This Is F**King SAD! Iraqi Children Throwing Rocks At US Tanks...

[leftchick]

Now where have we seen this before? I don't suppose Faux News has shown this today on the 'Happy Iraq' segment?

:grr: :( :cry:



Iraqi children throw rocks at a U.S. Army armoured vehicle in the Shi'ite neighbourhood of Sadr City in Baghdad January 16, 2005. Iraq (news - web sites)'s elections will be legitimate if roughly half the Sunni Arab minority votes despite threats of violence, a leading politician in the Shi'ite alliance expected to dominate the polls said on Saturday. REUTERS/Stringer

[Straight Shooter]

1. We've lost. eom

[leftchick]

2. We lost before the first bomb was dropped...

:(

[Donald Ian Rankin]

59. I'm not totally certain of this.

I desperately want to think that powerful countries that respect human rights invading weak ones with oppressive leaders can work.


I think Kosovo is probably in a better state now than it would have been if Nato hadn't attacked Serbia, until I saw what was actually happening there I was in favour of the invasion of Afghanistan, and if I hadn't seen what had just happened in Afghanistan I would have been in favour of attacking Iraq - rightly or wrongly I still don't know.

It's admittedly harder to improve the situation in a country where a large proportion of the population believe that your country is inherently satanic than in one with which they don't, but I would like to believe that if far more emphasis had been placed on avoiding civilian casualties, and if an order of magnitude more had been spent on reconstruction rather than destruction (my impression is that hundreds of millions have been spent on the former, and tens of millions on the latter - is this right?) then the net effect of the invasion would have been good.

I *do* believe that even if Iraq was impossible to help by invading, by virtue of its internal tensions and culture, the same is not true of many other countries with rulers as bad or worse than Saddam Hussein was.

[alittlelark]

68. It seems we should have invaded Saudi Arabia first.

No respect for human right, repressive gov't - oh, and that 9-11 thingy..........

PUH-LEASE..... NO country should unilaterally invade another in order to steal their resources. It leads to massive retaliation from those being invaded. In the instance of children, their retaliation is throwing rocks.

NATO was w/ us in Serbia, and we did fairly well. The 'Coalition of the Payed Off' has done us NO GOOD.

Do you also believe the UN is evil??

[Donald Ian Rankin]

92. I quite agree

that no country should invade another in order to steal their resources, but it would have been perfectly possible to invade Iraq without doing so. Unilaterally invading another to remove an oppressive regime *and replace it with a better one* is what I would like to see more of, but while the removing part is easy, the replacing part is much more difficult, and in Iraq it hasn't even been seriously attempted.

And no, I think the UN is depressingly toothless, in that it is completely incapable of preventing America launching invasions of whovever it chooses, by virtue of not having an army, and it is sometimes too unwilling to condemn countries like Israel and China, or to back up its condemnations with sanctions, but that it's definately the best thing on the table, by a long way, and I think the way to improve it is to give it more power, not less.

An international body capable of intervening consistently to prevent human rights abuses is one of my dearest political dreams, but one that does so inconsistently is still a lot better than nothing.

[Dangerman]

99. Think again!

"Unilaterally invading another to remove an oppressive regime *and replace it with a better one* is what I would like to see more of,"

Tell that to Castro!

We should not invade Iraq for any reason at all!

Bush lied to us into war, and we should not have set foot on Iraq in the first place for whateever reason!

[Donald Ian Rankin]

101. Arguably not,

as I've said - the hostility of the Iraqi populace to America means that it may well have been impossible to do good by invading it, but "America should not have invaded Iraq" does not imply "America (or Europe, Australia etc) should not invade other countries".

[PassingFair]

109. You must be tiring under that..

white man's burden of yours.

By all means, take a load off. But don't dump it here.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

131. That's not a rebuttal.

It's not even an attempt at a rebuttal. It's simply a gratuitous insult.

Yes, *of course*, "does one country have the right to intervene in another countrys affairs, rather than letting it pick its own course" is a question I have considered, and I think it's possible to make a case against it, but the counter argument that I find overwhelming is that for intervention to be even considered under the criterion I'd like to see, it would have to be be being governed not by the will of it's populace, but by a dictator or similar, so that it would not be the people out of whose hands control was being taken.

Race has nothing whatsoever to do with it. I suspect that by the time anything like this could possibly be feasible, the invading countries are as likely to be places like Japan or India or South Africa as they are to be America or Europe, and the example I was holding up of a succesful invasion was of Kosovo.

[WillieWoohah]

132. That argument cuts both ways, and is a cheap shot anyway

"You must be tiring under that white man's burden of yours."

Would you have been in favour of intervening in Rwanda to halt the genocide of the minority Tutsis by the majority Hutus? Remember:

- Rwanda posed no threat to America or any European nation, or even to it's neighbours (other than the disruption caused by refugee flows)
- The majority of the Rwandan population would have opposed intervention.
- Someone would inevitably have spun some theory about how intervention somehow benefitted US economic interests.
- There would inevitably have been civilian casualties.
- There would have been US/UN casualties, possibly 100s/1000s.
- We would have gotten bogged down trying to reconcile conflicting tribal tensions in the country
- Most likely there would have been some kind of torture/abuse scandal somewhere along the line (as there is periodically with UN troops all over the world, they just don't tend to make the headlines)

Despite all these factors, I still think it stopping genocide is a moral imperative, and we ("we" = the world, acting through the UN) should have intervened in/invaded Rwanda to put an end to it. And I think the real reason that we didn't is because those in power don't really care about 800,000 dead black Africans, whereas 100,000-200,000 dead white Eastern Europeans in Yugoslavia demands attention. Racist double-standard? You bet.

So don't be so quick to accuse everyone who supports armed intervention of being a racist white colonialist. If you stand by and allow mass murder to take place without intervening you are complicit.

BTW, Kipling's poem of the same name has a lot of lessons that could be applied to Iraq.

[PassingFair]

135. What has Rwanda got to do with Iraq?

"So don't be so quick to accuse everyone who supports armed intervention of being a racist white colonialist. If you stand by and allow mass murder to take place without intervening you are complicit."

We didn't "stand by and allow mass murder to take place" in Iraq, we put the scoundrel in there and supplied him with weapons! When he went the way of the Euro, that meant war.

Anyone who believes that we invaded Iraq to "free" the people from Saddam Hussein is an idiot. Plain and simple.

WE yanked the inspectors out so we could "shock and awe".

We truly are shocking.

[Clark2008]

10. Poor kids - we've lost them and they've lost everything.

Bless their little hearts.

Kids are kids, the world over, and deserve better than to have tanks and armored vehicles rolling down the street.
Hug your child today - if you have one.

[captain_change]

3. Minor Point

This is a Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicle, not a tank

[Eric J in MN]

7. What is the difference between a tank and a "fighting vehicle?" nt

nt

[captain_change]

12. Difference

IFV (M2) has a crew of 3, Commander, Driver & Gunner, Carries a six man Infantry Squad for dismounted operations, Armed with Tow missiles and 25 Mil Chain Gun and a 7.62 machine gun coax to chain gun. The Scout version (M3) has firing ports for the two mounted scouts. Weighs about 33 Tons combat loaded

An Abrams M1A2 Tank has a crew of 4, Commander, Driver, Gunner & Loader. Armed with a 120mm Smooth Bore Cannon, two 7.62 machine guns (coax to main gun & loaders hatch) a 50 cal machine gun in the Commanders Station. Weighs about 70 Tons loaded

Here is a good web site http://www.army.mil/fact_files_site/

[Eric J in MN]

22. Still seems to me like a tank with more passenger space (nt)

nt

[meppie-meppie not]

14. 20 million? n/t

[DrWeird]

25. bragging rights.

"Ha! Ha! I know a lot of useless military trivia! Way more then you!"

Funny how the same people couldn't see that Iraq was going to be a quagmire before we ever got there.

[I Clenis]

89. Cool

A non sequitur based on an assumption. Add in belligerence and you hit the trifecta.

[JohnLocke]

53. Good link here

"IFVs have less armour and a smaller main gun than Main Battle Tanks or MBTs but they sometimes carry heavy missiles which have a greater range and greater explosive power than projectiles fired by Main Battle Tanks."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infantry_fighting_vehicle

[leftchick]

11. BFD...

do you think that matters to the children? :eyes:

[captain_change]

13. No

But as a former armor officer, I find it annoying that people refer to everything with a track as a tank, it impacts the writer's credibility

[DireStrike]

15. Yeah I see your point.

Makes it seem like they're inflating the claim to those who know.

Unfortunately not very many people DO know. Most people think Tank = (Armor + track + gun + doesn't look like a car/truck.) You can risk losing your target audience if you get too technical.

I think "armor" or "armored vehicles" would serve better in most cases.

[leftchick]

19. please tell me...

are there weapons on the armored vehicle? Or does it Merrily roll along not hurting people?

[NuttyFluffers]

93. perhaps being an armored vehicle it's made of sugar and marshmellows

and with all the flowers being thrown at us looks like we're gonna have a parade of colorful floats soon enough!

oh wait, that's just nonsense! :dunce:

i'm for proper use of terminology as well, but... timing people, timing. now really isn't the time. it sounds too much like, 'we aren't using napalm (tm)! we are using a different brand that does pretty much the same thing, but bigger, better, more! ... now with 30% more death in each ordinance :D'

big picture people, big picture... the details and nomenclature can wait a while.

[leftchick]

100. Naplam is now called Whitey Pete!

how special is that? ... the results are the same, burned flesh and painful death!

:puke:

[Solly Mack]

26. I refer to everyone in the GOP as dumb motherfuckers

I bet that annoys them too.

I could be technical and call them republicans, but I can't tell the difference between a republican and a dumb motherfucker.

Referring to them as either wouldn't change the content of whatever particular point was being made.

If people were throwing rocks at dumb motherfuckers, the point wouldn't be that the dumb motherfuckers were republicans...hmmm...on second thought...

maybe it would. :)

[leftchick]

39. lol!

Go Solly!... :)

[Solly Mack]

55. ;)

I guess he didn't like my funny.

[captain_change]

61. I just read it

My last thought on this, knowledge helps in a discussion. Point being that since this is an IFV, not a tank, you are viewing the back end where the doors are (although the turret is traversed over the rear deck). Since the Driver & Commander has zero to limited rear view when buttoned up, It could be deduced that the vehicle is leaving the scene, not coming toward the children. But, I guess I am just a "dumbass"

[Solly Mack]

62. Coming or going doesn't change the rock throwing aspect

abrams, bradley, or paladin doesn't change that either


rocks are being thrown at the vehicle. period.

what type of vehicle had no bearing.

[captain_change]

63. fine

I don't have the patients for this, after dealing with my wife's right wing family all weekend, I get flamed for stating something (that happens to be correct)in community I thought shared my liberal views. I don't post much; work, family etc. gets in the way of posting "Kick" a couple of hundred times a week, I guess I need to find another forum to weather the next 4 years, DU appear to be dissolving into a group of petty tyrants

[Solly Mack]

64. Feel better?

Cause I got a blankie you can borrow.

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[Solly Mack]

67. Thank you

[Stella_Artois]

90. Thats a shame

In an environment where the American government plays fast and loose with the facts it is dissapointing that someone with subject knowledge would be disparaged for presenting factually correct material.

"its all the same to me" was the same argument put forth for those 4 sarin gas shells used as IED's.

"its WMD, its all the same to me" said the neocons as they justified their war.

[Solly Mack]

91. Yawn. Nice spin

The type of vehicle held no bearing on the point of the OP. Which was..rock throwing at military vehicle. The person could have pointed out the various types without saying "nothing annoys me more" but tracking that aspect wouldn't be in keeping with your agenda, so you ignore it.

The only way the type of vehicle would have mattered to the original point (rock throwing) would be if the OP read "tank goes after rock throwers"

See? In my example, which would then be similiar to the examples you gave, knowing what vehicle it actually is could up determine what the picture really depicted. If you know the difference, then you can tell the difference in front and back of a military vehicle. Making it eaier to say whether or not the vehicle was coming or going.

As it stands, your examples don't relate to the point at hand.

Thanks for playing at home.

[Stella_Artois]

104. Yeah, i'm one of a kind i guess

I like my information to be correct.

Its a tank / its not a tank

Its WMD / its not WMD

That kind of thing.

Call me picky.

[DrWeird]

106. What WMD?

nt

[Solly Mack]

122. You belabor an already moot point

with fallacious arguments.Unfortunately, you're not one of a kind in that regard.

Must be tiresome.

[Stella_Artois]

127. Its habit.

Insisting on factually correct arguments always gets my right wing associates in a spin.

All Muslims are terrorists / Some terrorists happen to be Muslim. The subtle things always confuse them.

[leftchick]

130. will this do?

:eyes:

[DrWeird]

103. What 4 sarin gas shells?

You mean the 4 sarin gas shells that, in fact, turned out not to have sarin or any other chemical weapon of any sort?

[DrWeird]

65. You're a doctor too?

nt

[alexisfree]

78. amen.....

wtf!!! fucking people are dying and is more important to know the difference between an armed car and a fucking tank??...pleaaaaaaaaseeeeeeeee!!!:eyes:

[HEyHEY]

27. How Belfastian

[HysteryDiagnosis]

43. Ahnold drives several Hummers.... man, those things are tanks!! EOM

[noamnety]

77. Thanks for pointing that out

I used to work in the Bradley office. :)

Different vehicles, different missions.

All the same to the kids, of course, nobody's denying that.

[mhr]

4. Me Thinks The Bush Administration Knows This

But don't really care.

Now the American people, that is a different matter.

[greatauntoftriplets]

5. Weren't they supposed to be tossing flowers at us?

What happened?

:shrug:

[Clark2008]

8. Maybe it's rock candy

and copies of "The Stone Flower?"

:shrug:

[DELUSIONAL]

6. Those are flowers and candy

georgie porkie says so -- from his fantasy world on some alternative plane of reality.

Or he is thinking about his next war -- if he just keeps trying he might find a war he can "win". Like the businesses he ran into the ground . . . but he did keep trying to run his own company.

Then he tried his hand at being a Gov'ner -- and screwed that state up -- next he moved up to playing at being da Prez -- and he is screwing our lives up.

Is there a god -- no.

[Minstrel Boy]

9. Can you imagine what it must feel like

being the parent of a young child in Iraq today? I don't know if I can.

There must be great relief at the end of each day, just to have made it that far.

[Tinoire]

16. More pictures here. One though, even sadder

http://www.albasrah.net/images/moqawama/index1.htm
http://www.albasrah.net/index1.html


This one is extremely sad. That's some childhood we've given them. Some democracy... There's no forgiveness possible.

[leftchick]

17. very sad Tinoire! Thank you for the links...

This is a freakin motherlode of photos you will NEVER see on AmeriKan TV!

[jimshoes]

18. These kids look about

13 or 14 and it appears that they would like nothing better than to use those weapons on someone. Those hearts and minds are going to haunt us for the next 50 years.

[Tinoire]

23. Yes. Haunt us for a very long time

:(

Kids. Young kids. We managed to go halfway around the world to make entire generations hate us for our war crimes. And then that sociapath in the White House has the gall to say he should not be held accountable! That WE are the ones accountable because WE re-elected him and that since we're so obviously ok with it, no accountability from him is required. :mad:

[leftchick]

24. yep!

the unaccountable pretzeldent! I hate him!... :grr:

[fujiyama]

88. Those kids

will grow up soon with real hatred in their hearts.

This will indeed haunt us for years to come...and by the time those kids grow up, Bush will be comfortable living in retirement playing golf. Meanwhile another president will be sending more troops to continue this war on terror which will coninue into oblivion.

Forgive me. I'm feeling really cynical. I don't see anything improving anytime in the near future. I have to say, for all I disagree with Pat Buchanan he said it correctly, when he stated that Iraq would become the US's west bank.

[Oversea Visitor]

87. Sad

:cry:

[BrotherBuzz]

20. America's very own Palestine!

[leftchick]

21. Exactly....

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[DrWeird]

29. Same as every other city in Iraq.

Iraqis hating the US occupation.

Why, what were you expecting? Flowers?

[HEyHEY]

30. Yes, as a matter of fact he was

And a parade.... after all the bodies are removed from the street of course.

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[HEyHEY]

32. No-one is vilifying troops that's a typical kneejerk argument

The troops are the good guys, it's the fucking asswipe government that sent them there that we hate.

The only reason you people always bring that vilify the troops bullshit out is because you have NOTHING else. So you gotta twist and argument to vilify those of us against this stupid occupation.

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[HEyHEY]

34. It shines a bad light on the darkness of having a tank there in the first

Place. Not on the guy driving that tank.

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[DrWeird]

37. What happened to our guys in Vietnam, you're repeating.

"They love us there. We have to stay. We're doing the right thing. Stop asking questions."

You can't support the war and support the troops.

So I don't think you really support the troops.

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[DrWeird]

42. You dishonor them, by supporting the war...

and parroting the propaganda.

You can't support the troops by sending them off to die for a pack of lies.

"You are also free to serve."

Yes, and so are you. Funny how the people who support the war do so from the comfort of their own homes. As for me, I'm not going to be a part of mass murder. I don't consider "just following orders" a valid excuse for anything.

As for the problems, it's the US that's the problem, and that's where I am.

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[DrWeird]

50. They're serving because Bush ordered them too.

I doubt very few of them actually want to be there. That's why thousands are deserting. Or committing suicide, shooting cops, etc. to keep from going back.

"They all say that they are there to help."

They're saying they're being instructed to shoot unarmed families, protestors, and bystanders.

"Reconstruction" is just more propaganda bullshit. Look at Fallujah, all we've done is leveled it. Killed thousands of civilians. Look at the guy we've propped up in charge, Allawi. He's as bad as Saddam ever was. Look at the torture chambers and rape rooms the US has used. It's clear that Iraq is far worse off under the US as it was three years ago.

But of course, everybody knows that. Even the people who spread the propaganda.

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[DrWeird]

75. LOL. USA today. Opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one.

"At a Canada hearing regarding refugee status for U.S. deserters (5,500 U.S. troops have deserted thus far) servicemen gave testimony about being told to regard all Iraqis as potential terrorists, and about killing unarmed families, protesters, and bystanders."

www.eugeneweekly.com

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[Solly Mack]

54. "They all" is not a factual statement. You don't speak for the troops

Stop framing your responses as if you do.

My husband served in Iraq. You didn't. You DON'T know what "they all" think or believe. So stop acting as if you do.

You're telling people "Don't insert your ideas and opinion for theirs." Yet that is exactly what you are doing.

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[Solly Mack]

76. It's still not accurate. You can't speak for all soldiers

and you've framed all your responses with "they ALL"

when you don't know what they "ALL" think.

Now, you can speak from your experience but even your experience does not include them ALL

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[Solly Mack]

83. lmao

[Bouncy Ball]

105. Hey Solly

he's just here doing research on liberals. Check out the link in his profile.

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[Bouncy Ball]

117. I've seen the Google results on your name.

And that's supposed to change things how? It just gets worse with google.

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[Solly Mack]

123. Hiya Bouncy Ball

Yeah, I noticed. Let's wish him well in his research. ;)

[Sparkly]

60. Our soldiers are killing and being killed because

Iraqis are embarrassed?

Initially they did get flowers. Then, like any self-respecting people, the Iraqis felt embarrassed that they could not pull it off themselves.

I read that several times and I still can't believe that's anybody's explanation of what's going on there.

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[Sparkly]

86. I still don't understand what you meant

The situation is what it is today due to a series of blunders by the B* administration, one after another. Are you saying what's happening in Iraq is instead the result of Iraqis feeling "embarrassed?"

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[DrWeird]

102. LOL.

Yes, it's the fault of the Iraqis.

How dare they not be forced to participate in phony elections!

[Bouncy Ball]

107. Ding ding ding!

Just waiting for the post that clearly outlined the forwarding of a conservative position, which is not welcome here, to press that alert button.

Thank you.

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[DrWeird]

111. sounds like the typical meaningless rubbish...

one finds on your blog.

"liberals 'feel', conservatives 'think.'"

[Bouncy Ball]

114. Check out his other stuff here at DU.

GAWD. Wonder if he's finished with that dissertation yet?

A registered republican parroting right wing propaganda. Yep. That qualifies for alert.

[DrWeird]

115. Just went to level 1.

otherwise I would.

[Bouncy Ball]

112. You know exactly what I mean.

And I'm not a research "subject" of yours. Advanced search on your user name has been quite the eye-opener.

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[LynnTheDem]

133. Did that moron actually POST THAT???

TOO FUNNY!!! :D

[Minstrel Boy]

36. How's your memory? This was "Saddam City," and at the time of the

invasion, was expected to be the most welcoming of Baghdad neighborhoods to US forces.

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[leftchick]

38. um... I was told to expect flowers!

Roses etc. What we got was HATE! surprised? I am not!

:eyes:

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[DrWeird]

46. Ah, blaming the intelligence community.

Oh, I'm willing to bet the intelligence community knew just what was going to happen.

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[RetroLounge]

49. Blaming ther intelligence?

Sounds like something bushie says...

RL

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[seabeyond]

41. nuke em, nuke em all

if they cant be thankful for what we have done to their country. (in a whne) we are there to help them, why cant they see

ugliness off

[ikojo]

51. Looks like the Gaza strip

So, will the US shoot at kids throwing rocks now too?

[Revolucionario83]

52. I cant blame them

[alexisfree]

56. our kids would do the same if the russians were invading america

[Kenergy]

57. We're making steady progress in a just cause

<sarcasm off>

[Sir Jeffrey]

58. "But I 'member the TV tol' me we'd be greeted as liberaters" n/t

[BikeWriter]

69. Did you have a link for that page, LeftChick? n/t

[OneTwentyoNine]

70. They hate our Freedoms--at a very young age......

If the US was occupied I'd be throwing shit at army vehicles also.

[Sparkly]

71. Meanwhile, in Basra...

A rock thrown by a local youth flies past the head of a British soldier as the troops depart following a raid near the southern Iraq (news - web sites) city of Basra January 16, 2005.

[alexisfree]

79. there is so much hate ....

this administration awards this achievements with out thinking children is getting hurt ...and the american soldiers are dying one by one...

[H2O Man]

80. As Dick Cheney has said:

if we don't kill those fucking kids while their throwing rocks at us over there, they will soon be in the USA, throwing snowballs at cars! Snowballs at cars, he says! And now you want to question Dick Cheney? Let a fucking kid throw a snowball at your car! Plus they may have had yellow snow from Africa. We might have found the yellow snow hidden in the desert, too. How'd you liberals like a pissy fucking ice-ball thrown at yer car? Thank Dick Cheney they ain't!

[dutchdoctor]

128. I'd be LMAO if it weren't true! n/t

[Lone_Star_Dem]

82. I feel for these children.

It's their futures that are effected.

It just leaves one wondering how we can be patting ourselves on the back for "helping" the Shi'ite people escape oppression by the Sunni Arab minority.

It doesn't appear to me that they are thrilled by our assistance. :eyes:

[Darranar]

95. Are the Shi'ites supposed to love us? n/t

[11 Bravo]

96. I guess they ran out of flowers. n/t

[alexisfree]

121. Yeah they couldnt find flowers to welcome our soldiers....Lucky the rocks

were in season.

[Qanisqineq]

97. my husband saw this all the time

the Iraqi children would come to the soldiers and beg for candy. After they got some (or didn't get candy if the soldiers were out), they would walk away and throw rocks at the soldiers.

It's a sad situation. It's sad that the children are put in that situation and it's sad that the soldiers have to feel so hated all the time. It's all Bush's fault. We should just get the fuck out.

[Done]

98. Repukes complain about the Iraqi not fighting for themselves.

My greatest fear for our soldiers is that the Iraqis WILL start fighting for themselves in larger number. :scared:

[Bouncy Ball]

108. Yes, the little guy further upthread

saying this is the IRAQIS' fault would do well to remember the Iraqis didn't ASK to be invaded and attacked. They didn't ask to have their cities torn apart, their homes and businesses destroyed and their family members blown to bits.

[Karenina]

119. Here's the "unvarnished" truth...

America is the BAD GUY in Iraq. Villain, antagonist, wrongdoer, reptile, malefactor, criminal, scum of the earth. The sooner you see yourselves the ROTW sees you, the better.

You can get prickly if it suits you, but DON'T reply to me until you've looked at the pictures and researched the bidne$$ connexion$.

[Bouncy Ball]

120. Who are you talking to?

I'm AGAINST the war. I thought it was immoral from the get-go. I opposed it before it started.

[Karenina]

125. OOOOHHH!

I'm PILING ON WITCHOO Sweetiekins! :hug:

[Bouncy Ball]

126. Oh sorry!

:toast:

[orpupilofnature57]

124. Integrity,amongst the innocent, no security mom's to DRIVE them.

[DemonFighterLives]

129. Poor Children, Poor Country, Poor Us

W has wrought a disaster of the highest proportions. I can't see the election scam working over there either.

Wow, this thread looks like a freeper wasteland. }(

They hate us for our hatred.

[Guns Aximbo]

134. WHAT? No Flowers?

I thought they would be glad to see us!