Seriously. They are not going to attack Iran. Right?

[Stevendsmith]

Right?

[DrWeird]

1. Hey, Hitler invaded Russia.

And he was a lot smarter than Bush.

[Darkhawk32]

2. According to Sy Hersh... it's a certainty. n/t

[jackster]

3. have you ever READ the Bush Doctrine?

If not Iran, then someone else!

[Beetwasher]

4. Of Course They Are! All They Need is Another Terror Attack!

Just you watch...

[killbotfactory]

5. Who the fuck knows what these idiots are up to

They're not in the military, what do they care if they start another war?

[MadHound]

6. Seriously, they are going to attack Iran

It is simply a matter of time. But of course we'll have another "terrorist" attack in order to whip the sheeple into a blind frenzy, the emphasis being on the word blind.

Hey, it worked before, Bushco got into Iraq that way, so why not stick with the winning strategy? Except this time it isn't going to be WMDs, it will be nukes, and Georgie will trot out his mushroom cloud rhetoric again.

[Ezlivin]

19. The clock is ticking on the next "terrorist" attack

Unless I read your post wrong, I've detected the same cynicism I have over the so-called terrorist attacks. At this juncture in history, I find myself believing it was LIHOP or MIHOP.

One of the saddest realizations is that if there is another terrorist attack, we might not get another opportunity to deconstruct it, to discuss it or to try to find out what really happened.

I fear that another terrorist attack would lead to a loss of liberty none of us have ever experienced in the USA.

[MissMarple]

7. It is entirely possible. They think God is on their side.

They will bring chaos and devastation to the world in a misguided attempt to spread democracy and save us all. Yes, they are that crazy. And there is that presidential legacy thing.

The December '04 issue of The Atlantic Monthly has an excellent article on the wisdom of invading, attacking, bombing Iran. They set up a mini "war game" guided by a retired colonel who did this sort of think at the National War College. The sum of it is that we must make diplomacy work. None of their scenarios were viable, just like the ones done before the Iraq invasion. Same story, different country.

[earthboundmisfit]

9. One step closer to "Rapture" for them

Yep!
They consider this just one more (goose)step toward the Rapture! And as I understand their Rapture, it has mostly to do with the joy they'll feel watching others DIE! Hmmm they seem to be doing a lot of practicing ...

[Ezlivin]

23. Sad, but true

As a seminary graduate who was really "into" the whole Rapture thing, I can assure you that you are absolutely correct in your assessment.

Back in the day, I and other Christians often sat around and talked about what it would be like after the Rapture. The earth would be a smoking wasteland (tsk,tsk), people would be dropping like flies and a horrible end awaited most of them.

But, hey! we were "saved" and didn't have to worry about these horrors. The only use they had was as a tool to scare up new converts.

Many of the Rapture people believe that it is God's will for them to bring about the Rapture. That means starting the war in the Middle East that leads to Armageddon. They see themselves as instrumental in God's will and feel that they are part of the most historically significant event in the universe's history.

It may sound like hyperbole, but it's a belief system.

And our President buys into it.

[Lexingtonian]

8. Attack, yes

occupy, no.

I'd guess they're trying to drum up a domestic coup against the mullahs and send in American commando teams to do the dirty work.

The chances of success roughly resemble that of the Bay of Pigs.

The real motive seems to me to be about the hostage crisis of 1979/80, which wasn't just wrongful- in the eyes of the American Right it violated the already Vietnam-wounded vanity of American Messianism terribly. And for that crime the mullahs must be crushed.

[American Tragedy]

14. They're fools if they think that is going to work.

They've already tried to play this game in Cuba and countless South American countries to little avail.

Not that I'm particularly a fan of the mullahs either, but historically, air strikes haven't proven to be effective alone. What will the military do, once they've commenced widespread bombing and then realize that the level of violent unrest in the population has been greatly exaggerated?

This is the last fuckin thing that America or the world needs.

I just can't believe that they'd do this now!

[Lexingtonian]

26. you have this idea that they care

But remember what reactionaries and fascists are like- they'll move mountains to get at the one fellow that really bugs them. Iraq was only about Saddam Hussein and the disses of his daddie for Dubya- he clearly doesn't give a sh-t about the rest of anything in that country, except that Cheney and Rummie want to play in that sandbox until all the toys they stole are broken and sandcastles they built kicked in.

Any fucking with Iran will be counted a success by these people if they get a couple of Khomeni's old mullah pals killed and/or imprisoned and the rest chased into caves- they'll need a few of the stupid younger ones to serve as puppets, too. The Iranian people, 'democracy', 'freedom'...you've gotta be kidding. That's just marketing and ways of offloading the bad assets (and they do turn all assets gained to bad ones eventually) to the suckers and do-gooders.

And no, Bush/Cheney/Rummie don't actually care about timing. They do know that they've expended the regular military and CIA as useful tools via Iraq- now it's about expending the special units of the military and non-CIA intelligence that they've built up.

It's all about themselves, about their generation, about indulging in the Nixon-centered American Right legacy- 1948ish to 1990ish- living it all all over again, maybe getting it done a little better this time...or not. There's not much reward for getting it right, so why bother. It's all about resentments, vanities, sloth, greed, all about Our Kind Of People- whose time is nearly up, which is why all must be splurged upon.

[Maestro]

10. There is going to be another military action

somewhere. Count on it. The neocon death cult needs to detract attention from its failed domestic and foreign policy somehow. Wag the dog for the next four years.

[ffm172]

11. question ...

how does he want to attack Iran when all armed forces are tight up in the Iraq?

[DrWeird]

13. Everybody's telling him what a wild success Iraq has been.

nt

[Beetwasher]

16. Actually, From THEIR POV, Iraq IS a Wild Success!

They are acheiving everything they need to achieve...

[Lerkfish]

21. agreed, because they wanted it at any cost.

we are the ones squeamish about the cost. They frankly don't care how high the river of blood rises, as long as they get what they want.

[Stevendsmith]

24. Welcome to DU!

[ffm172]

30. thanks n/t

[uppityperson]

12. Israel attacks Iran, Iran bombs back, Bush "helps" defend Israel

At least that seems reasonable to predict.

[m_welby]

15. seriously, they WANT TO

Will they? who really knows. Can they? well, nothing has stopped them yet.

It's was on the board from the start though, look at where iran is. right between iraq and afghanistan! in their eyes a big swath of pro-american puppet govts in the middle east where they get control of much of the oil and the biggest sea route for it (the persian gulf).

[Sparkly]

17. I hope everyone read this today

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050121/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iran_4

U.S. Views Iran As Potential Trouble Spot

Fri Jan 21, 8:20 AM ET

By GEORGE GEDDA, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) refuses to rule out war with Iran. Iranian President Mohammad Khatami (news - web sites) says his country is ready to defend itself against a U.S. attack. The United States is pushing for a peaceful solution to its nuclear impasse with Iran but, with mistrust on both sides running high, encouraging signs are hard to find.

The US is not pushing very hard for that peaceful solution, apparently.

[maveric]

18. Iraq=25 million pop. no weapons or viable army. Iran =76 million pop

with weapons and a decent army. And we're having problems in Iraq?

[Lerkfish]

20. only a question of how soon.

believe it. It will happen, its all in the PNAC agenda, and they are on target, if not on schedule.

The purpose of taking Iraq first was they felt (naively) it would be the easiest to take (cakewalk) and then set up permanent military bases, make Iraq the depot from which to export "enforced democracy' on the surrounding ME countries.

[Fleshdancer]

22. The PNAC thinks the admin is moving too slow for Iranian regime change

"We do need a coherent, serious policy toward Iran; one of containment, pressure, accountability and, ultimately, regime change. If the CFR report helps force a real debate on Iran policy and encourages the Bush Administration not simply to kick the can down the road until after election day, it will have (inadvertently) performed a service."

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iran-20040720.htm

you can click on the link to read their charges against Iran or you could just wait a few days and turn on Faux news. It's up to you...either way it will be the same garbage.

[LSK]

25. not until next fall i'd say....

[poe]

27. low level counterinsurgency tactics have already begun

some inside the irani gov't say this began in 2002. i read an open letter to hersh to this effect. with the micro detectors their will be an attempt to read the amount of radioactive particles in the air. special forces of israel/us/uk are using these and it would be easy to inflate the readings to get the data you want. there is always some degree of radioactive particulates in the air. for some good info and links on this go to www.kurtnimmo.com or www.electroniciran.net
also it can be quite informative to examine the tactics used by kermit roosevelt to overthrow mossadegh in iran in 1953. similar tactics are being employed and the US installed shah reza pahvlezi (sp?) had a son, also named reza, who currently resides in england and the talk is he is waiting to restore the monarchy to iran.

[lovuian]

28. Seriously Yes we are heading into WWIII

Seriously!!!

[arwalden]

29. Yes!! It's True!! -- Bush* WANTS Global War!! He Honestly DESIRES It!!

He's a born-again monster who's doing everything within his power to bring about Armegeddon. He's one of the "Left-Behind" fruitcakes.