DU? Are you CONTROLLED?

[Octafish]

It doesn't matter if you were raised on Reagan or JFK, with all DU respect, I ask:

Do you live your life FREE to think and say and do as you please?

Or:

Does your work situation require you to keep your thoughts and words, as well as your actions, to yourself?

Does your home life require censorship? Does your social life call for silence, at times? But, most of all, I ask about your professional life.

My case in point is the Democratic Party, as represented by our Senate and Congress.

It seems to me most of they are controlled in what they say. Note how Barbara Boxer's questioning of Condescenda Right caused euphoria among all who were awaiting some sign from the rest of the elected DEMs -- confirmation that, yes!, they are, in fact, vertebrates.

Few dare say: "There's something rotten in the White House. And that is George W Bush. The guy lied to us before 9-11 happened. The guy lied to us during 9-11. The guy lied to us after 9-11.

So, how come so few in Congress bring this up?

Perhaps the men and women in Congress know the consequences. Sen. Wellstone would've had a lot to say about the piratization of Social Security, let alone the Iraq invasion, eh? JFK Junior never did get to launch that political career of his.

Say! Are you free to do so in your own life?

[XanaDUer]

1. Many Americans think they are free to

say what they want on their jobs.

They are not.

[RoeBear]

2. A polite society is never free to...

...say anything they want, it wouldn't be nice; you fat tub of lard.
:)

[oscar111]

4. "a poor man is everyone's slave'.. he cannot afford to offend anyone at

all, since he is desperate for each thing he gets by purchase or gift. from landlords, stores, boss, etc.

Poverty means this is not the Free World

Poverty ends freedom

[Octafish]

5. You got that right. On paper...

... we have the right to be able to think and say what we want. Yet, almost everyone who works for a corporation would lose their jobs for saying certain things out loud.

I worked for a medical company a ways back, helping them market to doctors and nurses and so on... The local boss was the PhD daughter of a reportedly ultra-conservative fundamentalist preacher.

She knew I was a "libral" and quikcly learned to kept her mouth shut about politics around me, but one day at a birthday office get-together she started ripping Clinton a new one over the stained dress.

One by one, her sycophants on the staff chimed in and let rip that Clinton was morally unfit and so forth. This went on till my turn.

I reminded her, in front of most of our office, that even St. Ronnie and Nancy were big with child when they got married. Then I threw in how Pat Robertson knocked up Miss Whatever before marriage. And I noted how so many of the people chewing out Clinton were divorcees who cheated on their spouses.

The boss looked down, steaming. That really must've got to her. No one else said a word. She didn't take it lightly and never spoke to me again. The next day I got canned.

PS: In writing and reading this I just realized -- maybe that's what happened to her, too.

[seabeyond]

3. i say what i want almost whenever i want, buuuuttttt......

i am very diplomatic and a huge smile kindness and love, can get away with most anything. so yes. in my life, even as a child, i have been allowed to pretty much be free

just cant be any other way. doesnt do me or anyone around me any good.

work, when i did work i spoke out

kids went to a christian fundamentalist school. they all loved us so. i was the only one standing up for kerry, well two kids did too. and though the people thought we were pagans, they still loved our lite. though one man saw kerry bumpersticker and got afraid, grabbed his child a practically yanked his arm out of socket to get away from us

husband, absolutely not controlled. family, nope no control. in laws try, doesnt worked. has pissed em off for a decade. you would think they would let it go

[Octafish]

9. Keep spreading the vibe, seabeyond!

Those who know you and show signs of anger or fear are afraid. They know, deep in their hearts, that you are correct. When the Truth is known, they will be even angrier at themselves for allowing themselves to be bamboozled by the Bush Gang.

That's where the love comes in. They'll recognize where they've been seeing it all along.

[alittlelark]

6. I am a feral. I have little to no concern about the thoughts of others.

I know that which I know. I look into eyes and (almost) ignore words. I have a Stanford MBA hubby who is sliding rapidly to the left. We have our issues, but they are resolved through TRUTH. He now sends me stories dealing with the fraudulent chimp.

I care naught what others say - but I do care what they do. I am in no way repressed from proclaiming my beliefs, or the truths behind them.


PS - Barbara Boxer is my Senator... and I Love HER !!!!

[Wiley50]

15. COOL! And I don't really have a problem with you running free

in the house. I do wish you wouldn't relieve yourself in the corners behind the drawers in the dresser.
And I keep trying to tell the ignorant that you aren't related to rats. In fact, i keep telling them you hunt rats.
So what if I don't give you a three-tier cage with a little tunnel to hide in and a little wheel to keep you occupied.
You're FAMILY.
To hell with what they smell. I can't smell anything.

[Octafish]

17. I like the 'tude.

Maybe I've read too much from Tuesday Lobsang Rampa:

Look in their eyes and you know what they are.

Look between their eyes to see what they can become.

BTW: Great news about your hubby. Spreading the Truth to those who are closest often is most difficult.

[eg101]

7. And where are the Dem leaders in their support of Kennedy's clarion call..

...a few days ago Teddy called for the party to support Medicare for all and tuition free college. Almost all western industrialized nations have universal healthcare--except America.

And almost every single other western industrialized nation have low cost college--except America!

But the other high profile Democrats are keeping their lips zipped when it comes to supporting these ideas....what a surprise! I mean, the Democrats have fought so bravely for the average American ((wink wink nudge nudge!))

[Octafish]

18. Understand completely.

I believe it was Gary Webb who summed up the situation: There are two types of Democrats - those interested in reform and those interested in accomodation. Ted is on the correct side. Would that all Democrats stood with him.



From your post, I believe you do, know what I mean, eh?

[unkachuck]

8. quote from Peter Ustinov...

"In America, through pressure of conformity, there is freedom of choice, but nothing to choose from."

http://www.thinkexist.com/English/Author/x/Author_4820_1.htm

....I always liked Peter....

[Octafish]

19. Do you think he was talking about thoughts, too?

It seems we have a lot to think about, but is there really?

Many of those who work around me quote Flush Limpnut, for goodness sake.

I, too, appreciated Mr. Ustinov's perspectives. Here's something from my second Bartlett's more people should know:

"I am convinced that it is of primordial importance to learn more every year than the year before. After all, what is education but a process by which a person begins to learn how to learn?"

[Zookeeper]

10. I am courteous, but outspoken.

When it comes to politics, I believe that knowing the facts is more important than whether or not someone approves of them (the facts) or approves of me. I am much better informed than most of the people I come into contact with and since I'm comfortable with strangers, warm and friendly, I do enjoy starting conversations about current events and bringing up issues they may not have heard about.

I would be upset if someone thought I was rude or mean. I am not upset if someone thinks I am a liberal, pagan, commie, heathen, "feminazi," punk/hippie/artist/non-conformist, blue-state elitist, or whatever term Rush and Sean are using this week.

The whole Democratic party needs to get over the idea that we shouldn't take a stand because the Rethugs might not like us anymore.

[AngelAsuka]

11. And Justice...

Freedom with their exception. That has always been a sad but true set of lyrics. (Metallica)

:sad:

~~AA~~

[Robbien]

12. I believe Octafish is not talking about politics here

or at least not governmental politics.

At work, I cannot say what I believe about what some of the things my boss does. At work I cannot say what I believe about some of my co-workers and upper management. At least not at work. At work I have to follow the office politic line.

Congressmen are at work when they are in Congress. They follow office politics of Congress.

[neebob]

13. Well, I don't have to worry about getting Wellstoned,

if that's what you mean. But my professional life does require that I keep my mouth shut about politics in the presence of clients, especially those I know are Republicans. It seems pretty basic to me, but then I'm in the consulting business and not a member of Congress.

[RBHam]

14. I am uncontrollable...

Just don't tell my girlfriend Steffi...

[Swamp Rat]

16. yes

[RandomKoolzip]

20. We're all free to bitch and moan all we like....

But actually DOING something to improve the situation is still against the law. This makes us the greatest country in the world!

[donkeyotay]

21. Our freedom is a lie

As you said, "Sen. Wellstone would've had a lot to say..." but, bummer, he's dead. And they never did find out why our military was the source of anthrax sent to Democrats or why the dems (as they are happy to be called) can't get their message out or even get elected against a president who, in a free country, would have been impeached.

Not free, not.

And as to the inordinate politeness, the mealy-mouthedness of our so-called representatives, another thread had this from Jim Garrison, prophetically spoken in 1967:

"In a very real and terrifying sense, our Government is the CIA and the Pentagon, with Congress reduced to a debating society."

He also referred to the media has becoming a "concentration camp of the mind."

[seemslikeadream]

22. I think so?

· Sensational never-seen-before documents from inside the White House, CIA and other agencies.

· Reveals the documentary evidence that links US Vice-President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld to the cover-up of the death of top CIA scientist, Frank Olson.



· Explains how the CIA financed a ruthless and systematic assault of the human psyche – using a British-born psychiatrist to spearhead the assault.

· Names other world renowned physicians who were involved in the most sinister research programme ever created by any United States government – and its secret partner – the British government.

· Reveals how a woman was programmed to become a CIA assassin.

· Describes how a CIA chemist was murdered by his own colleagues after he had turned to the one man he thought he could trust – a London psychiatrist engaged in similar work.

· Reveals how “expendables” – the CIA generic name for those selected for killing – were secretly murdered after they had been experimented on in Europe.

· Describes how the CIA used prostitutes and mental patients in other experiments.

· Explains how the CIA deliberately pioneered the drug culture whose effects are still with us.

· Reveals how the CIA agent selected to monitor the experiments eventually died at the hands of a physician steeped in the methods perfected by the CIA.

· Identifies how the CIA experiments are still carried on in secret establishments in Israel and China.

· Uncovers CIA terminal experiments on Vietcong prisoners in Vietnam.

· Publishes the CIA Manual of Assassination – a shocking document describing how to commit state-approved murder

more
http://www.gordonthomas.ie/mindfield.htm

:shrug:

[Generator]

23. Off the topic a little bit

But first:

Yeah, I'm free in my own life because I don't have any boss-but my husband-hah! It's a good gig. He agrees with me mostly, and sometimes it is rewarding when he starts to come around to my more extreme views (LIHOP)

I hated working in the corporate world which I did for many years. Politics never really factored into it-but I always felt like a wage slave as I worked for big companies.

So...anyway..about the Boxer and Rice exchange..it reminds me of seeing Kristin Brietweiser on PBS NOW last year and she was simply told that Captiol Hill doesn't work that way.

In other words, you simply don't ask blunt, honest, probing questions such as "Why were the skies left undefended on 9/11?" What were you exactly doing then? Nothing so exact as that..oh no..no..no..

"You said X on this day and Y on this day..which is true..they both can't be true?" Then it's: Oh how dare you question my crediblity!

When they bring up the how dare you-you know they are full of it.

The Jersey Girls famous list of questions that couldn't even be asked!

The truth lost in a fog. Which reminds me of why I hate politics..it's just about kissing ass to get along..well that works in normal times..but when your own government starts letting it's own citizens die to further politcal causes then business as usual and being polite "we don't ask those kind of questions" is not going to wash anymore.

[poe]

24. excellent post here's an article you might like on the topic of WORK

go to ZNET and read Vandana Shiva's article about the sacredness of work. we live in indentured servitude, work is to be intrinsic aspect of your being. work is a sacred expression of who we are. let's not be satisfied with negotiating the terms of our slavery.

tell me where you got the pic, it looks yellow submarinish

[Blue_In_AK]

25. I'm lucky

I'm self-employed, work at home, my retired husband is also a Democrat, as are my three kids. I never have to interact with anybody, and I kind of like it that way. Going back into my cave now....

[txaslftist]

26. SSHHHHHHHHH !! I can't tell you.

They'll hear!