Okay, here's my new theory. BFEE are working for Saudi Arabia and

[maggrwaggr]

they have been for years.

This is the picture that is starting to emerge from the dark waters for me.

It seems quite clear.

They are employees of Saudi Arabia.

Tin foil hat? Or good intuition?

My intuition's usually pretty good.

On edit: removed the "f" word because I use it too much

[leftofthedial]

1. partners in the same cartel

not necessarily working for.

[WilliamPitt]

2. Google this

'SaudiBinladen'

'Carlyle'

'Bush'

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

3. Russia is the new protection racket in SA.

http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/030905/2003090513.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/BUSINESS/09/02/russia.oil.reut/
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/6681465.htm


etc...

[ljm2002]

4. Collusion of the rich corporate elites

I think your intuition is right on, although not necessarily one working "for" the other -- working "with" one another. But I agree that observation of the facts of the last 2 years (especially as regards 9/11 and the so-called "war on terror") is explained best when one views things through a lens that includes private protectionary agreements between the parties -- the BFEE and the Saudi royals.

[proud patriot]

5. the Collusion knows no national borders or holds any allegance

to anything but $$$$ .

[Wwagsthedog]

6. PNAC an arm of Sharon's government

It seems more plausible to me that the Israelis are a driving force behind many of PNAC/bush cabal actions.

We (USA) don't usually employ Saudis but they employ us to perform technical functions in their infrastructure. These jobs include training (Vinnel Corp(Carlyle)) of the Saudi National Guard and I assume other unpublicised duties. There is also a cadre of westerners and other expatriates employed by Saudi Aramco in the oil and gas business. US military presence in Saudi Arabia was recently reduced to an advisory level present before GWI for US built military hardware. Most US military assets were transferred to Qatar and to a lesser extent, other Persian Gulf countries.

After 9/11 the Saudis became concerned with the US as a stable business partner. They have had to seek out another strong partner because of US led petrochemical consortia not coming to an agreement to develop Saudi gas resources. They then looked to the Russians who came to an agreement with them. Lets face it. The question about our uncontrolled militaristic solution to problems in the middle east such as Iraq and Afghanistan has cast us as the enemy of most muslims. Israel gained that distinction throughout the Arab world some time ago and the mess concerning the Palestinians only fans the flames of Arab hate for them and now us because of our relation to the Israelis. The only time the Israelis benefitted US middle east military/political aims in recent history was when they did not respond to saddam's missle attacks in GWI. Other than that, they have been a recipient of our largesse without giving much in return. I truely can't name anything overt and substantial.

In Saudi Arabia this year, there has been a concerted effort to find and destroy domestic terrorist cells. There has been mixed success and even though there have been some bomb attacks and gunfights, the local authorities have been achieving some accomplishments. One problem has been closing off the Yememi border to incoming terrorists and munitions.

You, of course, will observe that I am avoiding comment on any political connection between the BFEE and the Saudis because I don't know for sure who tells who what. Neither am I going to comment on who did what before and during 9/11. What I will do is repeat that based on my observation, we should be more concerned with the PNAC connection with Israel than we should be with US/Saudi ties which because of the nature of the monarchy there, are probably much more decentralized. The Saudis do not want to lose us as their friends. We have been there in large numbers until recently and have had much influence in the development of their physical infrastructure since WWII. I hope our friendship continues.

[Octafish]

7. Read this and learn part of the story.

The Bush-Saudi Connection

By Michelle Mairesse

Ancestral Voices

In 1920, under a League of Nations mandate, officials from France and Great Britain carved up vast tracts of warlord-dominated territories in Arabia into what they imagined would be nation states devoid of the complex historical, cultural, and tribal realities of the Mideast.

Instead of establishing European-style nation states, the strongest warlords quickly entrenched themselves with the aid of standing armies and spy networks. In much of the Mideast, fealty is often accorded to tribal overlords and the Islamic sects they favor rather than to the territory and people within the boundaries of the nation state. Jonathan Rabin succinctly defines the reality, past and present, of the desert sheikdoms: "The systems of government that have evolved in Syria, Iraq and Saudi Arabia are paranoid family dictatorships with ancestral roots in a single city or village." (1)

Islamic fundamentalists like Osama bin Laden make their appeals to the nation or community of believers, not to any particular nation state, although the rich and powerful among the Muslims have founded Western-style businesses and formed corporations both inside and outside the boundaries of their native countries. Because Osama himself is a scion of a rich Saudi family with wide-ranging business interests throughout the world, the split Saudi personality is most evident in him and the bin Laden clan. Osama, who calls America "The Great Satan," has done business with the infidel Americans whenever it suited him.

Throughout the eighties, when the United States assisted the Saudis in a giant military buildup of airfields, ports, and bases throughout the kingdom, many of the contracts were awarded to the largest construction company in Saudi Arabia, the Saudi Binladen Group, founded by Osama bin Laden’s father.

CONTINUED...

http://www.hermes-press.com/BushSaud.htm

[Clete]

8. My husband thinks it's the Saudis that are blowing up

the pipelines in Iraq to keep the price of oil up. He also thinks that the reason for the Iraq oil war was for the BFEE to get control of the Iraqi oil fields. This way everytime OPEC raised the price, the USA/Iraq oil company could undersell them and lower the price of oil.

Of course this blows your theory, which is just as possible and equally unprovable until someone finds a smoking gun.