Is this an unreasonable fear?

[Fridays Child]

When B*sh stole the 2000 election, I know I was not alone in my sense of foreboding that something dreadful would soon take place. Then, when 9/11--and everything that flowed from that day--happened, I realized that my worst nightmares never touched the reality this administration had wrought.

Now, he's stolen another election, and he's already signaling that he believes he can act with impunity in whatever spheres he sees fit. What fresh new hellish reality does the he have planned? Will he make the ultimate bid to ride shotgun on the world, plunging us into WWIII?

I'm scared for my children, and I'm seriously considering taking them and leaving this country. Am I overreacting?

[Vincardog]

1. No you are not

The idiot Bu$h believes that the day the last tree is cut down is the day Jesus returns. He actually believes that the faster he uses up the world the faster he can get God to return. You can not run far enough to escape his madness. The only answer is to get Congress to stand up to his Madness and Impeach it.

[GiovanniC]

19. I Do Not Think Dubya Believes That

Because I do not believe that Dubya is sincere in his "faith".

I do, however, think that this is about what it's been about since the beginning of time: gold and resources. And if we have to scapegoat God for it, so be it.

[Vincardog]

23. Search Dominionism see what aWoL believes

in short God Loves aWoL the rest of us can and will go to hell. The faster he and his use up he world the faster he can trick God into returning.

[GiovanniC]

24. It Is Possible That Some People Behind the Scenes (or Behind the Strings)

Believe that... but I honestly do not believe that Shrub is sincere in his faith, even a faith such as that. There is just absolutely too much that stands contrary to that. There may well be people steering him in that direction... But I don't believe Shrub himself sees the world that way.

He sees: $$$$$$$ POWER $$$$$ POWER $$$$$$ DADDY COMPLEX $$$$$$$$$

[Vincardog]

29. You don't see the shrub wanting to loot the world as fast as possible as

true to his faith? That is his faith. He wants to be the one that poisoned the air water and raped the land. He wants to put every available penny in his pocket at everyones expense. Greed is his faith. I think you are confusing faith with your faith just as aWoL confuses his desires with reality.

[GiovanniC]

30. What I Am Saying Is I Don't Think Bush Buys Into the Jesus Return/Rapture

stuff. I think he plays off the people who DO believe that and he manipulates them with that faith. I don't think he shares in it, however.

[Pam-Moby]

2. I can not say you are overreacting. At times I feel the same

way. I keep feeling that we need to do something more about it. But I am at loss of what to do any longer. I am emailing my senators and now calling them also these past few weeks.

[Donailin]

7. My mom feels the frustration too

She sent me an email today:

"Thursday. I'm dreading it, that pompous ass. Are you protesting, I'm not shopping, don't know what else I can do. I hate the son of a bitch. Mom."

My mom got out the vote, worked the polls and emailed everyone she knew post election about the fraud, as well as gummint officials and the media.

EVERYONE IS FRUSTRATED. This, I know

[Warpy]

3. No, but if Stupid manages to plunge the world

into a third world war, moving won't solve anything. It'll just take you all longer to die.

Personally, I think the disaster and the action of the world to cutb this little bastard's imperial ambition will be largely economic. That's bad enough, certainly. Although you won't entirely escape by moving your children out of the country, you may be able to find a place where it is less severe.

Good luck in whatever you decide. For me, I'm going to stay right here and be as big an irritant as I can manage to be.

[uppityperson]

10. Exactly. We talked about moving but nowhere in the world is safe

And we've got to continue to try and make things better here.

[AG78]

15. You can't run

It never works. The same problems people thought they were leaving in Europe found thier way to the New World. They seem to have a nasty habit of doing that over and over and over again.

[Donailin]

4. Nope, not overreacting

I have had the premonition of me and my three kids making it on foot over the mountains in Canada like Maria Von Trapp in Sound Of Music several times.

In fact, I plan on buying a hitch for my vehicle soon. I cannot shake the feeling that life as we know it is going to be dramatically changed within the next 5-10 years if not sooner. My sons are close to college age and I have trouble visualizing it, not because they're not college bound, but because some event will pre-empt it. I pray I'm wrong, but my intuition is strong on this. We will go on doing everything we should to realize dreams, but we cannot ignore reality.

We discuss this as a family, and we have a tentative plan if there is another Bush tactical error of great magnitude.

Get your visa, just in case.

[NJCher]

5. smart thing to do

I think it would be a wise thing to do to get out of this country. I think the retribution will be economic as well. Those of us who stay here will probably lose everything we own.

I'd like to leave but I can't get my spouse to leave with me.


Cher

[Time for change]

6. I don't think your fear is unreasonable

because I feel the same way, maybe even worse.

But I think that there is something worse in store than just 4 more years of Bush. If we don't expose the election fraud and stop them soon, what's to prevent them from stealing every Presidential and Conressional election for the rest of our and our childrens' lives?

[FloridaPat]

8. I agree with everyone here. I am looking at places to move to.

[deek]

9. i wish i could leave too

no other country would take us.......and give us what we need.....
my family would be a liability.....nothing to offer except our kind, loving, generous souls.....and lots of medical/supportive services needs.

good luck to you and yours.

[FlemingsGhost]

11. All fears are unreasonable.

Illusions to keep the mind busy.

[tom_paine]

31. So Jewish fears in the early 30s in Germany were illusions for silly souls

to delude themselves with?

Was my Grandmother unreasonable to escape the nascent Soviet Union because she suspected Lenin & Stalin were cut from the same cloth as all the other Totalitarian Tyrants (left and right) including the current Amerikan King George?

I guess she should have been reasonable and stayed to die with her seven brother's in Stalin's Gulags.

And that way, nobody would have called bullshit on your previous post.

[KarenS]

12. I believe your fear is justifiable

like you, it started for me with the 2000 Election,,,, the only and I mean ONLY way I calmed myself down, was to say "How bad can it get in four years?" I have been disgusted & dismayed with just how bad it CAN get,,,, our kids are grown, we cannot just scoop them up & take them somewhere else,,,, will we move? maybe. When the time is right, we will know, and do what we need to do.

[murray hill farm]

13. All of you..PLEASE...get your passports..do it tomorrow .

Do not wait...doit tomorrow!! It is such a little thing..be prepared so that if you do want to go...or if you need to go in a hurry, you will be able to do it. Get them for yourselves and for all of your family. If you never use them..or never need them..then that is great. Passports will become more and more difficult to get as time goes on...so get yours now..they are good for ten years.

[Minstrel Boy]

16. I think this is very wise advice.

It doesn't mean a stampede for the exits tomorrow. It's just part of being prepared for the worst. And preparing for the worst is pretty smart these days.

[stavka]

14. If you are really thinking it, you should have left....

Your fear is unreasonable if you have doubt...

Think of it as a lottery...

[sweetheart]

17. quite reasonable

The world is smarter than shrub, and the'll just plunge the dollar
and bankrupt him and his criminal junta. This could create very high
interest rates and a generally ugly economic period, which could last
for decades.

If you can get your kids out in to another education system and culture
now, then they'll secure jobs and grow up in a more healthy culture
that... in the absolute case, you've moved unneessarily, you can always
return the wiser.

Frankly, i think you're reacting slowly... as i left coming on 8 years
ago myself for the same reasons.. as its been obvious what has been
coming to power for some time... and that things will get many many
many times worse before they get better.

One more stolen selection for jeb and the constitution will be gone,
you'll have all the rights of a mideaval serf, with interest rates
flying, people will be made homeless and the dollar collapse will
prevent people from emigrating... so if you can do it, prepare and take
the steps of setting up finances and buying even a small place aborad,
that in the worst situation, you just put everyone in the car or on
a plane and go ... unlike lots wife, perhaps without ever coming back.

There should be a suitcase packed, i have mine upstairs, that is
ready to go in 5 minutes notice to never return. Bush has pushed us
to this, and preparedness for bush-terrorism is much more than a roll
of duct tape and a weeks supply of food.

[ElkHunter]

18. It would be easier to be a democratic socialist in Canada...

...than it is to be a liberal in the U.S. Wish we all could have that luxury of being the left opposition to liberalism as the New Democrats are in Canada. But our lot as the 'left wing of the possible' in America is to stay and fight. And on this Martin Luther King holiday this should be obvious.

[bpilgrim]

20. a coworker and i chated today about plans to get our kids out, if NECESARY

sadly, each pass'n day brings new evidence that we are only being prudent - to borrow a popular phrase with the crime familly - and we were discussing this, in a very conservitive company's marketing dept, just this afternoon that if they start the draft up we are sending our kids out the country if we have to to prevent them serving in this ILLEGAL WAR! and i wont need a lawyer to argue the case in court :argh: on their behalf or my own while their getting OUT of HARMS way...



my conservative friends no longer defend these crimminals and my republican boss - whos really a social lib, fiscal conservative (very popular these days) - often ridicules him loudly at work. he worries because he got boys commin up and he knows things ain't goin well 'over there'

he told me a funny story yesterday bout another marketing exec getting a 'thank you/note of appreciation' from the bush wh that was just 'a crude faxsimillie of a hand written letter that was apparently the SCRIPT for a FORM LETTER - lol - that us marketing dept. love to dream up ;-> but it get's better... none of the BLANKS were filled in - rofl - so it went something like...

Dear VALUED supporter, Mr. ___________

We are so glad to have met you in __________ during our fundraising visit and the substanial time, effort and cash you put into the campaing in your great state of ________

more random pillow talk...

the poor sap actually believed they cared about HIM and not just his CASH :pity:

reminds me of that quote i hear round here but always forget who said it...

'there's NOTHING healthy bout being well adjusted to a sick society'

peace

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[Fridays Child]

22. Thanks for the reality check, everyone. Tomorrow, we begin the passport...

...process. Frightening times. :scared:

And welcome to DU, DcBroad8. :hi:

[karlrschneider]

26. Yikes! Welcome to DU, this is a slow thread, just now saw it.

You sound like a veteran around here already. :D

[shanti]

27. dcbroad8

is already pushing up daisies.

[UdoKier]

25. It's not about destroying the world...

it's about enslaving the world (of course they will call it "freedom") and that includes most of us.

[earth mom]

28. I'm feeling the same way

last night I even had a dream about getting a passport. What's happening is so unsettling...some days, I'm ready to just walk out the door with my family, drive to Canada or get a ticket to the UK and leave everything behind-that's how uneasy I feel about it all. But of course, there are complications that can't be ignored: house, stuff, hubbys job that he needs to keep for 8 more years or bye bye retirement-(if there will even be a retirement the way things are going in this country!)

I agree with those who said to be ready. I plan on getting passports for our family asap and to also start saving some money-never our strong suit around here since unfortunately we're always living paycheck to paycheck. I think I will feel somewhat better knowing that I have a plan, and that I can act on it if need be.