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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 11:00 AM
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How important are environmental issues in this election?

Will the candidate's positions on the environment be a decisive factor in your vote?

What environmental issues are the most important to you?

How can we make the candidates address the issues of the environment?


Most important to me:

Halting the construction of new plutonium plants. (Energy Dept.)

Halt funding and support for oil grubbing, anywhere.

Support and development of renewable sources of energy.

Protection of wildlife, including designating more land for refuges, and an end to destructive logging practices that destroy species habitat.

Stop the weakening and lax enforcement of the Clean Air Act.

Stop the weakening and lax enforcement of the Clean Water Act.

Reverse any and all environmental actions that have come from this White House, including Executive Orders that exempt the Defense Dept. and others from existing environmental laws.
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slappypan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 11:10 AM
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1. unfortunately not very
Most voters do not seem to take environmental issues seriously at all. Issues like clean water, clean air, protection of public lands from corporate welfare, and a forward-thinking energy policy are a deciding factor for me when I vote, but I seem to be part of a very small minority in this regard.
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NewGuy Donating Member (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 11:15 AM
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2. Most important to me...
are the issues of clean air and clean water, followed by protection of wildlife and habitat. However, I do not believe that the environment will play a major part in this election cycle. Most of the major players on the Democratic side are not known for strong environmental stances. Also, the overwhelmingly important issues are the economy and the war in Iraq. If those do not get much closer to resolution very soon they will overshadow all other discussions.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 11:23 AM
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3. sadly, pretty much irrelevant
it's the economy


and the "war"


and the personal morality
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 11:24 AM
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4. It's the loose thread
The one that you pull and the whole sweater comes unravelled.

The environment is a stickler with alot of Republicans. No matter anything else, people know they have to have air to breathe and water to drink. Once you can pull that thread of doubt, then it's easier to pull down the rest of the house. We've got Hillary going after Bush on NYC air and Kerry going after Bush on Rove getting involved in water policy in Oregon. Plus we've got the energy bill and Cheney's secret meetings. If they can expose the Administration on these issues, that Republicans will listen to, then they lay the groundwork to show that this is the way this Administration works all the time.

At least I hope so!
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 11:35 AM
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6. I like the way you think!
Environmental issues were closer to the top of the agenda when the nation wasn't involved with the war. But,I believe there is still a great majority out there who view several of the major issues (nukes, depleted uranium in Iraq, blackouts, campaign finance) through the environmental lens. Good way to slow down or eliminate some of these inituatives (mini-nukes, bunker-busters,etc.) is to make the administration tow the line on environmental and safety regulations.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 01:12 PM
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9. We have community interest here because of a plant that is
polluting the air. I'm in a heavily Republican area. We had a citizen's meeting last week and people are not happy about the fact a plant expansion is being planned and the company has a construction permit request to build something that will add to the pollution.

People liked what I asked about and commented about at the meeting. Got several calls the next day from people who want me to run for office because I'm "articulate and knowledgeable" and "have concern for improving the quality of air here".

Then, they tell me that I need to change party affiliation to the Republican party in order to get elected here because lots of people "will only vote for a Republican". I laughed and said "then they will get a Republican but if they want someone who cares about the environment here they may have to vote for someone else."

Sheesh, don't they get it? If I were a Republican here, I'd be part of the problem. But they say they are looking for a solution yet will only vote for a Republican. Guess they don't want a solution very badly, do they.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 01:28 PM
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10. But it's a foot in the door
Start making sense on jobs and terrorism and small business and health care and they may start to realize today's Republians aren't the kind of Republicans they thought they were voting for. Only 30% are diehard Republicans. I think the rest are truly up for grabs! Maybe you're the one who can start the tideturn to the Democrats in your area. It's happened before!
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 01:35 PM
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12. Run, SharonAnn
as a Democrat, with the environment as your platform.
You may win. You will certainly elevate your environmental concerns.
You have my admiration.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 11:33 AM
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5. YES!!!
Northern California is one of the major battlegrounds in the industrial and political war on the environment. The most important issues for me personally (and I'm a professional biologist, so these issues reflect that bias) are logging and forest practices revision, habitat protection and conservation, especially old-growth forests, and water issues, e.g. salmonid fisheries restoration, return of seasonal flow volume, etc. At the national policy level the most important environmental issues to me are sustainable energy and agriculture.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 11:45 AM
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8. Thank you for your efforts mike_c
One lifetime is barely enough to commit to preserving Nature.

Your efforts are an inspiration.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 11:37 AM
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7. Very important to me...
but apparently not all that important to many others.

All this other stuff has pushed the environment off the radar screen.

Clark, Kerry, Kucinich, and Lieberman seem to have decent positions, fwiw. Dean ain't so hot, and the rest-- who knows...











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nn2004 Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 01:43 PM
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13. What's wrong with Dean on the environment?
Where does he come up short on the issue?
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 02:11 PM
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15. IMHO, Dean is great on the environment (here is an example)
Edited on Mon Sep-08-03 02:13 PM by w4rma

One of these times occurs toward the end of April, in the brown-tweed-and-blond-wood conference room of an affluent Westside law firm that is hosting Dean at a sandwich lunch for the benefit of the California League of Conservation Voters. About 50 people are sitting around a horseshoe formation of long tables, and Dean stands in the central opening, shirtsleeves rolled up and arms crossed, a halogen spotlight making his forehead shiny, while he holds forth, answering questions cogently and effortlessly for close to an hour. He discusses emissions standards and ethanol and wind farms, and he offers up something that’s absolute catnip to anyone with an interest in how politics are actually done — the forthright, ligament-by-ligament anatomy of a deal, this one involving the recent preservation of Vermont’s Champion lands, an area of 133,000 acres; a “huge” piece, he says proudly, the largest land deal east of the Mississippi.

He and his team used the NRA, he says, to neutralize the most ardent property-rights Republicans in the legislature. They then went to the snowmobilers and explained that although there would be a wilderness area off-limits to them, there would be other areas they could utilize. They used that concession, he goes on, to get the snowmobilers’ help in supporting the exclusion of ATVs: “You can’t compromise with ATVers under any circumstances, they just do too much damage to the land . . .” In other words, Dean says, you assemble the broadest coalition possible and then parcel out something for everybody. “Now, it can’t be everybody, because there’s always those on the extreme edge of the right who want to clear-cut everything, that’s their idea of sustainable timbering . . .” But in general, he says, you work with all the stakeholders, and then if one element of the coalition starts to defect, if the snowmobilers, say, try to link up with the ATVers, which they sometimes threaten to do, “you put the leverage on. You say, ‘If it’s a choice between letting the ATVs in or keeping the snowmobile people out — sorry, we’ll see you later.’ And that brings the snowmobilers back to the table . . .”

Then, somewhere in the middle of this entirely pragmatic discussion, Dean pauses, and he puts his finger on a kind of abstract longing involving a belief that there exist two strands in American politics, the one preoccupied with self-interest and the other a genuine concern for fellow citizens, and a desire for these strands to combine. He says slowly and thoughtfully, “The biggest damage we’ve suffered in the last two years hasn’t been economic, and it hasn’t even been our loss of respect in the eyes of the world. The biggest loss we’ve sustained in this country has been our loss of community . . . It’s not enough for me just to have good schools for my kid, or good health care for my kid. It’s really important for us to provide these things for everybody. That’s been the premise of America. That’s what we have to get back again.”

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/03/41/features-wolf.php
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 01:31 PM
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11. I think it could play a big part
if the media would cover the damage the Bush junta is doing to environmental protection, etc.

We're just not hearing about it in the mainstream press.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-03 02:07 PM
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14. Bush is almost anti-environment. All the Democrats are good or great (n/t)
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