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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 11:09 AM
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Social Security: There is no crisis (website)
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nodictators Donating Member (977 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 11:49 AM
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1. Thanks for the great link
Too bad that this thread dropped of the Main Board with ZERO posts while I checked out the linked website.

Apparently the majority of DUers aren't interested in Social Security and don't mind having Bush take several hundred thousand dollars from them.

Fools!
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 11:52 AM
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2. Well maybe they are all in agreement and so have little to say on this?
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kaintuck0001 Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 11:53 AM
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3. May be no crisis, but...
any program that is old as Social Security could use improvements. If the GOP is gaining traction on the issue by claiming a crisis, I question the effectiveness of seeming to oppose any change to Social Security on the basis that there is no crisis. It might be a better Kung Fu move to use the momentum for change to propose alternative improvements to Social Security that make sense.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 12:09 PM
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4. Telling the truth is still politically wise
Welcome to DU if you are indeed a DUer.
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 01:45 PM
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7. Age alone is not a reason to change it.
Nor is the idea that the right wing is good at selling their lies.

If there is no crisis, why shouldn't we say so? If you don't see problems, why do you advocate going along with the right wing? If you do see some, what are they (other than "it's old, so it's time for a change" or "the wingers are getting traction with their lies so we should go along with changing SS" -- I mean some real reasons)?

Kung Fu isn't going to work against their machetes.
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 01:04 PM
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5. bump
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 01:29 PM
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6. of course nobody wants you to read this
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this_side_up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 02:05 PM
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8. It's not about numbers, but about virtue
It was difficult to decide what to cut

...

The Bush goal is to overhaul Social Security not because it's insolvent, but because it's wrong.

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"Existing programs have substantial undesirable effects on incentives and therefore on economic performance," Martin Feldstein, a Harvard economics professor who advised Ronald Reagan and now supports Bush's efforts, told the American Economic Association recently.
Bush's plan, although nobody likes to get very specific about it, deals with some of these "undesirable effects." As Wehner's memo notes, the overhaul works only if projected future benefits are sharply reduced -- although he claims, as many don't, that the individual accounts would overcome all of the cutbacks.

But the actual goal isn't about how much retirees have to pay their rent; it's about "moral good" and "civic virtue" and smaller government.

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So, because women tend to live longer, their benefits
should be cut more than males?

Because * said that black males die before white
males, white male benefits should be cut?

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/david_sarasohn/index.ssf?/base/editorial/1106139355241490.xml



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