Convicted Christian Torturer "I've been bad-mouthed about my religion"

[OutsourceBush]

Graner said he was troubled by the public perception of his character. "I've been bad-mouthed about my religion -- that I'm not a good Christian," he said.

Duh! Ya think?
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&e=1&u=/nm/20050115/ts_nm/iraq_abuse_dc





Photo 1 and 3: Garner
Photo 3 an 4: his ho friend Lynndie England

[Dookus]

1. From my experience

he's a good christian.

[RevCheesehead]

25. I'm sorry you've had such bad experiences.

Christians are just like everybody else - we have assholes, too.

[punpirate]

2. This boy is in...

... serious denial.

[Rick Myers]

3. Pope Urban II would have been proud of him!

:grr:

[Cocoa]

4. He's a Boykin Christian

Boykin, the general in charge of intelligence, also a fundamentalist Christian who speaks at churches, in uniform, of the Iraq war as a religious war.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

5. The new improved "American Christian."

What a sick fuck. Look at that grin.

[Jackie97]

22. His explanation for the grin.

He apparently had to convince himself that some of it was funny to mentally deal with the insanity of having to follow out an order like this.

I'm telling you all. Something has to be done about this blind obedience crap that they teach in the military. Having a military isn't bad. Having an ideology of blindly following orders is dangerous.

[gratuitous]

6. Just a poor, misunderstood torturer

Cry me a river, Mr. Graner.

[TWiley]

7. He is a great example of the christian fundies I know.

Many have told me that we should just level the whole place and start over, or something similar and of equal value.

I am constantly amazed at the number of the fundamentalists who sincerely believe that Saddam supported Bin Laden, and that both were involved in the WTC attack.

Yesterday, I pointed out that we had given up the search for WMD, and that none were found. I received a ferocious response. Evidently, they have some kind of proof that WMD were found, and that the "Liberal Media" was covering it up.

I remain amazed at the power of the religious community to maintain such falsehoods in the face of so much evidence.

[stanwyck]

9. My fundie co-workers are blood-thirsty

take no prisoners war-mongers. No "love your enemy" or "that which you do to the least of these, you do unto me" for them. I asked one day if they knew how many Iraqis had died during the war...innocent Iraqis. The answers were "not enough" and "it just doesn't matter." And these are the people who hold prayer meetings at work and insist on evangelical speeches at company dinners.
Meanwhile, my office mate, lives being a Christian. He's fair, concerned for all people, and doesn't broadcast his faith. He doesn't have to; he lives it every day.
(plus, I have a suspicion that he's read the entire Bible, not just bits and pieces.)

[OutsourceBush]

14. I think we are seeing why American Christians are so disliked

around the world. Growing up I really never thought that much about the hateful stuff I heard them saying. For instance, many I knew called blacks the 'N' word. They called Arabs 'rag heads'. They always seemed to like the idea of a grand nuclear war. Most of these people really are sick bastards with a cartoon educated idea of the world.

[seaj11]

18. Kudos to your true Christian friend.

It's refreshing to see that. "Asked if he regretted abusing prisoners, Graner paused, then said: "Maybe you missed that there's a war on. Bad things happen in war.'"

:wtf: :grr:

[Solly Mack]

8. Could that fuckwad be any lower?

He tortures humans and then frets over his image as a Christian?

Dude, get a clue, you're scum. That's your image...scum. slimy nasty scum.

[immoderate]

32. You get what you pay for.

Does this raise any questions about the all volunteer army?

--IMM

[TankLV]

10. He's luck he's allowed to live for all the harm he has done.

He should be thankful that is all he got.

[bipolarity1]

11. What a

WHACK!!!!

[vixengrl]

12. I missed the "Blessed are the torturers" part of the Beatitudes.

:eyes: This guy hasn't really faced how screwed up what he's done really is.

[Liberal In Texas]

13. When he gets out O'Reilly will have him on

and beg someone to give him a job.

And someone probably will.

[saltpoint]

15. Just one opinion here, but it seems as if Mr. Graner --

-- doesn't quite grasp the spirit of Jesus' ministry.

Some of his actions at Abu Ghraib appear to run, well, contrary to the spirit of gentleness and inclusion as set forth in the gospels.

----

These are the people representing us in Iraq? No wonder the world hates the United States these days.

[two gun sid]

16. Tell it to prison Chaplin, asshole.

I'm so tired of these stupid fucks playing the victim. Now that Graner has been found guilty it is time to go after the Bush Administration for authorizing torture.

[Disturbed]

17. As the Silverspoon Sociopath- Pres., this guy..

believes that he has done nothing wrong.

Christian values, indeed!

[Jackie97]

19. Awwww.

Sorry Graner, but you're going to Hell if the place actually does exist (unless God really is forgiving like crazy).

Something has to be done to reform the military. Everytime a crime happens, it seems like they were just following orders. Why the heck aren't the superiors being put on trial?

Troops need training in law and mental ability as much as they need physical training. They need to know when it's okay to say "No" to their superiors.

It's a double standard. Troops are told to BLINDLY obey their superiors, but yet will be locked up if they do so in some cases. They need to be mentally empowered. They need to have some sort of mental training given to them to have a good idea of when to say no to an order.

I know all militaries are like this and always has been. That doesn't mean things can't change.

[matt819]

20. Hey, ease up. He was just following orders.

Has a familiar ring to it. Where have we heard that before?

[alexisfree]

21. He is a good christian, does what he is told , rolls over, and plays dead

when order. Good dog.

[RevCheesehead]

24. You mean soldier, don't you?

I'd hate to think you were associating me with that guy.

[Jackie97]

23. In the defense of Christians.

I do not believe that the majority of Christians support this horrible behavior.

Christianity is like Islam. They both have their seriously messed up and insane people in there.

Fundamentalists are what needs to be watched out for the most, but even most fundamentalists of both religions aren't crazy nuts.

[TWiley]

33. Welcome the new Christian Taliban.

I would hope that you are right. There is one messy little point to contend with however. There has been NO organized Christian opposition. The only public Christian response had been in support of the bushtapo and its foreign policy.

The image of a majority of "majority" of Christians silently ignoring the atrocities of the New-Right does not sit well either.

The world has had enough of the American religious communities "moral elitism, and divinely ordained to judge good and evil" horse-shit.

If there is a "majority" out there somewhere, then it is time that a "genuine" Christian leader rise up from all that filth and provide a loud public voice.

Failing this, the "majority theory" is a moot point. Or should I say, I Muted point.

My hopes are with your viewpoint. I do wish it were true.

[poe]

26. The Christians I Know....

Jose M. Tirado a Buddhist living in Iceland writes:

"None of the Christians I know here think George Bush is anything but a boor and a bully, fearing him much more than any tin pot dictator the US supports then disposes of with growing fickle regularity.

The Christians I know oppose war, and regard it as evil. period.

The Christians I know don't think there is anything admirable about guns or militarism.

The Christians I know are by and large socialists believing that poverty should be eliminated, hunger eradicated and that social equality should be the primary purpose of having a government."

To view the entire article go to www.counterpunch.org/tirado01142005.html
Perhaps another article could be written 'The hunter I know' by a Canadian. I'm not a gun owner but I know Canada has more guns per capita than the US and a tiny rate of violent crime comparatively speaking. Perhaps it is the American culture that is fundamentally sick and we see it magnified in The disgusting Mr. Graner. But let us also keep our primary focus on the war crime from which all others emanated, the invasion itself. IMPEACH DICK BUSH and DONALD WOLFOWITZ.

[TWiley]

34. The problem is with Americanized "Christianity"?

The "American" contribution to the worldwide practice of Christianity is vulgar Televangelism.

Instead of importing goods from China, we need to be importing the morality of good Christians from other nations. This imbalance represents the largest, and our most important deficit.

[OutsourceBush]

40. yup

[BiggJawn]

36. But Tirado lives in Iceland.

We live in Murka, and "our" Christians, the more vocal ones, anyway, are what has been described as "bloodthirsty".

Go Figure. They serve the God of the Old Testament, who, face it kids, is a pretty foul-mooded bloodthirsty fellow Himself...

[mitchum]

27. There are a number of people who I could coldly dispatch...

and sleep like a baby, but I could never torture ANYONE. I guess that means I'm not a Christian, Brother Graner.

[jdj]

28. No shit. A good Christian would've gotten away with it.

[Biased Liberal Media]

29. Cry me a river

I'm sick of these hypocritical people who play the "poor me" card.

What he did was criminal and frankly I think he should have gotten 20 years for it.

I wonder how he'll like it if someone sodomizes him in prison?? I don't wish that on ANYONE...not even him, but it could happen. I wonder if he'll change his perspective then?

[genieroze]

30. You gotta be f-ing kidding. He has the same Christian morals as * does.n/t

[richmwill]

31. I pray...

...for the day when Graner has to give an account of his deeds on earth before Jesus (as most Christians believe happens when a person dies). If I'm on the line behind him, I can't wait to laugh when Jesus pulls the lever and the floor bottoms out from under him, sending him to his new permanent home, as Graner screams "Wha..? NOOOOOO!!!!". I'll bust a gut laughing, I swear.

[BiggJawn]

37. No Lever...

[xchrom]

35. he's a conservative christian.

and there can be no good conservative christians.
not possible.

those pictures are simply an outward show of their inner character.

[Toucano]

38. You're absolutely right.

"Conservative" and "Christian" are incompatible terms. One has to be either one or the other.

Like a vibrant vacuum, Conservative Christians simpley don't exist.

[OutsourceBush]

42. I think you are right

They must have a daily torture chamber going on in their own mind, which makes all of this acceptable.

[DemonFighterLives]

39. Such a gooood boy.

Anyone mistaking this evil f*ck for a Christian has a lot to learn.
He so gleefully carried out any torturous and sadistic things and actually him and lyndie seemed to get off on it. They even copulated over it. This kind of freakish behavior used to only take place in Hell. Have we passed the rapture already?

[American Tragedy]

41. Apparently so. Senators said that photos showed England naked

having sex with several military guards, including Graner, sometimes in front of the Iraqi prisoners. And they knew that this was being photographed. I wonder if the soldiers were ever concerned about the scrutiny?

[President Kerry]

43. well Charles,

all I can tell you, is your Sunday school must've prepared you well. Have fun in jail! It's only 10 years - it'll only seem like an eternity when you get the same treatment you meted out!