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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 10:03 PM
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A Karl Marx editorial in 1861 about the American Civil War
Edited on Sat Jan-22-05 10:33 PM by billbuckhead
Articles by Karl Marx in Die Presse 1861

The North American Civil War

London, October 20, 1861

For months the leading weekly and daily papers of the London press have been reiterating the same litany on the American Civil War. While they insult the free states of the North, they anxiously defend themselves against the suspicion of sympathising with the slave states of the South. In fact, they continually write two articles: one article, in which they attack the North, and another article, in which they excuse their attacks on the North.

In essence the extenuating arguments read: The war between the North and South is a tariff war. The war is, further, not for any principle, does not touch the question of slavery and in fact turns on Northern lust for sovereignty. Finally, even if justice is on the side of the North , does it not remain a vain endeavour to want to subjugate eight million Anglo-Saxons by force! Would not separation of the South release the North from all connection with Negro slavery and ensure for it, with its twenty million inhabitants and its vast territory, a higher, hitherto scarcely dreamt-of, development? Accordingly, must not the North welcome secession as a happy event, instead of wanting to overrule it by a bloody and futile civil war?

Point by point we will probe the plea of the English press.

The war between North and South -- so runs the first excuse -- is a mere tariff war, a war between a protectionist system and a free trade system, and Britain naturally stands on the side of free trade. Shall the slave-owner enjoy the fruits of slave labour in their entirety or shall he be cheated of a portion of these by the protectionists of the North? That is the question which is at issue in this war. It was reserved for The Times to make this brilliant discovery. The Economist, The Examiner, The Saturday Review and tutti quanti expounded the theme further. It is characteristic of this discovery that it was made, not in Charleston, but in London. Naturally, in America everyone knew that from 1846 to 1861 a free trade system prevailed, and that Representative Morrill carried his protectionist tariff through Congress only in 1861, after the rebellion had already broken out. Secession, therefore, did not take place because the Morrill tariff had gone through Congress, but, at most, the Morrill tariff went through Congress because secession had taken place. When South Carolina had its first attack of secession in 1831, the protectionist tariff of 1828 served it, to be sure, as a pretext, but only as a pretext, as is known from a statement of General Jackson. This time, however, the old pretext has in fact not been repeated. In the Secession Congress at Montgomery all reference to the tariff question was avoided, because the cultivation of sugar in Louisiana, one of the most influential Southern states, depends entirely on protection.

But, the London press pleads further, the war of the United States is nothing but a war for the forcible maintenance of the Union. The Yankees cannot make up their minds to strike fifteen stars from their standard. They want to cut a colossal figure on the world stage. Yes, it would be different if the war was waged for the abolition of slavery! The question of slavery, however, as The Saturday Review categorically declares among other things, has absolutely nothing to do with this war.

It is above all to be remembered that the war did not originate with the North, but with the South. The North finds itself on the defensive. For months it had quietly looked on while the secessionists appropriated the Union's forts, arsenals, shipyards, customs houses, pay offices, ships and supplies of arms, insulted its flag and took prisoner bodies of its troops. Finally the secessionists resolved to force the Union government out of its passive attitude by a blatant act of war, and solely for this reason proceeded to the bombardment of Fort Sumter near Charleston. On April 11 (1861) their General Beauregard had learnt in a meeting with Major Anderson, the commander of Fort Sumter, that the fort was only supplied with provisions for three days more and accordingly must be peacefully surrendered after this period. In order to forestall this peaceful surrender, the secessionists opened the bombardment early on the following morning (April 12), which brought about the fall of the fort in a few hours. News of this had hardly been telegraphed to Montgomery, the seat of the Secession Congress, when War Minister Walker publicly declared in the name of the new Confederacy: No man can say where the war opened today will end. At the same time he prophesied that before the first of May the flag of the Southern Confederacy will wave from the dome of the old Capitol in Washington and within a short time perhaps also from the Faneuil Hall in Boston. Only now ensued the proclamation in which Lincoln called for 75,000 men to defend the Union. The bombardment of Fort Sumter cut off the only possible constitutional way out, namely the convocation of a general convention of the American people, as Lincoln had proposed in his inaugural address. For Lincoln there now remained only the choice of fleeing from Washington, evacuating Maryland and Delaware and surrendering Kentucky, Missouri and Virginia, or of answering war with war.


The question of the principle of the American Civil War is answered by the battle slogan with which the South broke the peace. Stephens, the Vice-President of the Southern Confederacy, declared in the Secession Congress that what essentially distinguished the Constitution newly hatched at Montgomery from the Constitution of Washington and Jefferson was that now for the first time slavery was recognised as an institution good in itself, and as the foundation of the whole state edifice, whereas the revolutionary fathers, men steeped in the prejudices of the eighteenth century, had treated slavery as an evil imported from England and to be eliminated in the course of time. Another matador of the South, Mr. Spratt, cried out: "For us it is a question of founding a great slave republic." If, therefore, it was indeed only in defence of the Union that the North drew the sword, had not the South already declared that the continuance of slavery was no longer compatible with the continuance of the Union?

Just as the bombardment of Fort Sumter gave the signal for the opening of the war, the election victory of the Republican Party of the North, the election of Lincoln as President, gave the signal for secession. On November 6, 1860, Lincoln was elected. On November 8, 1860, a message telegraphed from South Carolina said: Secession is regarded here as an accomplished fact; on November 10 the legislature of Georgia occupied itself with secession plans, and on November 13 a special session of the legislature of Mississippi was convened to consider secession. But Lincoln's election was itself only the result of a split in the Democratic camp. During the election struggle the Democrats of the North concentrated their votes on Douglas, the Democrats of the South concentrated their votes on Breckinridge, and to this splitting of the Democratic votes the Republican Party owed its victory. Whence came, on the one hand, the preponderance of the Republican Party in the North? Whence, on the other, the disunion within the Democratic Party, whose members, North and South, had operated in conjunction for more than half a century?

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Way more<http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1861/10/25.htm>

Karl looking at the USA from Europe, thought the war was about slavery back in 1861 and the British corporate media whores were trying to portray the war as being about tariffs.
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aMurder.com Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 10:06 PM
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1. Marxism...
Is there anything it can't fix? Often I wonder how such a noble system of government ended up so villified by many of the same people who would most benefit from its malevolent touch.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 10:24 PM
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3. Uh, in case you didn't get it, Marx was saying the war was NOT
the result of predatory northern capitalism, as charged by the British (which meme I heard from one of my co-workers just a couple weeks ago -- a virulent pro-confederate republican).

Nothing to do with 'Marxism' at all.
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aMurder.com Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 10:32 PM
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4. I know
But he knew what the war was truly about, slavery, and that wars will someday come where people realize that we are all slaves. He was defending the capitalist north, but not the capitalism. I can defend the Palestinians without defending the practcice of suicide bombing, yes?
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durutti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 11:09 PM
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11. Interesting thing re: the Palestinians.
Marx actually said similar things about British colonialism in India -- that the tactics of the rebels were often repugnant, but that more repugnant was colonialism itself.

If you haven't checked it out already, I recommend Francis Wheen's Karl Marx: A Life -- excellent, balanced biography of an underappreciated thinker and human being.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 11:17 PM
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12. And he recognized that the solution to repugnant tactics
Edited on Sat Jan-22-05 11:17 PM by K-W
was not the arbitrary exterimination of whichever side of the conflict felt the need to resort to those tactics, but the destruction of the societal structures and cultural aspects that created the conflict amongst other ills of the world.
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durutti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 11:21 PM
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15. Indeed.
I started working on a Marx entry on Demopedia Beta.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 11:22 PM
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16. underappreciated but still most influential
I have yet to read a serious work of social theory that doesn't first deal with Marx either as a critique or as a source of reference.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 10:38 PM
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7. You missed his point.
He is saying that the british were protecting their trade relationship with the economically exposed south by decrying the 'protectionist' north. England kept imperial economic control of the south and the north wanted the US to control the US economy. This is why England was supporting the south and they lied to thier people about why the south and north in the US were fighting so they wouldnt get mad that England was defending slavery.

The South was anti-republic, pro thier feudlastic society and pro ties to the british empire.
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aMurder.com Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 10:46 PM
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10. I know!
I know, I know.... I'm so embarrassed to have jumped the gun. I just get so very excited about some of Marx's ideas... *sigh* this is terrible. I haven't been thinking straight since those awful Iraq pictures elsewhere on the board. Again, I'm sorry... looks like it's a long bath for me tonight.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 12:01 AM
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26. Feudalism ...

The antebellum South was not a feudalistic society.

It was every bit as capitalistic as the North and West, only with an emphasis on production of raw goods and with a different form of labor.

As for it being anti-republic, one could argue the South was more republican (small "r") than the North.


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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 12:05 AM
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29. You think slavery is a capitalistic relationship?
It was feudalistic except in the cities. The land was owned by the wealthy very aristocratic elites who owned slaves. And derived thier economies from utilizing thier land through exploitation of a class of people. It is exactly feudalism. The only capitalism occurred when the product was exchanged with other places.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 12:31 AM
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31. Slavery and Capitalism
Edited on Sun Jan-23-05 12:36 AM by RoyGBiv
Your understanding of the Southern economy in the years prior to the Civil War is flawed. It might fit the South Carolina coastal areas and specific parts of Virginia, North Carolina, and Georgia during certain phases of their history, but on the whole the Southern economy was in no sense feudal.

The vast majority of Southern landowners during the three to four decades prior to the Civil War belonged to a class that we today would associate with the middle class. If they owned slaves, they owned half a dozen or less, their holdings were modest by comparison to the large, quasi-aristocratic plantation owners along the East coast, and their fortunes literally lived and died according to market forces. Further, as it pertains to feudalism, these types of landowners were in no sense lords of their land, subjected as they were to government imposed taxes, fees, and restrictions. Nor did a class of people exist that would be analogous to vassals.

That said, there were certainly those in the antebellum South who would have preferred such a relationship, but democratic impulses throughout the region kept that from taking root, except, as previously mentioned, in certain coastal areas.

OnEdit:

A couple suggestions:

_The Ruling Race_ by James Oakes describes the state of Southern society in the years leading up to the Civil War, including a detailed analysis of the average Southern agriculturalist, how he came into being, and what role he played in government and society.

_The People in Power_ by Ralph Wooster provides a detailed analysis of local Southern government and provides the basis of the argument that a quasi-middle-class controlled the South's political fortunes more concretely than the somewhat mythical Southern aristocracy. Wooster's volumes are the standard work on the subject and cited positively by every historian doing work in this area today.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 10:40 PM
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8. This isnt a solution, it is a critique. Marx's critiques are amazing.
Edited on Sat Jan-22-05 10:40 PM by K-W
His solutions are seemingly pie in the sky and have had a decidedly suspect impact in practice.

Even the most rational thinkers are bad at predicting the future.
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mdhunter Donating Member (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 10:23 PM
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2. A long history of Ds not getting their acts together and Rs profiting.
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 12:48 PM
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36. The D's of that day are the R's of our day.
You understand that right?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 10:34 PM
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5. Thank you so much. What a great reminder: Plus ca change...
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 10:38 PM
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6. WOW! Marx couldn't write for shit---Bookmarking
So I can see if it reads any better tomorrow over coffee.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 11:55 PM
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22. Of course ...

You're reading a translation. Style doesn't translate well.

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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 12:40 PM
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34. I thought it was brilliant.
I have a new perspective on that era after reading this. What did you dislike about his writing?
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 10:41 PM
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9. mediawhores never change....
history teaches them nothing...instead of planning expeditions to mars and colonies on the moon, with enviro adverse industrial processes moved off earth to huge ports in space etc....meanwhile cleaning up the air water and so on, eliminating poverty and ignorance while reserving space for wildlife and primitive subcultures that need it, mankind blunders about like a maddened elephant wearing a duncecap, spewing waste in every direction and fighting furiously over right to burn up the last of the fossil fuels and to poison the land/air/water...the mediawhores sell their souls for that?
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catbert836 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 11:17 PM
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13. I wonder if there was anything that Marx missed
What an amazing man... he had a solution for everything. It's pathetic how everyone's got him all wrong.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 11:20 PM
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14. Ahh...but he never had to lead.
That makes it easier to "always be right". And, please don't take that as a criticism of Marx. It's just a general political leadership comment.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 11:25 PM
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17. Perhaps in writing the Manifesto
he was taking the lead.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 11:27 PM
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18. But with no accountability required.
Much like the man who is on your avatar.

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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 11:35 PM
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19. Not sure who they need to be accountable too? n/t
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 11:36 PM
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20. I think you are heaing about the myth of the ivory tower.
As if society gives these people the opportunity to do more.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 11:57 PM
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24. No...more likely you're hearing...
Edited on Sun Jan-23-05 12:36 AM by tx_dem41
about the "I'm kinda bored...and I'm surfing around" myth. ;-)
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 11:37 PM
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21. The people they are chosen by to lead them.
I'm not trying to pick a fight...please believe me.

I'm just saying that if you propose a set of ideas, but never are required to implement them, then its easy to appear to "always be right".
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 11:57 PM
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25. True,
I'm responding because I'm interested personally in this problem. so don't think I'm trying to be divisive, just curious.

I understand the "theory into practice problem", but there are at least two reasons why an academic doesn't engage in political practice (assuming you exclude the act of writing as a form of political engagement). One, either being marginalized or exiled from that possibility it would be impossible. Marx, had been both. He lived his life in cycles of poverty and exile. Two, there are strong epistimological arguments for not taking up leadership positions. Max Weber's "Politics as a Vocation" is pretty much a summary statement of these arguments. One must assume that making a great investment in any game, "political" or otherwise, while providing an important set of skills, is strictly limiting in framing out objective counter-possibilities. In other words, making it more likely that they were getting caught up in the subjective "illusions" of the game they would be less likely to find an alternative course.

In my opinion, practice doesn't just problematize (or hold accountable) theory, because theory also problematize's practice. It's also a way of holding people accountable. Marx was himself engaged in a total critique of economic and political practice. He thought and sought to revolutionize it, and did so in theory, which later Marxists vulgarized in practice.
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 12:46 PM
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35. It seems like some people need hero's
It;s not good enough if someone can point you in the right direction for some unless they carry you piggy back all the way.

I think Marx played his role and contributed more than most humans are capable of. I respect the fact he did not force his beliefs on the masses.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 12:01 AM
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27. Marx believed he could determine the future.
And that things resolved themselves without any more intervention than having his ideas, so he wrote and spread his ideas. That to him was enough.

He didnt look at his ideas as a perscription so much as a description of the inevitable next phase of the economy. That is one of the reasons that it is in fact entirely unrealistic and wacky if you apply the model to modern times.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 12:06 AM
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30. I think the most unrealistic thing
about Marx was that he thought he had discovered a social law. He did a great job describing the current state, but only carried out those developments to a "logical" conclusion. the world is still waiting for someone to make a certain prediction about social development. Marx didn't account for contingencies until the second volume of Capital.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 11:57 PM
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23. The Manifesto ...

This is Marx's least remarkable work and one which he himself didn't put a great deal of thought into, at least not the variety of thought that is evident in his other work. He wrote it for a specific purpose and later regretted it.



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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 12:02 AM
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28. Yep.
I think, though my memory is fading this late, it was the inspiration for him feeling that he could not be a Marxist. Not in the sense that the word had come to materialize in his later life. He had vulgarized himself in a manner of speaking. The price of simplification I guess.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 02:56 AM
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32. I think you are correct ...

My memory is fading as well, and it's been a long time since I was conversant with this particular subject, but that sounds right.

It wasn't so much the Manifesto itself as the interpretations of it by others and the uses to which it was being put.

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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 12:38 PM
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33. Amazing how much these times are similar to those.
Each paragraph help up a new parallel. Most striking is the similarity of the oil economy to the slave economy and the desperation which our oligarchs attempt to cling to a doomed policy.

The similarity to the poor being duped into the policy by the false promise of being included into the world of the oligarchs also rings bells.

I did get a glimmer of hope from reading it. It seems our Neo Cons are as irrational as the slavers of their day. If they could be defeated after holding the power they did in the 1850's then their may be hope we can do the same. The catch is a new party had to be started to do it. What we have now is the Douglas wing of the Republicans as our representation. The DLC are the Douglas Pukes of our day.
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