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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 03:25 PM
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Bush: Forget What I Said in My Speech, Here is What I Really Meant!

Bush Speech Not a Sign of Policy Shift, Officials Say



Even has to lie at his swearing in!

White House officials said yesterday that President <dictator> Bush (news - web sites)'s soaring inaugural address, in which he declared the goal of ending tyranny around the world <while declaring himself the son of God>, represents no significant shift in U.S. foreign policy <he lied again> but instead was meant as a crystallization and clarification of policies he is pursuing in Iraq <new war excuse 1,001... WMDs?, we didn't go to war for WMDs, we went to war to end tyranny in our world> (news - web sites), Afghanistan (news - web sites), the Middle East and elsewhere.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1802&e=4&u=/washpost/20050122/ts_washpost/a27672_2005jan21
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 03:29 PM
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1. Once again re-write history right before our eyes!
Let's keep pointing this sh** out!
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 03:32 PM
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2. ahok, so it was all about Iraq....
though he couldn't actually mention Iraq in the entire speech

makes perfect sense :eyes:
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WritersBlock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 06:06 PM
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3. I guess I'm just dense. But I read the transcript of that speech, and
I can't make a damn bit of sense out of it. It reads like nothing but unrelated soundbites strewn together.

Except for the two (at a glance) references to the draft, that is.

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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 07:04 PM
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4. Well, you are wrong...the press declared it masterful, soaring, omniscient
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WritersBlock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 10:26 AM
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13. You sure they weren't talking about "Let the Eagle Soar?"
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 07:20 PM
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6. You're not alone
It reads like it was written by a bunch of tin-eared action movie buffs. Every line crafted to be a punch to the head. Instead of rousing, it comes off as martial.
For as long as whole regions of the world simmer in resentment and tyranny, prone to ideologies that feed hatred and excuse murder, violence will gather and multiply in destructive power and cross the most defended borders and raise a mortal threat.

Resentment, tyranny, hatred, murder, violence, destructive power, mortal threat... in just one line. Sheeeesh.
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WritersBlock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 11:13 AM
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15. Actually, this transcript scared me much more than **'s speech:
Don Imus interviewing Dick Cheney on inauguration day:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6847999/

Upon being asked about Seymour Hersh's assertions and what the intentions of the government are, Cheney replied:

"Well, we are, I’d say, very concerned about Iran, because for two reasons, again, one, they do have a program. We believe they have a fairly robust new nuclear program. That’s been developed by, or being pursued I guess would be the best way to put it, by members of the E.U.—the Brits, the Germans and the French—have been negotiating with the Iranians to get them to allow greater transparency in their program so the outside world can be confident they’re not building weapons, that it’s for peaceful purposes.

The other problem we have, of course, is that Iran is a noted sponsor of terror. They’ve been the prime backers of the Hezbollah over the years, and they have, in fact, been—used terror in various incendiary ways to kill Americans and a lot of other folks around the globe, too, and that combination is of great concern.

We’ll continue to try to address those issues diplomatically, continue to work with the Europeans. At some point, if the Iranians don’t live up to their commitments, the next step will be to take it to the U.N. Security Council, and seek the imposition of international sanctions to force them to live up to the commitments and obligations they’ve signed up to under the non-proliferation treaty, and it’s—but it is a—you know, you look around the world at potential trouble spots, Iran is right at the top of the list."

<snip>

"Well, one of the concerns people have is that Israel might do it without being asked, that if, in fact, the Israelis became convinced the Iranians had significant nuclear capability, given the fact that Iran has a stated policy that their objective is the destruction of Israel, the Israelis might well decide to act first, and let the rest of the world worry about cleaning up the diplomatic mess afterwards."


This was only a few minutes after he'd weasled his way out of an explanation of the reasons given for going to war in Iraq, and how it was bad intelligence that led them to believe Saddam had WMDs, etc. He said it was part of the case because of Saddam's track record, but that he could "understand why some people have the view that it was all about WMD." (More reasons for having that view: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2946703) And he said that the second reason for going to war was Saddam's "association with terror."

The point of this rambling post is that this interview was given on the day of the inaugural speech, which got all the media attention. But the things said in the interview show clearly that we're going down exactly the same road with Iran that we did with Iraq, almost to the extent of some of the phrasing of the buildup case being very similar - ("We believe they have a fairly robust new program"; "sponsors of terror").


(As a side note, I wonder if this was an intentional typo? I didn't listen to the show itself, so I don't know what word he actually said.):

IMUS: Mr. Vice President, several months ago, when the communists from the press asked the president at a press conference if he could think of any mistakes he’d ever made, and the president said he couldn’t, and then he recently told Barbara Walters that there were a couple things that he wished he hadn’t said.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 07:18 PM
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5. I noticed that, too. The speech goes over like a lead balloon...
... and suddenly the Bushies are trying to re-spin it.

Are these the same people who say they don't pay attention to polls? Seems to me like they're scrambling to keep up with public opinion on this one!

:)
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 07:23 PM
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8. and they wrote 26 drafts to get it JUST RIGHT
even I could make a better fascist speech.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 08:03 PM
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10. I don't know WHY they'd want to spin it…
Edited on Sat Jan-22-05 08:04 PM by mcscajun
…after all, William Safire calls it one of the top 5 of the 20 "second inaugural" speeches ever.

Surely that means a lot.

/sarcasm
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 07:21 PM
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7. He was speaking in english, I don't need a translation.
Fuck that shit, I'm tired of his administration apologizing or explaining this fool. I take him at his word. World dominance. Democracy or death. It' his 'mission'.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 07:28 PM
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9. Well, it was a translation
From Hitler's original German-language speech.

And just because the administration is backpedaling from Stupidhead's words at warp speed doesn't mean they're flip-flopping, so stop staying that!
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 08:29 PM
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11. Isn't that what all bushies love about him - he means what he says
and he says what he means. In plain english, no less.:mad:
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HamiltonHabs32 Donating Member (465 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 08:55 PM
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12. for those who follow hockey....
Edited on Sat Jan-22-05 08:56 PM by HamiltonHabs32
/yeahyeahyeah I'm a Canuck, but hear me out.

This is very similar with what is going on during the NHL lockout. On almost a daily basis an NHL player will talk to the media and say somthing like "I agree with the owners" or "I will become a replacement player if it means playing" The next day a spokesmen for the Players Union will say that the player was misquoted, or didn't understand the question or what not.

It seems everytime Bush says something they have a spokesmen who needs to clarify what he then tells us HOW we are suppose to interpret what he said.

In the case of hockey we called shenanighans, and we (fans) have lost trust and most likely will not return to the game for years. However Hockey is a game and is not important. Bush is the worlds most powerful man, everything the republican party touchs seems to be a mess from foreign policy to the environment to voting fraud (x2) when will you guys call shananighans are you afraid you can't? Look at Ukraine, they called shananighans and overturned an election....all it took was some action.

The Orange Revolution was sparked by a Network TV channel that did some actual reporting on what was really going on with the govn't. Maybe if Networks in America reported about the Govn't and for the Govn't we would see more action in the usa.

/In Bush's speech he mentioned Freedom 27 times.
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 10:29 AM
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14. It seems to me like that speech was another trial balloon
and now that the rest of the world is seeing it as a negative speech and are rightly concerned, they're trying to backpedal.

Even the press seems to be pulling back from their initial assessment of the speech, after seeing how the man on the street and other countries are viewing it.
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