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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 12:06 PM
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Remember America: Like Poppy, Bush is a CROOK!
As George W Bush "takes" the Oath of Office, remember he’s there ONLY because his old man, George Herbert Walker Bush, once headed the Secret Police as Director of Central Intelligence. Here’s proof that Poppy also was in Dallas on 22 November, 1963, the day President John F. Kennedy was assassinated -- the day the United States stopped being a representative democracy, the day that marks the beginning of the Big Lie.

Here it is in black and white:

FBI Memo from 22 November 1963. Within minutes of the assassination, George Herbert Walker Bush rats out one "James Parrot" as possibly being involved. It also states Poppy said he was in a town about 40 miles east of Dallas.



FBI Memo from 29 November 1963. J Edgar Hoover receives information from "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency" that seems to clear the anti-Castro Cubans in Miami (from where CIA assassination teams worked to overthrow Castro).



SOURCE: http://www.internetpirate.com/bush.htm

Hey, Red States America and those who voted Republican! George Bush is a crook! So is his Dim Son.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 12:45 PM
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1. Qu'ils mangent de la brioche
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 01:17 PM by seemslikeadream



"I have seen all, I have heard all, I have forgotten all."
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:16 PM
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2. "Totalitarianism is ignorance."


What Plato and seemslikeadream said.

Totalitarianism Is Ignorance

STRANGER. (...) the law does not perfectly comprehend what is noblest and most just for all and therefore cannot enforce what is best. The differences of men and actions, and the endless irregular movements of human things, do not admit of -any universal and simple rule. And no art whatsoever can lay down a rule which will last for all time.

YSOC. Of course not.

STRANGER. But the law is always striving to make one; - like an obstinate and ignorant tyrant, who will not allow anything to be done contrary to his appointment, or any question to be asked - not even in sudden changes of circumstances, when something happens to be better than what he commanded for some one.

YSOC Certainly; the law treats us all precisely in the manner which you describe.

STRANGER. A perfectly simple principle can never be applied to a state of things which is the reverse of simple.

YSOC. True.

(...)

STRANGER. And when an individual ruler governs neither by law nor by custom, but following in the steps of the true man of science pretends that he can only act for the best by violating the laws, while in reality appetite and ignorance are the motives of the imitation, may not such an one be called a tyrant?

YSOC. Certainly.

SOURCE:

http://www.strike-the-root.com/4/herman/herman2.html

BTW: I believe YSOC refers to Young Socrates.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 10:00 PM
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3. Are you calling Nobel Laureate Bertrand Russell a "Conspiracy Theorist"...
...over what he asked about the assassination of President Kennedy? Talk about logic:

16 Questions on the Assassination

By Bertrand Russell
The Minority of One, 6 September 1964, pp. 6-8.

    The official version of the assassination of President Kennedy has been so riddled with contradictions that it is been abandoned and rewritten no less than three times. Blatant fabrications have received very widespread coverage by the mass media, but denials of these same lies have gone unpublished. Photographs, evidence and affidavits have been doctored out of recognition. Some of the most important aspects of the case against Lee Harvey Oswald have been completely blacked out. Meanwhile, the F.B.I., the police and the Secret Service have tried to silence key witnesses or instruct them what evidence to give. Others involved have disappeared or died in extraordinary circumstances.

    It is facts such as these that demand attention, and which the Warren Commission should have regarded as vital. Although I am writing before the publication of the Warren Commission’s report, leaks to the press have made much of its contents predictable. Because of the high office of its members and the fact of its establishment by President Johnson, the Commission has been widely regarded as a body of holy men appointed to pronounce the truth. An impartial examination of the composition and conduct of the Commission suggests quite otherwise.

    The Warren Commission has been utterly unrepresentative of the American people. It consisted of two Democrats, Senator Russell of Georgia and Congressman Boggs of Louisiana, both of whose racist views have brought shame on the United States; two Republicans, Senator Cooper of Kentucky and Congressman Gerald R. Ford of Michigan, the latter of whom is a leader of his local Goldwater movement and an associate of the F.B.I.; Allen Dulles, former director of the Central Intelligence Agency, and Mr. McCloy, who has been referred to as the spokesman for the business community. Leadership of the filibuster in the Senate against the Civil Rights Bill prevented Senator Russell from attending hearings during the period. The Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, Earl Warren, who rightly commands respect, was finally persuaded, much against his will, to preside over the Commission, and it was his involvement above all else that helped lend the Commission an aura of legality and authority. Yet many of its members were also members of those very groups which have done so much to distort and suppress the facts about the assassination. Because of their connection with the Government, not one member would have been permitted under U.S. law to serve on a jury had Oswald faced trial. It is small wonder that the Chief Justice himself remarked that the release of some of the Commission’s information “might not be in your lifetime” Here, then, is my first question: Why were all the members of the Warren Commission closely connected with the U.S. Government?

    If the composition of the Commission was suspect, its conduct confirmed one’s worst fears. No counsel was permitted to act for Oswald, so that cross-examination was barred. Later, under pressure, the Commission appointed the President of the American Bar Association, Walter Craig, one of the supporters of the Goldwater movement in Arizona, to represent Oswald. To my knowledge, he did not attend hearings, but satisfied himself with representation by observers.

CONTINUED MUST READ FOR THOSE CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO DEMOCRACY...

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/the_critics/russell/Sixteen_questions_Russell.html



REMEMBER, THIS WAS 1964! Not you, seemslikeadream.
And not you, good DUers. This is for the newbie and the lurker
and the visitor and the invited or unexpected guest and
the curious person, like you.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 09:58 AM
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4. Contrast SS protection of JFK and Bush


Here the Secret Service rides on the car behind, leaving JFK exposed
for the ambush at Dealey Plaza.



Here the Secret Service crowds all around the crazy monkey. On CNN, they were forced to run besides the car for a couple blocks at a pretty good clip. As about two dozen flanking the car ran down the street, their black trenchcoats reminded me the capes of the Praetorian Guard.

BTW: The turn toward the School Book Depository was a last-minute route change.



This indicates an inside job -- meaning some of the government's own were involved.

Any names spring to mind?
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 11:20 AM
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5. Hmmmm...
Gimme a sec, I'll think of it...
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 06:35 PM
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7. am-BUSH
As in AM/LASH Bushed? Or was it Harriman's buddies from Wall Street? Or was that the NAZIs fighting the Commies? Or the Mafia trying to kill Fidel? Or the Big Texas Oil folk who don't like Civil Rights 'n' stuff? Or the CIA types and their weird agenda? Or the Military Industrual Complex and their nice war in Vietnam? One name was involved with ALL of these, George Herbert Walker Bush.

"Smoking Guns" in the Death of JFK

James H. Fetzer, Ph.D.

EXCERPT...

Smoking Gun *13: The motorcade route was changed at the last minute and yet the assassination occurred on the part that had been changed.

Think about it. As Chief of Police Jesse Curry confirmed in his JFK Assassination File (1969), which I discuss elsewhere in this volume, it was not until 18 November 1963 that the final motorcade route was settled at a meeting between representatives of the Police Department and the Secret Service, when it was agreed that the motorcade would take a right off Main Street onto Houston and a very sharp left onto Urn en route to the Trade Mart, where JFK~ was scheduled to present a luncheon speech. At the turn from Houston onto Elm, remarkably, the motorcade was considered over and local security was no longer provided. This appears to be such a transparent pretext for disavowing responsibility for the President's security by the Dallas Police as to be indicative of what is known in the law as "consciousness of guilt" in failing to take or in taking measures that ordinarily would or would not be taken--save for knowledge of the circumstances of a crime

Indeed, the revised motorcade route was never published in the newspapers, which raises a fascinating question, namely: How did the alleged assassin even know that the President would pass by the Texas School Book Depository in order for him to shoot him? In an interesting study, "The Mathematical Improbability of the Kennedy Assassination," The Dealey Plaza Echo (November 1999), pp. 2-6, Ed Dorsch, Jr., has calculated that the probability of Oswald and JFK coming within 100 yards of each other at random during his Presidency is approximately 1 in 1 hundred billion! This suggests an encounter by the two was almost certainly no accident, yet Oswald had no reason to know he would only have to show up for work to have the chance to shoot JFK -- and his wife even said that he had overslept! A more plausible explanation is that their proximity was not a matter of chance but was coordinated by plans about which Oswaldhad no knowledge and over which he had no control

CONTINUED...

http://www.jfkresearch.com/prologue.htm
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 11:18 PM
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12. My French is rusty, is that "Let them eat cake?"
Apres Bush, le deluge.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 12:27 PM
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6. W. has an administration full of war criminals.
Bush Cabal Plotted War on Iraq Years Ago
by Sara Flounders
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/FLO404B.html
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 06:44 PM
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8. Wonder if Bush will be tried in the World Court?
After all, he's talking about bringing democracy to the four corners of the world, the same place he was exporting death 'n' all just the other day...

US Lawyers Warn Bush on War Crimes

By Grant McCool
Lawyers Against the War
January 28, 2003

A group of U.S. law professors opposed to a possible war on Iraq warned U.S. President George W. Bush on Friday that he and senior government officials could be prosecuted for war crimes if military tactics violated international humanitarian law.

"Our primary concern ... is the large number of civilian casualties that may result should U.S. and coalition forces fail to comply with international humanitarian law in using force against Iraq," the group, led by the New York-based Center for Constitutional Rights, said in a letter to Bush and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

The group cited the particular need for U.S. and coalition forces to abide by humanitarian law requiring warring parties to distinguish between military and civilian areas, use only the level of force that is militarily necessary and to use weaponry that is proportionate to what is being targeted.

The letter, which had more than 100 signatories, said the rules had been broken in other recent wars. It said air strikes on populated cities, carpet bombing and the use of fuel-air explosives were examples of inappropriate military action taken during the 1991 Gulf War, the 1999 Kosovo campaign and the 2001 Afghan conflict that led to civilian casualties and might be used again in Iraq.

SNIP...

Ironically, Bush on Wednesday advised Iraqi officers and soldiers to disobey any orders to use weapons of mass destruction in the event of a conflict. "If you choose to do so, when Iraq is liberated, you will be treated, tried and persecuted as a war criminal," he said. On Sunday, Rumsfeld said he would favor granting Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and senior Iraqi leaders immunity from possible war crimes prosecution if it would clear the way for their exile and avoid a war.

CONTINUED...

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/attack/law/2003/0128uslawyers.htm

Couple o' interesting links:

http://www.motherearth.org/bushwanted/laws.php

(Warning: most sad and graphically violent image at the one below - violence done as national policy of the United States, believe it or not.)

http://www.thefourreasons.org/crimes.htm
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 11:33 PM
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14. Hey, Bob! Ja think I forgot the Bush - NAZI - CIA Connection?
I know it's so old hat to you...

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/germany/intro/

But to newer DUers, guests, visitors and lurkers it's probably new. Guess what? It's real.

CIA Admits

Nazi Connection


by Robert Lederman
September 23, 2000

Conspicuous by its silence, the CIA owned and influenced media did virtually no coverage of what may be one of the decades biggest stories. Only UPI issued any statement on the CIA's admission that following WWII Hitler's top general in charge of espionage transferred his entire network of thousands of spies and double agents to what became the newly-formed CIA.

What makes this mumuch more than an interesting footnote to history is that the entire domestic and foreign history of the CIA has been molded by these former Nazis whose ideas on Eugenics, race, social control, biowarfare and propaganda dominate the policies of countless "think tanks" like the Rockefeller-funded Manhattan Institute and have influenced the U.S. government at its highest levels

During the past five decades numerous isolated revelations about Nazis imported to America by the Dulles brothers, William Casey and others have broken through the media blackout. These stories usually revolve around former concentration camp guards who hid their identity when emigrating. What makes this different is that General Ghelen was the #1 Nazi in this program. By acknowledging a CIA connection to Ghelen the entire can of worms can now be pried open.

CONTINUED...

http://lederman.911review.org/CIA-923.html


CIA says Nazi general was intelligence source

UPI 9/20/2000

COLLEGE PARK, Md., Sept. 20 (UPI) -- The Central Intelligence Agency has for the first time confirmed that a high-ranking Nazi general placed his anti-Soviet spy ring at the disposal of the United States during the early days of the Cold War

The National Archives said in a release Wednesday that the CIA had filed an affidavit in U.S. District Court "acknowledging an intelligence relationship with German General Reinhard Gehlen that it has kept secret for 50 years."

"The CIA's announcement marks the first acknowledgement by that agency that it had any relationship with Gehlen and opens the way for declassification of records about the relationship," the National Archives said

Gehlen was Hitler's senior intelligence officer on the Eastern Front during the war and transferred his expertise and contacts to the U.S. as World War II reached its climax. While Gehlen's relationship with U.S. intelligence during the 1940s and 1950s has been the topic of some five books over the years, the eventual release of CIA documents pertaining to the development of his European spy ring could shed new light on the origins of the Cold War and early U.S. espionage efforts against Moscow

CONTINUED...

http://lederman.911review.org/CIA-923.html
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 07:07 PM
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9. kick
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 11:16 PM
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11. Thanks, hang a left! Didja ever see the SS guy pulled off JFK's limo?
It happened at Love Field in Dallas. The guy wants to hop on and protect the President, but he's ordered OFF. You can see the agent hold his arms up with a body language "Why?" with your own eyes in a film that's available on Quick-Time. The story's there, too.

http://www.jfklancer.com/SSoffcar.html

Secret Service at Love Field

The following text is written by John Kelin of "Fair Play" on the 1997 JFK Lancer November In Dallas presentation on the Secret Service by Vince Palamara:

"This is different angles of leaving Love Field," Palamara said, as the video rolled. Using a red "laser light" pointer, he identified various agents, and supplied narration:

"This is John Ready ... Paul Landis ... here they are, leaving Love Field ... Henry Rybka --- thinking that he's going to be doing what he just did the last few stops --- this is when Emory Roberts rises in his seat in the followup car ... and we see some hand gestures ... basically tells to cease and desist from his actions. Paul Landis is even making room for him on the followup car! And this is when you'll see Henry Rybka ... I think a picture says a thousand words, well this is about as close as you can get here ---"

And as the next image flickered on the screen in slow motion, the Lancer audience rumbled in astonishment --- the words "Wow!" and "Jesus!" leap out from my tape recorder. For as Henry Rybka is seen being summoned from his usual position back to the followup car, he issues a confused palms-up gesture that seems to say, "What gives?"

Rybka was left behind at Love Field.

"And the most amazing thing of all," Palamara continued, "is the fact that there is not one report, not two reports, but three reports after the fact, placing Rybka in the followup car! But he wasn't there! Again --- either they assumed he did hop into the car, or there was a coverup. Take your pick..."

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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 09:48 PM
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10. Kick n/t
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 11:21 PM
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13. Vielen dank, UTUSN! Didja hear about "NIXON and the TEXANs"?
THIS is how Poppy Bush became 41.

The Kennedy Assassination:

The Nixon-Bush Connection


by Paul Kangas

EXCERPT...

A newly discovered FBI document reveals that George Bush was directly involved in the 1963 murder of President John Kennedy. The document places Bush working with the now-famous CIA agent, Felix Rodriguez, recruiting right-wing Cuban exiles for the invasion of Cuba. It was Bush's CIA job to organize the Cuban community in Miami for the invasion. The Cubans were trained as marksmen by the CIA. Bush at that time lived in Texas. Hopping from Houston to Miami weekly, Bush spent 1960 and '61 recruiting Cubans in Miami for the invasion. That is how he met Felix Rodriguez.

You may remember Rodriguez as the Iran-contra CIA agent who received the first phone call telling the world the CIA plane flown by Gene Hasenfus had crashed in Nicaragua. As soon as Rodriguez heard that the plane crashed, he called his long-time CIA supervisor, George Bush. Bush denied being in the contra loop, but investigators recently obtained copies of Oliver North's diary, which documents Bush's role as a CIA supervisor of the contra supply network.

SNIP...

That is exactly how evidence was uncovered placing George Bush working with Felix Rodriguez when JFK was killed. A memo from FBI head J. Edgar Hoover was found, stating that, "Mr. George Bush of the CIA had been briefed on November 23rd, 1963 about the reaction of anti-Castro Cuban exiles in Miami to the assassination of President Kennedy. (Source: The Nation, 8/13/88).

On the day of the assassination Bush was in Texas, but he denies knowing exactly where he was. Since he had been the supervisor for the secret Cuban teams, headed by former Cuban police commander Felix Rodriguez, since 1960, it is likely Bush was also in Dallas in 1963. Several of the Cubans he was supervising as dirty-tricks teams for Nixon, were photographed in the Zagruder film.

SNIP...

George Bush claims he never worked for the CIA until he was appointed director by former Warren Commission director and then President Jerry Ford, in 1976. Logic suggests that is highly unlikely. Of course, Bush has a company duty to deny being in the CIA. The CIA is a secret organization. No one ever admits to being a member. The truth is that Bush has been a top CIA official since before the 1961 invasion of Cuba, working with Felix Rodriguez. Bush may deny his actual role in the CIA in 1959, but there are records in the files of Rodriguez and others involved in the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba that expose Bush's role. The corporations would not put somebody in charge of all the state secrets held by the CIA unless he was experienced and well trained in the CIA. (Source: Project Censored Report, Feb 1989, Dr Carl Jensen, Sonoma State College).

CONTINUED...

http://www.sumeria.net/politics/kennedy.html
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 12:01 PM
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15. "Bush broke out in assholes and shit himself to death."
From The Unauthorized Biography of George H.W. Bush

On August 5, 1974, the White House released the transcript of the celebrated "smoking gun" taped conversation of June 23, 1972 in which Nixon discussed ways to frustrate the investigation of the Watergate break-ins. Chairman George was one of the leading Nixon Administration figures consulting with Al Haig in the course of the morning. When Bush heard the news, he was very upset, undoubtedly concerned about all the very negative publicity that he himself was destined to receive in the blowback of Nixon's now imminent downfall. Then after a while he calmed down somewhat. One account describes Bush as "somewhat relieved" by the news that the coup de grace tape was going to be made public, "an act probably fatal," as Haig had said. "Finally there was some one thing the national chairman could see clearly. The ambiguities in the evidence had been tearing the party apart, Bush thought." At this point Bush became the most outspoken and militant organizer of Nixon's resignation, a Cassius of the Imperial Presidency.

A little later White House Congressional liaison William Timmons wanted to make sure that everyone had been fully briefed about the transcripts going out, and he turned to Nixon's political counselor Dean Burch. "Dean, does Bush know about the transcript yet?", Timmons asked. Burch replied, "Yes." "Well, what did he do?", Timmons asked.

"He broke out in assholes and shit himself to death," was Burch's answer.

But why, it may be asked, the dermal diahhrea? Why should Bush be so distraught over the release to the press of the transcript of the notorious White House meeting of June 23, 1972, whose exhcanges between Nixon and Haldeman were to prove the coup de grace to the agony of the Nixon regime? As we have seen, there is plenty of evidence that the final fall of Nixon was just the denouement that Bush wanted. The answer is that Bush was upset about the fabulous "smoking gun" tape because his friend Mosbacher, his business partner Bill Liedtke, and himself were referred to in the most sensitive passages. Yes, a generation of Americans has grown up recalling something about a "smoking gun" tape, but not many now recall that when Nixon referred to "the Texans," he meant George Bush. ("Das Bekannte ueberhaupt ist darum, weil es bekannt ist, nicht erkannt," as even old Hegel knew.)

CONTINUED, including a transcript of Nixon and Co's White House conversation on the subject...

http://www.tarpley.net/bush12.htm


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