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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 12:44 PM
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Poll question: Hillary's plan to promote Bush's "Faith-Based" schemes is all about...
Hillary's plan to promote Bush's "Faith-Based" schemes is all about...
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 12:45 PM
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1. other - as in a reasonable approach - read the speech
:-)
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 12:48 PM
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3. do you happen to have a link.
I'd like to read it before I declare her a DINO and vow to never again speak of the good she has done.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 12:50 PM
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5. Read it and weep.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/01/20/sen_clinton_urges_use_of_faith_based_initiatives?mode=PF


It's almost as touching as when she blew off the 90% of her constituents who pleaded with her to vote NO on the IWR...
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 12:54 PM
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6. Is there a transcript of the speech?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 01:04 PM
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9. Here is a Boston Herald review - in a wk speech will be on her site
http://www.thebakerhouse.org/latest_news/Herald_H_Clinton.html

Clinton in Hub helps honor local mentors
By Kimberly Atkins
Thursday, January 20, 2005


Hillary Rodham Clinton last night praised local inner-city activists and declared that - despite the 2004 election results - no political party has a monopoly on faith-based initiatives.

``There is a lot that needs to be done and there is an unnecessary debate in our country on how to do it,'' said the New York senator and former first lady, keynote speaker at a Boston dinner honoring local people who mentor city youth.

``It doesn't matter whether it is inspired by faith, inspired by our vision, inspired by family or inspired by the threat of federal indictment,'' she told those attending the Ella J. Baker House dinner at the Fairmont Copley Plaza Hotel, which attracted some 400 people.

The Baker House, a Dorchester-based arm of the national TenPoint Leadership Foundation, was founded by the Rev. Eugene F. Rivers III.

The group's first annual awards dinner paid tribute to local leaders who have worked to assist inner-city young people. Award recipients were Boston police Commissioner Kathleen O'Toole, former U.S. Attorney Donald K. Stern, Roxbury Municipal Court Judge Edward R. Redd and Sylvia R. Johnson, associate director of the Hyams Foundation, which provides grants to support local nonprofit organizations.

``Too often it is only kids who get in trouble that get the attention,'' O'Toole said. ``I want to give attention to the kids we see in the city day in and day out.''

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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 12:59 PM
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8. Nonsense - Hillary spoke to Natioal Ten Point program - here is a
write up on what they do:


The Coalition is an ecumenical group of Christian clergy and lay leaders working to mobilize the Christian community around issues affecting Black and Latino youth -- especially those at-risk for violence, drug abuse and other destructive behaviors.

The Coalition’s goal is not to replace the local church, but to make the local church more effective in the work of rebuilding of communities. It also seeks to build partnerships with community-based, governmental, and private sector institutions which are also committed to the revitalization of the families and communities in which our youth must be raised.

The following programs have been implemented by the Coalition’s 52 church and parachurch members: street outreach programs; court advocacy and mentoring programs; economic development; health center partnerships; neighborhood crime watch support; male and female gang intervention programs; suburban and downtown to inner city church partnerships.<1>


National Ten-Point Leadership Foundation

The National Ten-Point Leadership Foundation is a non-profit organization whose primary mission is to help provide African-American Christian churches with the strategic vision, programmatic structure, and financial resources necessary to saving at-risk inner-city youth from child abuse and neglect, street violence, drug abuse, school failure, teen-age pregnancy, incarceration, chronic joblessness, spiritual depravity, and hopelessness about the future.<2>
THE TEN POINTS:

Adopting youth gangs.
Sending mediators and mentors for Black and Latino juveniles into the local courts, schools, juvenile detention facilities, and the streets.
Commissioning youth workers to do street level work with drug dealers and gang leaders.
Developing concrete and specific economic alternatives to the drug economy.
Building linkages between downtown and suburban churches and inner-city churches and ministries.
Initiating and supporting neighborhood crime watches.
Developing partnerships between churches and community health centers that would, for example, facilitate counseling for families and individuals under stress, offer abstinence-oriented prevention programs for sexually transmitted diseases, or provide substance abuse prevention and recovery programs.
Establishing brotherhoods and sisterhoods as a rational alternative to violent gang life.
Establishing rape crisis drop-in centers, services for battered women, and counseling for abusive men.
Developing a Black and Latino curriculum, with an additional focus on the struggles of women and poor people as a means of increasing literacy and enhancing self-esteem in young people.

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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 12:46 PM
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2. I voted #2. Hillary will use the same losing DLC strategy if she runs
for Prez.

If she runs for Prez, I hope she never wears a blue dress during the campaign. The Media hyenas will make mincemeat out of her by endlessly comparing her blue dress to Monica's.
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 12:49 PM
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4. Hillary, get a clue
You went back to a guy who placed smoking items in places the religious right doesn't want to even acknowledge they have. Stop thinking that by jumping on the faithbaised/gay marriage amendment bagon wagon they're ever going to throw support your way.
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 12:58 PM
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7. Exactly, I don't think she can see the real problem. Clueless.
What's pushing the orchestrated right is not religion, it's money and power informed by a moribund ideology. Shilling for a few religious votes won't get her very far.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 01:12 PM
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10. After the Powell UN speech
and before the Iraq war vote she replied by e-mail that she trusted and believed Colin Powell.

Too easy by far. What happened to Carter and to some extent her husband is by a large measure based on naive over-confidence. Somewhere the happy medium between paranoid Dick Nixon and saintly Jimmy Carter(with some conservative policy reservations) would be a competent president. Instead, it is the ultimate delusionist who has hired the master illusionists. The Dems make it all too easy by far.

The long term and wide scale destruction caused by clever lunacy being embraced by the shoddy defenders of the mythical mainstream makes fools of us all.

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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 01:16 PM
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11. Ambition. She thinks it will make her "electable".
Moving right worked so well for Kerry.
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