failure to provide even a single affidavit on its behalf. The national party finally backed off after Dec. 19, when the nation's Electoral College certified Kennedy as the new president—but even then local Republicans wouldn't accept the Illinois results.

[orpupilofnature57]

19. A lot easier on bill, i guess.

[bobbieinok]

32. WOW...in 2000 the republicans,and my brother, kept saying over and

over that Gore should concede like Nixon did 'for the good of the country'

and Nixon fought it out to AFTER dec 12??????????????

[FULL_METAL_HAT]

20. Umm, so what if they did? (Power of Nightmares & Dominionism)

It would seem the state of the realpolitik is not the same as the "recorded history" we learn/absorb.

Maybe the situation was the contest was "who could cheat the best" -- what if election cheating is sooooo rampant, in history, that the Republicans CHEATED at CHEATING by REALLY loading the deck the past, what 3 to 6 election cycles? Maybe the stratisified Democratic Party, ahem, tactics, were stuck in the 60s and they just didn't know _how_ to cheat in the 21st century?

You have to see "Power of Nightmares" and the "Rise of the Religious Right" -- a history about the fantasy of a bogeyman is actually not history ...

Realpolitik meet Realhistorik ;)

Maybe the bogeyman is soooo paper-thin that the struggle is "just" choosing "scissors" instead of "rock"?

Check out that source material... even MSM/CWM/CMW/COW/CWW/??? has noticed! LA Times!

And they even have a "manual" it turns out! I'd like to think that something they hold dear, like their tenet to literally puff up their threat to make their oppoonents afraid to do anything.

I don't know about you, but even one of them huge galapos geckos (gilla monsters?) with their weird-scary looking hissy fits, is still just a hissy fit to an intelligent, aware being... like the Crocodile Hunter! ;) Or anyone who can step back from the emotional fear that a huge hissing reptile would cause just about anyone! (except that _other_ crocodile hunter fellow!;)) Step back and say, duh, I'm real smart and that's just an animal -- a nasty animal -- but if you study it you can figure out how to catch it...

The response people have been having to "Power of Nightmares" is pretty staggering. I mean I've got a metal hat, and we are here in DU so my view on it is pretty focused ... but regular folks who see this documentary really can see the man-behind-the-curtain! The most startlingly simple bit that most people comment on is how they're using the _exact same_ playbook as they did in the 70s! "Exact" is what people have said, picking their jaw up off the floor as they realize how transparent the play actually is.

There's been quite a bit of BLUSTERING lately from la main droit... maybe their shell game is starting to look shell-thin?? :)

I'm just thankful Jon Stewart let Lewis Black slip the Jan6 Objection into his rant. Not doing _anything_ until then was an indicator of the heavy hand of "NO STORY HERE MOVE ON" that definately came down. Must be rough to be a journalist with having to play the game that includes these obviously real lockdowns...

Remember history is not always...

Still Steeled,
FULL_METAL_HAT

p.s. I'll leave you with some of their actual "codes" -- run it pass your own litmus test compared to what the ** has been doing and see how well they match up to your own recollection of events and stratergeries(tm)!

First: Strauss believed that a leader had to perpetually deceive the citizens he ruled.

Secondly: Those who lead must understand there is no morality, there is only the right of the superior to rule the inferior.

Thirdly: According to Drury, Religion “is the glue that holds society together.”<40> It is a handle by which the ruler can manipulate the masses. Any religion will do. Strauss is indifferent to them all.

Fourthly: “Secular society…is the worst possible thing,” because it leads to individualism, liberalism, and relativism, all of which encourage dissent and rebellion. As Drury sums it up: “You want a crowd that you can manipulate like putty.”<41>

Fifthly: “Strauss thinks that a political order can be stable only if it is united by an external threat; and following Machiavelli, he maintains that if no external threat exists, then one has to be manufactured.”<42>

Sixthly: “In Strauss’s view, the trouble with liberal society is that it dispenses with noble lies and pious frauds. It tries to found society on secular rational foundations.”


From http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm

On Edit some links:
http://www.google.com/search?q=la-times+power+of+nightmares

[youngred]

21. justifies their own theft

the 110% turnout in some Texas counties didn't hurt their case either.

First it allows them to attack us and Kennedy who despite numerous personal flaws they were never able to really attack well, and it justifies their own actions of late (not to say that Dems don't try nasty tactics too)

[beanball]

22. Stolen elections

In my opinion the republicans want to justify their thief of the 2000 election,so they go back to yesteryear for justification.

[TreasonousBastard]

23. Because he did...

not that Nixon didn't try to steal it, too. Joe Kennedy was just better at it.

Truman explained it in "Plain Speaking"-- it wasn't just Chicago and the cemetary vote. It was knowing a sheriff or county leader in Iowa or New Mexico who could deliver the county and tip the state vote. Nothing different from today-- pick a couple dozen very specific counties around the country to buy, and you tip the scales enough to get just enough electoral votes.

Anyway, bringing up Kennedy, or any other past election, is just bringing up a strawman to cloud the current issue of 2004 election fraud. Anyone who brings Kennedy into the discussion should simply be ignored, ridiculed, or have the living shit beat out of him. (Whatever works.)

[LiberalFighter]

24. The real reason Nixon didn't demand a recount in Illinois...

Southern Illinois was rife with vote rigging and fraud. It wouldn't had looked good losing (knowing that they would lose anyway) and it coming out that they were involved in vote stealing in the southern part of the state.

[Gman]

25. The politically correct term for this is

Sore Loserman

[DemonFighterLives]

26. It's just more of their both sides do it mentality

In their mind it justifies all wrongdoing that could ever be committed.
Nothing like going back 45 years to try to find excuses.

[Jim Lane]

27. Don't forget California

I read a comment long ago by someone who'd been involved with the Kennedy campaign. According to him, the feeling in the campaign was that Democrats had stolen both Illinois and Texas, but the Republicans had stolen California with some creative counting of the absentee ballots. So, if all the thefts had been corrected, JFK would still have won.

[seabeyond]

30. nixon couldnt bring up the theft cause he had done his own

you are right. so as repug says kennedy did, so did nixon

neither is ok. both are wrong. we should be appalled by it all

[Jim Lane]

31. Kennedy and Nixon probably not involved

I'd guess that the chicanery in 1960 was largely the work of state and local officials. (Mayor Daley and his vaunted organization were frequently mentioned in connection with the Illinois vote.) Back then, no one had heard the term "deniability", but the cheaters in both parties were probably smart enough not to implicate their presidential candidate.

[B0S0X87]

28. It was certainly not a fair election

Daley and Giancana gave JFK Illinois. Didn't 25,000 votes for JFK appear at the last minute? The same thing probably happened in Texas which was run by Connolly and his cronies.

This isn't to say that Nixon didn't cheat either. The real winner of that election will probably never be known.

[w4rma]

29. Their minds are in an alternate reality. (nt)

[Piperay]

33. If 1960 election was stolen

the repugs have certainly gotten their revenge. :-(