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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:15 PM
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Arrest these RW'ers under terrorism charges
Arrest Tom DeLay for saying Clinton was 'wagging the dog' for bombing terrorist training camps in Afghanistan.

Arrest Jesse Helms for threatening Bill Clinton with his life if he visited North Carolina.

Arrest the people who wanted Bill Clinton gone by any means necessary.
For example:

Al Qaeda (see Operation Bojinka)

AND

The people who tried to impeach Bill Clinton using everything from Vince Foster to Filegate.
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Wisc Badger Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:44 PM
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1. I know I am going to regret this
but Clinton did lie to a federal grand jury and that can never be looked on in a positive light.

As a human Bill Clinton leaves one hell of a lot to be desired, as a politican he was one of the top 5 in US history, a mixed legacy to be sure.

I sure would not want my daughter to bring the likes of him home as her intended husband.
:shrug:
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:51 PM
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2. Bullshit, he will ALWAYS be a better human being than *
Did he send our sons and daughters to a senseless war to die? I could list a hundred other reasons, but I have more respect for him for sticking his dick in another person than fucking the country.

When your kids bring home a reich-winger who thinks the poor are a burden, maybe you'll get it.:grr:
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Wisc Badger Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:29 PM
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16. You are jumping to conclusions
without the data to back it up. Just because I said I would not like a Clinton type for a son-in-law does not defacto mean I approve of Bush (which I don't).

I just am not real impressed with Bill Clinton's honesty/integrity.

If I disaprove of Bush why should I automaticly approve of Clinton.

Truth be told Clinton made it hard for me to support Democrats when he was in charge, to slimy for my taste.

I like my Dems in the Feingold mold.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:44 PM
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20. "You are jumping to conclusions without the data to back it up"
http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2002/dec/dec31b_02.html

NINE STATES SUE BUSH ADMINISTRATION FOR GUTTING KEY COMPONENT OF CLEAN AIR ACT

http://www.bushgreenwatch.org/mt_archives/000223.php

In the latest example of this say-one-thing-but-do-another, the Bush Administration last week filed a brief before the Supreme Court designed to immunize pesticide manufacturers from paying damages when their products cause harm.


http://www.now.org/nnt/fall-2004/legupdate.html


George W. Bush and ultra-conservatives in Congress pushed through a relentless series of tax cuts for the wealthy, shrinking the federal government's ability to fund important discretionary spending programs.

Women and low-income families, who depend upon the equalizing effect of government programs, fall victims to these policies. In addition, entitlement programs such as Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, etc., now have tight spending caps. This year, Republicans proposed a spending cut of $1.8 trillion over the next ten years, which will affect Medicaid, veterans' benefits, the State Child Health Insurance Program, the Food Stamp program and others, but have been temporarily beaten back by our allies in Congress.

Bush promised at the recent Republican National Convention to "partially privatize" Social Security—a move that will undermine the financial basis of this successful retirement insurance program. Women will sink further into old-age poverty as a result.


I could go on and on. When you can come up with policies Clinton initiated one 1/4 as destructive as *, I'll listen. Until then, maybe you should think about how you are going to justify to your grandchildren why * was allowed to destroy their futures and how Clinton's penis threatened them even more.

Have a wonderful life.
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Wisc Badger Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:52 PM
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22. Where did I defend Bush???
I am against shrubs Social Security garbage, it will give my 20 year old son and 17 year old daughter the screw jobs of all screw jobs.

I also do not approve of his haphazard and lackadasical enforcement of environmental laws.

And we don't even want to touch Iraq.

But that does not mean I have to respect some of the more repellant issues concerning Clinton.

I will not lend blind allegiance to either one.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:53 PM
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23. Oh really? How can you compare Clinton and Bush???
:wtf:
:eyes:

Let us get something straight:

CLINTON LIED, NOBODY DIED
BUSH LIED, THOUSANDS DIED

Take you pick! Which one is worse?

:eyes:
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Gay Ranger Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:38 PM
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17. I don't like Bush either...
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 04:39 PM by Gay Ranger
and I am not defending him, but over a dozen of my fellow Rangers died in Somalia and I was shot there in a mission that was (in my view and I was there) a farce.

I voted for Clinton and would again, but he did have his lapses also.
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MetalFingersDOOM Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:53 PM
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4. "To err is human..."
So Clinton made a mistake... How does that make him a bad human?
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 05:51 PM
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29. To err is human....is right
To err is human....never to admit you've erred is demonic!

There's the difference between Clinton and Bush II
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:54 PM
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5. Wasn't it technically not a lie?
Granted, I'm not really a Clinton fan. He's like an old-time republican with less restraint.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:55 PM
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6. How many lies has the Pretzel King spoken?
Are you * sympathizers nuts?
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:57 PM
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8. Come on, now. Not liking clinton doesn't make me a * sympathizer.
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 03:58 PM by DireStrike
And I don't not like him because of a lie, which as I said wasn't technically a lie. Nor did I not like him because of his little tryst.

I didn't like his policies. Stop being a partisan for 5 seconds, please.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:01 PM
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9. Then is * more to your liking?
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 04:02 PM by DainBramaged
You can't be serious? 8 years of Clinton, 4 years of * and you don't like Clinton's policies?

I think your cute retort 'suck on it' is something you may want to do to a Rethug.

You don't like Clinton, maybe you should visit Hannity, I'm sure they'll agree with you there.
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:05 PM
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10. Why do you assume clinton is the opposite of *?
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 04:07 PM by DireStrike
Clinton was too far to the right. * is even farther.

I don't like either of them. I hate *.

It's not that hard to understand. This kind of bigotry hurts everyone, and is one of the reasons we don't like the other side, remember? No blind support? Remember that? Questioning and critical thinking? Independence?
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:09 PM
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13. Sure, and * is a moderate.
Peddle your crap elsewhere. Clinton gave those of us who SUPPORTED him hope. All * and his supporters offer us is dread, for our future and our children's future.

Nice try at circling back, but I don't believe your allegiance lies with us.
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:11 PM
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14. And I don't believe YOUR allegiance lies with us, mr. agent provocateur.
So get lost. Go back to free republic, your brand of thinking is welcome there.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:14 PM
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15. Go back to FR?
I think Skinner would have a laugh at that.

Like I said, I question your allegiance. You've made my ignore list, the first in almost 2 years.
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:08 PM
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12. Wow, time to hit alert.
Liberal = partisan? Good one. See you later.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:57 PM
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7. Really?
Who convicted him of lying to a federal grand jury? You say that as if a trial was had and a verdict rendered.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:41 PM
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19. I look at it in a positive light.
The grand jury had no business asking the question, it was irrelevant. I'm glad he did it.

I'd sure rather have my daughter bring home than some guy who thinks "most muslims would be just happy flying planes into our buildings."
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 03:52 PM
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3. I have already been labeling anyone who slanders Clinton
as unpatriotic and as a terrorist sympathizer. It really pisses the fundies off.
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Wisc Badger Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:38 PM
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18. I still say you can hold Clinton in
minimum high regard and still be a good standing Democrat.

I will not blindly follow either Bush or Clinton.

If you strip all the BS away from both, than it is the power they want, and they don't want to help the little guy.

Clinton was marginally better for the working man than Bush but not by much. Name me one pro-labor position of Clinton's??

Clinton was just as big a lier as Bush has been.

Can you defend Kosovo any better than Bush can Iraq, both were un-necessary.

Clinton had his own political machine set at the ready to trash any one who would go against him (or do you not remember the PI's etc).

Clinton was a good politician but I would not want him as a son-in-law, he would humiliate my daughter and that I would not stand for.

Also I served USN for 17 years and I did not appreciate the slimy way Clinton went about weaseling out of his service.

In regards to file gate I worked with raw FBI files that are used to make security clearance decisions in the Navy. Filegate was a crime, in the Navy you would have gotten you A%$ in sling big time for what the Clinton's did with those files.

Face it the Clinton's have a problem with honesty and so do the Bushes.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:49 PM
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21. I've read that same biography somewhere else.
Hmmmmm.:wtf:

I guess * served his country with honor?

You worked with raw files and you compare a witch hunt by the RNC (completely unproven)in the same vein?

You think Karl Rove is a Sunday school teacher, who hasen't destroyed anyone who speaks out against *?

Keep going. This is getting interesting.
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Wisc Badger Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 04:57 PM
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24. As a matter of fact I don't
believe that Bush served with honor or distinction (his father did though).

I was not aware that the RNC was playing with FBI files if they are it is still illegal, and how does that than justify the Clinton's doing it?

Who has been destroyed with the level of personal vindictivness by the Bush administration.

Clinton trashed Billy Dale and all he was doing was his job.

I don't think you can put perfume on this sows ear.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 05:06 PM
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26. Maybe you need to read some LEFT-leaning books to learn
Defending * here is like defending Clinton on Hannity or FR, suspect.

Enjoy the fog.
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Wisc Badger Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 05:18 PM
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28. I Tell you one book that I am definitly going to read
is Thomas Frank's "The Trouble With Kansas" if you are familiar with his thesis than you may understand where I am trying to come from.

Going from conservative to progressive at least that is the plan any way.
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Boosterman Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 05:08 PM
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27. Tell you what...take the heat off them
They have the right to their opinion. They can dislike Clinton as a man or for his policies. Theres been quite few posts today that I would say are more freeper like than theirs.

IMO Bill was an excellent politician. He got some decent things done. Thats no small task considering the situation he was in. He did what many men would do when busted. LIE.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 05:02 PM
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25. One more thing about your perception of Kosovo
Can you defend Kosovo any better than Bush can Iraq, both were un-necessary.

Let's see, Iraq-mushroom clouds, WMD, threat to America, missiles ready to launch, lots of oil and the opportunity to make billions rebuilding it, projecting Democracy, won't be a Viet Nam, protecting the population from tyranny.

Kosovo, stopping mass atrocity.


No contest. Can you defend *?
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