Have any of the Repub/shrub lovers around you shown dismay over 'no WMD?'

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

The Official Announcement that "the search is over folks", that is...

If the topic comes up, have they bought hook line and sinker into the "newer" talking points that the war was never ABOUT WMD in the first place, and shrubco never sold it on that basis, conveniently forgetting everything they were hearing and seeing on radio/TV a couple of years ago, and probably many of their own statements made in favor of war? :shrug:

It's hard, living in "objective reality" sometimes. Maybe it'd be easier and less painful to just blow along with the propaganda winds. When little rips in the seams of that propaganda reality sometimes appear, like Bush saying "same age as my mother" before his Town Hall stooge in the Social Security stage set told him how old her mother was, the thing to do is just to turn away from the TV and close your eyes and sing "Mary Had a Little Lamb" really loud. Presto! Back to "propaganda reality".

[Wabbajack]

1. My brother

"Who cares, Saddam was evil, Maybe they're hidden in Syria or Iran".

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

2. Lemme guess. He's not active duty military, is he now.

[Democrat 4 Ever]

8. Yeah, my son-in-law insists that Saddam moved them out

before we got there but he definitely - definitely - had them, no doubt, for sure, end of subject. Will not even try to have a calm conversation about it. When I ask him if we now have to attack Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia to find the damn things since we are still in as much "danger" because of their existence - he just gets huffy, defensive, raises his voice and says, "Well if we have to, we will take them all out." He is ex-military, think he is a billy bad butt but I noticed he's not re-upping and heading back to Iraq (thank God!) - he served in the first Gulf War. Think he thinks that people are somehow disparaging his service in 1991 because we think Bush hoodwinked the Dildoheads like him this time around.

Right before the election he had decided to vote for Kerry - didn't like Bush (or so he says) but now that the Chimp hanging around for another four years, he's back on the Kook Aid diet. Think there is something about some people who like to be on the "winning" team no matter the cost - and he is one. Runs me nuts - he has children he needs to be thinking about.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

11. Yes, I think a lot of the people who backed the Nazis liked being winners,

too.

For a time.

It must have been an exciting time, Blitzkrieg through Poland, Czechoslovakia and all that. Wonder what happened to the Jewish neighbors? Oh well.

So did your son-in-law actually vote for Kerry?

[Democrat 4 Ever]

26. Don't know. If he did, he would never admit it now. He's

back on the home team again. Before the election he acted like he thought Kerry was great (of course, could be that jump on the winning team syndrome - everyone knew that Kerry was winning but since he "didn't" (wink, wink) he's back on board with the idiots. Gr-r-r-r-r.

He's a Bill O'Whinny fan. His oldest daughter watched F 9/11, Outfoxed and she just laughs every time she sees him watching Falafel Man now. He refused to watch Fahrenheit 9/11, Outfoxed, Up River (I got them all for his viewing pleasure) - apparently he LIKES his head buried up his ass. Good thing I like the boy despite his political wackiness - he is a good husband and father - treats my daughter and grandkids great so he's not ALL bad, just uninformed.

[hadrons]

37. sounds like your son-in-law wants to be uninformed ....

and keep his dillusions ... doesn't make him a bad person, just bit of a dumb-ass

[TankLV]

31. Yeah - the first Gulf war - the glorified 2 week Nintendo game.

Real "veteran".

Tell it to my father & uncles who FOUGHT in WWII and my partner who FOUGHT in Vietnam for YEARS!

Just like our unfortunate soldiers today.

GWI vets make me laugh at their "service".

One big fucking video game from a safe distance.

Sorry - I have no excuse for these delusional ones who think that they are in any way shape or form comparable to almost any other war - maybe they're like the bunch who went and "fought" to liberate that medical college during raygun's term.

[flygal]

12. HA - I heard from a freeper that France and Russia took them!

[Chipper Chat]

15. A local Repuke here says Israel got some of them -

"but this is such a closely-guarded secret no one knows about it."

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[joefree1]

10. You hang with a lot of repukes in high denial mode

Everyone I know is either in slow burn over the Bush train wreck or spinning in the canatonic state of denial and patriotic hand wringing.

Which are you?

[LynnTheDem]

33. What isn't "old old news" are the US marines dead today.

Who died for bush's lies of WMD.

How nice for some people to be able to simply shrug it all off as "old old news".

[Sparkly]

43. Are you kidding me???

Do they think it's over??? :crazy:

[Chipper Chat]

4. To quote Betsy Hart:

"Going to war was the right thing to do." That blanket statement covers it all for right-wing repubs.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

5. Forgive my ignorance, who is Betsy Hart?

[Mz Pip]

7. Token Rupub brunette

She's been around for awhile. Used to pretty much just do the anti-abortion stuff but they are letting her out more now.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[Chipper Chat]

13. She's a columnist for Scripps Howard I think -

I see her on Fox alot. Her conservative views are similar to Kathleen Parker. But she's not a bitch like Laura Ingraham.

[Nitrogenica]

6. I think many Repugs have been victims of so much propaganda

as too the other reasons we went to Iraq, as gradually the WMD's reality came to light.
Here is a reminder of the blatant and agressive campaign for their case leading up to the war.

http://www.house.gov/reform/min/pdfs_108_2/pdfs_inves/pdf_admin_iraq_on_the_record_rep.pdf

(My republican co-worker scoffed at this report, displaying his ignorance)

[TWiley]

20. What a great link. Thanks

[Dees]

9. From my wife's Repug side of the family.

Trilogy of crap.

1.) Clinton thought Hussein had them.

2.) You Democrats voted to use force.

3.) Hussein would have eventually secured WMD and used them.


Clinton didn't give the order.

Dems were lied to.

Where's your proof?

As far as I know MonkeyPenis was the only leader to have ever mentioned mushroom clouds.

[asjr]

14. I think Republicans really do not care. Especially fundamentalists in

my area. One neighbor I have is on my email list. She sends me any religious messages she gets. Most of them have some Democrat-bashing involved. I usually am careful about what I send. Well, one got away last week. It was not pornographic. But it was funny, I thought. I received an answer from her asking me not to send her anymore like that. Because she would not be able to witness for "our Lord" if she read something like that. She really is a nice person and I believe is very conflicted concerning her beliefs. She visited later and told me she is my friend but had to let me know how she felt. I told her I understood and would carefully check my messages before I sent them. I could tell she was in a confused state. She doesn't seem to feel she has a right to an opinion of her own. This is what fundamentalism causes. I am a Christian, but a thinking one. I believe God has a sense of humor and isn't going to send me to hell for a funny picture on the internet.

[LibDemAlways]

18. I would have asked her to carefully check

the messages she sends as well because, as a Democrat, I find Dem-bashing offensive. These people know how to dish it out, but they sure can't take it, can they?

[asjr]

22. I just delete the Dem -bashing emails. As I said this is a confused

person and I will have a discussion with her to let her know she can talk to me. I have dealt with this type person before and helped. I can tell she is unhappy for other reasons also. I am a listener and that helps some people. I am considered mild-mannered except when it comes to this administration, then I become another person. That is when fire comes from my nostrils!

[TWiley]

16. None.

I have questioned many of the bush believers with negative results.

I only get variations of the "Saddam is an evil man" theme which justifies the war within the tiny minds of those crack pots.

Doesn't anyone remember that it was Regan and Bush who sold Iraq the chemical weapons that he allegedly used against the Kurds?

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

17. I suspect none of these believers have kids over there.

[TWiley]

21. Thats the funny thing.

No kids over there, and "Kerry will bring back the Draft" was one of their many fears.

Will war-mongering conservative fundamentalists morph into conscious objectors?

[greendog]

19. It was never about WMD's...

...for these people.

For some, the only reason necessary is "because we can".

[lectrobyte]

23. Dismay? Hardly. WMD either just doesn't matter since we are "kicking

ass to get the gas", or if it does matter, then they claim they were sold to Iran or somesuch.

[Dr Fate]

24. They dont care. Now its: "It was never about the WMDS..."

"...its about FREEDOM and having a front to fight terror..." etc, etc.

Best to ignore the brain-washed and work on the fence-sitters who ARE wondering why we are there.

[OhioBlue]

25. they don't care

their response is that the whole world thought he had them.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

27. Only one I talk to his my brother...

And although he said he voted for Kerry this election, I don't believe him. He also said that the Polish found WMD in Iraq, but our "liberal media" didn't report it, of course. Except for Fox news.
:eyes:

[LynnTheDem]

35. For your brother (not that he's likely to read them or change his mind)

But we can say we tried. :)

Poland DIDN'T find WMD:

Warheads found in Iraq not chemical weapons, military says
http://www.spacewar.com/2004/040702181116.ctvlrxgf.html

Chemicals Not Found in Iraq Warheads
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24403-2004Jul2.html

How come BUSH admits no WMD in Iraq since 1994? Is your brother calling BUSH a liar?

Bush, Cheney Admit Saddam Had No WMDs
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20041008/news_1n8weapons.html

Bush, Cheney Finally Admit Saddam Had No WMDs
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/299100.shtml

At least Poland's government was honest about why they joined bush's "coalition" against the wishes of the majority of Polish citizens;

Poland seeks Iraqi oil stake
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3043330.stm

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

39. This might get a little embarassing, but...

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!
I've been looking for that info for a while.

My brother said that Poland found specific explosives that were shape charged or something specifically used for nuclear warheads. I, of course, don't believe him (especially when he said that the "liberal" media wouldn't report it) but considering your extensive research on this subject (I've loved your rants on this subject) I figured you might have a report on that subject. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

And if I didn't make myself clear before: thank you!

[LynnTheDem]

41. Nuclear warheads??!

The only things "nuclear" was yellowcake under UN lock & key since 1991 at Tuwaitha...that is, until bush's invasion when bush didn't even bother ordering the site secured.

Shape-charges are shape-charges; they are "nuclear shape-charges" only if & when you have shape-charges attached to actual nuclear missiles. Iraq had no nuclear missiles (and never has had any).

The "liberal media" never reported on such a thing because (normally!) one doesn't report on something that was non-existant.

All Poland kept finding were buried old Iran-Iraq war empty shells.

If your brother sends you any such "report" on nuclear shape-charges, we can debunk that, no problem. :)

You're very welcome! My soldier hubby is an NBC (nuke/bio/chem) expert and was with the ISG; that's why all my "Oh grow up, there were NO WMD in Iraq!" rants. ;)

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

42. That's what I kept saying to him, too.

That the "liberal media" wouldn't report on something that didn't exist.
But I couldn't continue the discussion, becuase we were having this conversation in the dining room, and his son and my niece were sleeping in a tent next to the Christmass tree, so we couldn't contine the discussion.

Ironically, this all came about when he gave me my belated birthday present: the deck of "Regime Change Begins at Home" playing cards with all the nefarious players in the Bush administration on the cards. I showed him the Colin Powell card, which said that there was no stockpile of weapons Powell reported to the UN. His first word was "bullshit".
And it went downhill from there. When he said "liberal media', I knew he voted for Bush, even though he said he didn't.

[freein NC]

28. No

[Piperay]

29. No ...

they give the usual line about the "World is a better place without Saddam bla bla bla". :mad:

[TankLV]

30. Not for a split second. Out of sight, out of mind.

A repuke could screw little boys on stage, and they'd look the other way.

They have no morals.

Their only concern is winning at all costs.

And some new and not so new DU'rs think we should be nice to these thugs.

[juajen]

38. Pet a snake, get bitten.

N/T

[ErinGoBraghLess]

32. WMD'S???

Of course not! They were buried in the sand, they were transferred to Syria, they were destroyed prior to our invasion. Ah the faith of these people to believe what they want to believe. Sorry -- gotta go get the door -- Santa and the Tooth Fairy are coming over to play Jenga with me tonight.

[Liberal In Texas]

34. I've heard them say the weapons were moved before the war started,

to another country, that they had plenty of time.

When I reply that there is absolutely no evidence of this, the next thing they say is that it doesn't matter. Then I get a confused mixture of "oil for food", "he violated UN sanctions", and "we're better off with out Saddam."

The curious thing too is, that they think it's retribution for 9/11. When you tell them Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, it doesn't matter because in the neo-con brain all "those" people are evil.

I ask if they want to kill everybody who is Islamic I get the "well if we have to" thing. Like that's some viable solution!

I think they're all brain-washed!

[thecorster]

36. of course not

They no longer care about WMDs. They have been told not to care for some time now. The administration created a hype over these non-existent WMDs as a justification to go to war, then slowly changed the rationale because they knew we'd find out the truth sooner or later. Ask any repub today why we're in Iraq. "To spread democracy." Bull. Utter bull. That was never the reason. So of course they aren't angry about the WMDs, they don't care about them anymore.

[shadowknows69]

40. recognizing the truth

is not a luxury these people posess.