There were still inherent lies in Bush's speech--not coming clean......

[Starpass]

I don't know if I'm more furious with Bush and his den of theives OR the media. I'm so sick of the "truthful" pleas and explanations to the American people but all enveloped still in double speak and deliberate avoiding adding the 2's and 2's in public. If Bush isn't going to do it (duh, think??) this is were the media is either stupid or corrupt or both (I'll take the former and double dose of the latter)! Here's the things NOT pointed out:

1) This 87 billion is on top of the huge amount we already spent to date. They didn't give those figures, did they??

2) There are people who think the 87 billion is for the whole shitin' sheeeebang and we're out of there!! They don't tell us what approximately the total cost of being there until our grandchildren are dead of old age comes to.

3) They didn't tell us (and this is the one that makes me scream) how much these costs both past, present and future would have been on the blue light K-Mart discount table----i.e., if we had waited and gone in with a coalition of forces from around the world and the UN and, thus shared the troop and financial burden. Bush, in essence, went to the store and didn't use the goddamn coupon....we got charged full boat. In a nation where so, so many have to buy their groceries after carefullly clipping their coupons, this fucking lack of fiscal responsibility is a disgrace and proof that these assholes can't handle money!!!!!!!

[gratuitous]

1. And out of that $87 billion . . .

Bush said $66 billion was for the military and related expenditures. What's the other $21 billion for? Spillage? Wanna bet whose pockets that $21 billion is going to "spill" into?

Hint: Starts with "Halli" and ends with "burton."

[T Roosevelt]

2. I pulled that out into an LTTE

everybody should do the same - pick some piece of the speech and write a letter...

Brother can you spare $87 Billion?

Sunday evening Mr. Bush, in his speech to the nation, let us know he will be reqesting $87 billion to cover military and intelligence operations in Iraq (and Afghanistan) for the NEXT YEAR ONLY. Combined with the currently estimated cost of the invasion ($73 billion) that is $160 billion to conduct nation building (of a country we destroyed), an issue Candidate Bush was expressly AGAINST in 2000. These amounts are also NOT included in the current federal deficit estimate of $480 billion.
He says that "his will take time and require sacrifice." Except that he is only asking middle class Americans to make this sacrifice. At the same time as he makes this request, he pushes yet MORE tax cuts for the wealthy. Sacrifice? Not from them.

Here are some examples of things that can be done here in America with $87 billion:

- Double total federal education spending ($53.1 billion) and STILL have $34 billion left over.

- Send over 2.2 MILLION students to public univerities for full 4 year degrees.

- Upgrade ~90% of the national energy grid (est cost $100 billion).

- Provide over $28 thousand to every person who has become unemployed since this administration took office.

- Restore and triple the projected $25 billion CUTS in Veteran's benefits over the next 10 years.

Just whose side is Mr Bush on? Certainly not ours.

[deek]

8. superb!!

Love your ability to focus, be concise, and point out alternative uses for the $$--esp to restore what was stolen from us by this administration.

Effective forumula! :bounce:

[SpiralHawk]

3. You got it, Starpass

You got it.


"I think the American people--I hope the American--I don't think, let me--I hope the American people trust me."
- George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 18, 2002

[Starpass]

4. I hope to God our candidates do this clarification......it's needed

they can't just sit there and jaw about $87 (wow, soooo big) but they have to say, "yo Americans...put this in your calculator and push 'add'". Then they have to take these figures and beat his sorry ass all around the WH lawn as they tell people what the bill might have been if it wasn't for this arrogant asshole. I have an idea. Why don't the American people pay THAT price and send the rest of the bill to the arrogant, indulged, pampered rich boy who has no concept of finding a "deal" to cut costs.

[glarius]

5. Here's what I think about help coming from other countries

"if we had waited and gone in with a coalition of forces from around the world and the UN and, thus shared the troop and financial burden."
I understand your anger and frustration, but what you may have forgotten is MOST OF THE WORLD'S COUNTRIES didn't want to, or think it was necessary to go to war with Iraq at all! This war was a trumped up emergency. You should not be spending ANY American lives or money in Iraq to fight terrorism! We in Canada (and the rest of the world) had great empathy for you after the 9/11 attacks and were very willing to join you in Afghanistan to go after the terrorists who attacked you....But we all knew there was no connection to Saddam Hussein and therefore most of your allies did not join in the Iraq attack. Bush has got you into this terrible mess and I don't see how others can be expected to offer troops to be shot at like sitting ducks. It's all so sad....I don't want to see our soldiers sent to Iraq (we just sent 2000 to Afghanistan to join the ones we already have there)....Perhaps there'll be money aid coming from my country and others....It's terrible...you are good people and don't deserve the mess the mental midget in Washington has created!!!!

[judy]

6. You are forgetting other major lies, at the heart of the speech

That illegally invading Iraq has made the US safer...
That Iraq had anything to do with the so called "War on Terror".
Now, of course, Iraq has become a magnet for terrorists, but before, there was ABSOLUTELY NO LINK between Al Qaeda, 9/11 and Saddam.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAarrrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

[ThomWV]

7. Thank You .....

Thank you Judy, I was waiting for someone to make mention of that. The one single thing that pisses me off more than anything else is that after every other lie has failed he now sets the cause of the war and its aftermath on terrorism. We all know that there is indeed terrorism in the world, and we all know that there was a war in Iraq and now there is great danger and much to do in Iraq, but what Whistle Ass has begun doing is simply going forward as if it were understood by everyone that the two are one in the same. For Christ's sake, the two have absolutly nothing to do with each other. Actually I guess I should say that in the past tense because now one of the consequences of WA's misadventure is growth in the pool of available persons to be terrorsist. Let's face it, Iraq made Bush the poster boy of hatred for every extremest group on earth. By extension that leads to you and me and so none of us are safe as a result of Bush. But I got off the point. Sorry for rambeling ....

Thom

[pippin]

9. see thread Bush's Speech was a Terror Trap

see thread and web site "Bush's Speech was a Terror Trap" and the strategy to use terror to get the votes.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=298590

Also the analysis at:

http://tvnewslies.org/html/terror_trap.html

There is something scary for us Americans afoot.