Alabama Taliban --- mom's honor killing for Jesus (12 year old daughter)

[Proud2BAmurkin]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&u=/ap/20050115/ap_on_re_us/bleach_death_1&printer=1

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. - A woman angry with her 12-year-old daughter for having sex forced the girl to drink bleach and sat on her until the child died, a police detective said.



The girl's 9-year-old brother was forced to watch the attack, Detective Warren Cotton testified Thursday in a preliminary hearing for Tunisia Archie, 31.


Archie is charged with capital murder in the asphyxiation death of her daughter Jasmine. If convicted, she could be sentenced to death or life in prison without parole.


Cotton said Archie, who has been jailed without bond since shortly after her daughter's Nov. 26 death, told authorities she was disturbed because "her daughter told her that she was no longer a virgin."


She said she poured bleach into Jasmine's mouth and the child vomited, he said, then sat on her until she stopped breathing, Cotton testified.


Archie forced Jasmine's 9-year-old brother Jacorey to watch the attack and "told him that if he shed a tear that she was going to kill him, too," Cotton testified.

[mhr]

1. Another DU Thread Here - Same Topic

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1496438

[XanaDUer]

2. !

:wtf:!!!!!!!!!!

Although I don't see anything about her doing it for Jesus?

[Syrinx]

3. where does the article mention anything about the Taliban or Jesus?

[XanaDUer]

4. I'm not seeing that, either.

Is there another page to the article that I'm missing?

[lenidog]

6. Its not there

Proudtobe just made an assumption which isn't backed up by the story. I mean people can do such things without being religous. The woman can be just insane. I am in way hoping that is the case because I can't see any rational person doing that.

[sandnsea]

8. I never understand this

You don't see a rational person doing this? Well duh. There's legal insanity, sure. But because a person doesn't fit some convoluted definition of insanity, it automatically means they're rational??? People who do things like this are mentally disturbed. It ought to be a given and I will never understand why it isn't in this country.

[lenidog]

9. You make good points

But rational people can do monstrous deeds. Its a different type of event but I recall that before Adolf Eichmanns trial in Israel they sent in the psychologist to make sure he was sane. He seemed to be sane to the authorities but they had that doubt that any rational human being could sign the orders doing what he did. The shrinks came back saying that he was totally sane and rational and that scared them more than if he was mentally ill.

[sandnsea]

13. I think of Bush

Is he sane? Honestly, I doubt it. I sincerely think he's a sociopath. So he's doing some pretty horrendous things, in my book. I bet he wouldn't get diagnosed as mentally ill, due to politics more than anything else. But I still say he exhibits plenty of traits that point to him being a sociopath. I say that with some professional background, although I'm not an MSW or PhD.

Take that out to people and politicians who support some of what he's doing. Are they mentally disturbed or just misguided? Do they fully understand the consequences of what they're signing off on? It's easy to become brainwashed, for lack of a better word. Not mentally ill, but not in their normal right mind either. It's gray, for sure. I'm not excusing the holocaust, by the way.

But this is completely different than an individual committing a horrendous act themselves. Nobody in their right mind would pour bleach down their child's throat. To me, it doesn't matter whether there's a diagnosable mental illness or not. In fact, figuring out how the mind allows sane people to do insane things is as important as treating classic mental illness. How does that slide happen? Are there identifiable markers?

We miss alot of opportunities to help people with our revenge oriented "justice" system.

[supernova]

5. The woman is obviously mentally ill

and has probsbly always abused her children. We just didn't hear about it until it was too late.

This is the second time I've seen this article, and it doesn't mention religion anywhere.

[LibertyorDeath]

7. What kind of sick fuck would do this to their own daughter

and make their other child watch.

Truly fucked up beyond belief.

[GreenPartyVoter]

10. This is heartbreaking! :^(

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[Tacos al Carbon]

11. Yet another example

of blatant and apparently permissable anti-Christian bigotry on DU. If this was "mother kills daughter for Allah" and there wasn't anything in the article to back it up (as there isn't here about Jesus) the thread would have gotten a few dozen alerts and been locked in nothing flat. Anti-Christian hatred and bigotry, however, is obviously A-OK.

[Syrinx]

12. you right, of course

And if this happened in New York, Boston, or LA, it wouldn't be treated like this either.

[liberalhistorian]

15. I understand what you mean,

but as a Christian myself, I've never felt unwelcome here or felt a blatant, permitted hatred of Christianity. I think it's the fundamentalist theocratic wingnuts that want to turn this into a theocratic police state that they're really against.

[Syrinx]

17. but there is no reason to think this murder had anything to do w/religion

Absolutely none. But that's the way this story has been treated here (and not just in this thread).

[Rowdyboy]

16. Why bother with facts, when you can invent a story more to your liking?

I did a google news search in NOWHERE in any story of the subject is there ANY mention of religion. None. The poster invented this because its more fun thanthe actual story and it gives him/her a convenient whipping boy.

[mhr]

18. I Am Not Anti-Christian, I Am Anti-Fundamentalist Brainwashed

Bush Voters!

Religion is something best kept between YOUR ears.

It is not something to be shared with others that DO NOT AGREE with YOU.

That is the reason that so many here appear to be anti-Christian; they are tired of having the "Religion Thing" beat over their brow at every turn!

If you want to have a faith, keep it to yourself.

Public professions of faith have no place in the public policy of a multicultural nation that must accommodate all faiths.

[Tacos al Carbon]

21. Public professions of faith

is FUNDAMENTAL to most religions and neither you nor anyone else, including the government, has the right to tell ANYONE to keep their faith to themselves. How dare you?

And, for the record, I am an atheist. Have been all my life and am so today after many years studying and considering religion, both on my own and formally. And yet, somehow, I manage to be an atheist and not be a bigot against people who believe differently than I do.

BTW, where is your evidence that this woman voted for Bush?

[Cleita]

14. I often wondered when saner minds should step in

when there is indications of child abuse by a child's mother. I'm sure there were signs that this mentally ill woman was abusing her children. Why can't there be intervention to get her the help she needs before tragedies like this happen?

Just where does one draw the line when it becomes obvious that some parents are incapable of raising their children and keeping them safe, even from themselves?

[Withywindle]

19. What I want to know is...

...who did the girl have sex WITH? At 12? Statutory rape for sure! Teacher? Mother's boyfriend/husband?


I hope this doesn't come off as "blaming the victim," that is NOT my intent. I mean to ask, who was watching out for this child? No one, clearly! I'm sick of hearing about children being victimized TWICE--once when they're sexually abused the first time, and again when they tell someone about it and are blamed for "having sex"!

[Maine-ah]

20. this title should be changed

no where in this story does it have anything to do with religion. She is a sick person and she should be put away for life and receive some form of mental help.

[Moderator]

22. Locking...

This title is misleading and bigoted (and inflammatory), since "Jesus" or anything Christian, is not mentioned anywhere in the article cited.

Thank you for your understanding.
-DU Moderator.