Why does the Right villify anything having to do w/sex?

[bliss_eternal]

I was just watching the last hour of The E! True Hollywood Story of Jenna Jameson. There was some whack job, kooky minister (of the Right) that said,"Jenna is evil."

Evil as defined by Websters dictionary--

having bad natural qualities; bad; harmful; disagreeable; vicious; corrupt; wicked; unfortunate.

I was taken aback by his statement--as I have been by the SpongeBob controversy and their need to villify gays.

What is it about other's sex and sexuality that gets these people all bent out of shape?

[chicagojoe]

1. Because they aren't any good at sex !!!!

[rawtribe]

2. Yep

Not getting any and when they do it's pretty vanilla.

[MADem]

6. I guess it's why they hate Hollywood

...they can't act, can't write, can't sing, can't compose....they don't have any of those swell "liberal arts" qualities that make a person interesting and vibrant. They seem incapable of real, genuine joy.

They're very good at making money though--I guess it's good that they don't have a proper brain to really, truly enjoy spending it...all they can do is watch and see what the other guy is doing, and then try to outdo that person. They're definitely evil, but not "cool evil" -- more like "pathetic evil."

[brainshrub]

3. It's the dredded disease: "Lack-a-nookie"

[coloradodem2005]

7. That picture is so funny.

n/t

[TyeDye75]

23. Did anyone ask him

How he knew..lol... great picture though.

[SmokingJacket]

31. Yay Oberlin...

my alma mater.

(Michelle Malkin was one of the three college republicans at the time)

[I_equals_PRT]

37. Beautiful! There is hope for America if the young understand...which

apparently they do! Thank goodness! Gotta love this pic, this thought, these kids!

[AuntiBush]

4. Holy F-in Ka-Rist!

Jeez! Just utter that 3 letter word and the next thing you know they Federal Bureau of Counter-UnIntelligece for the Fundamental Fruitcakes will be banging down the doors.

Actually, it's quite simple. Remember when your mom would remind you that if the guy/gal is paranoid about you possibly "cheating" on you, it's probably because he/she is... well, it's based on that philosophy.

[I_equals_PRT]

40. yes, "intolerance is the harboring of a secret self-doubt" nt

[LostInAnomie]

5. It is a defense against their own insecurity.

The same reason people who suck at chess tend to hate chess. They can't stand for others to enjoy themselves.

[coloradodem2005]

10. Or non-guitar players.

Those who can't play tend to knock those who do.

[Lautremont]

8. Because they're all freaky and twisted up inside.

You know whenever you read about one of those guys who shoots his wife five or six times while sobbing "I love you, Mommy! I love you!"?

Republican.

[LynnTheDem]

18. LOL!!!

ROTFLMAO!!! :D

[solinvictus]

9. Because...

they hate to acknowledge that people have genitals and might actually do something interesting or pleasurable with them.

[msgadget]

11. It's too easy to simply say they're repressed

without trying to understand the basis for some of the current hysteria. Immediately following the election Rove referred to a "coarseness of society":

When you read or see or hear moral values, what does that mean?

MR. ROVE: Well, I think it's people who are concerned about the coarseness of our culture, about what they see on the television sets, what they see in the movies, what they read in the newspapers, how they see the values of the country, what they see as the future for our country.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6430019/

Jameson would be considered a 'fallen woman' by many but I doubt they'd all consider her evil. Sponge Bob...is a cartoon! Maybe extremists interpret all threats to their definition of society evil. OBL certainly does.

[SharonAnn]

42. I think they're obsessed with sex. I don't know why. They can't

stop thinking about it.

[msgadget]

45. It sure seems that way!

LOL! But, I just can't think of people as charicatures, though this Sponge Bob thing and the Shark Tale thing before it make it harder to be diplomatic.

[bliss_eternal]

12. Interesting theories all around. What about the fact

that most, if not all the guys that participate in Dominant/Submissive games and visit dungeons (to have their asses kicked by Dominatrixes) are usually the Repuke types?

I watched this documentary about a dungeon and the dominatrixes that worked in it. They stated during the film that most of the guys that visited were wealthy wall street types. Men that are seen as 'in charge' in their professional lives.

If they do this stuff behind closed doors, why condemn it in public? Why turn the very people that you probably watch in secret villains? It just seems hypocritical--

Can you guys imagine Shrub in a sissy/submissive outfit asking to be spanked by a Mistress? LOL! LOL!

[BrklynLiberal]

13. Not Shrub necessarily, but certainly Rove and Norquist.

[bumblebee1]

14. Love that thought

As long as I get to be the mistress who administers the spankings to Shrub. He's been a very bad boy!!!

[bliss_eternal]

38. But could you stop at just a spanking? Wouldn't you want to

beat the shit out of him? ;)

Welcome to DU bumblebee1! :hi:

[McKenzie]

20. I have always suspected that it's a power imbalance thing

in a patriarchal society men are supposed to be dominant so asking their partner to dominate them is a sign that they aren't quite so dominant after all. Hence the widespread use of "services" (sic) such as the one you mention.

As for the type of people who use these services? Not sure exactly though a number of prominent establishment figures have been caught with their pants down over here.

[WillowTree]

15. They don't disapprove of sex per se...

....they just disapprove of sex outside of marriage, as is dictated by their religious beliefs. I've never heard a Christian, of the Fundamentalist variety or otherwise, scorn sex between spouses.

[LostInAnomie]

16. I have, if it is not for the purpose of children.

That is why they are against birth control even in marriage. It promotes recreational sex, instead of sex meant for procreation.

[LynnTheDem]

17. Except sex with falafels. That's ok. And dildos are ok.

And installing your mistress into the same house as your wife & kids, and screwing her socks off, that's ok, too.

And exposing your wee-wee to boys. And getting caught & arrested for same 3 times. That's alright.

Screwing little girls is also ok as long as it's done overseas and you don't actually pay them.

So see? Not ALL sex is considered bad & evil by the rightwingnuttery. :D

[bliss_eternal]

36. LOL! You forgot using your wife's credit card for

the strip club and to visit the legal Brothels of Nevada...

;)

[Kipepeo]

19. because they are stuck in that emotional age

where they think no one will want to fuck them.

:(

That is only my half-serious response, btw. But I think there is some truth to it.

[LynnTheDem]

21. They should keep falafels in mind.

Falafels NEVER turn down a good hard rogering.

[bliss_eternal]

35. LMAO, Lynn!

[Art_from_Ark]

22. It all started about 6000 years ago

Miseraiah, the high priest of one of the lesser known Tribes of Judah, kept receiving complaints from the menfolk of his tribe: "I got me some nookie with one uh mah wives, an' she give me thuh clap!"

Never mind that the people in the tribe only bathed once in a camel's age and thus harbored all sorts of slimy germs and diseases on their bodies. The culprit was always the wimmenfolk, 'cuz the menfolk noticed they would get the clap after a nookie session.

So, what was Miseraiah to do? On the one hand, he needed to expand his tribe's population to expand his own influence and power. On the other hand, this clap business was getting out of hand. So Miseraiah decided to settle the matter the only way he knew how-- he made up a story.

"People of the tribe," he proclaimed. "I have been hearing too many complaints about the plague that infects our menfolk after nookie sessions. This is a sure sign from God that we have been engaging in far too much nookie. In fact, I talked to God myself just last night, and He told me that a little nookie is good, as long as it's meant to produce babies to expand our tribe. But a lot of nookie, that's BAD because our menfolk keep getting the clap from our wimmenfolk. Thereby, as ordained by God himself, I hereby decree that everyone can only engage in nookie only if it's meant to procreate. Excessive nookie shall be punished severely, if the wimmenfolk do it. What's more, wimmenfolk who give the clap to their husbands or owners will be punished severely. God has commanded it".

[spooked]

24. Because they're actually PERVERTS and they're afraid sex will reveal that!

I'll sometimes play this game while driving in the car...

Tune in to a "Christian" talk radio station, and see how long before the words "sex", "fornication", "adultery" come into the conversation...

it usually takes less than a minute!! All they ever want to talk about is SEX, but disguise it in Christian born-again repentance.

Maybe this fundie stuff is good for these people. Who knows what they'd be doing if they didn't believe in hell and damnation!

[teenagebambam]

48. This is exactly right...

Fundies are so terrified of ever having to make a moral decision (because, God forbid, what if they try dancing or card playing or gay sex and find that they actually LIKE it), that they strive to create a world (or, rather, have a world created FOR them) wher absolutely NO temptation exists - thus, they never have to make a moral decision, and never have to face the fear that they might choose "wrongly".

[China_cat]

25. Sex is only wrong for WOMEN

BECAUSE...a woman knows a child is hers, a man can only hope.

[rman]

26. Orwell on sexuality:

from "1984"":

"...With Julia, everything came back to her own sexuality. As soon as this was touched upon in any way she was capable of great acuteness. Unlike Wintson, she had grasped the inner meaning of the Party's sexual puritanism. It was not merely that the sex instinct created a world of its own which was outside the Party's control and which therefore had ot be destroyed if possible. What was more important was that sexual privation induced hysteria, which was undesirable because it could be transformed into war fever and leader worship. The way she put it was: "When you make love you're using up energy; and aftewards you feel happy and don't give a shit for anything. They can't bear you to feel like that. They want you to be bursting with energy all the time. All this marching up and down and cheering and waving flags is simply sex gone sour. If you're happy inside yourself, why should you get excited about Big Brother and the Three-Year Plans and the Two Minute Hates and all the rest of their bloody rot?"

[SmokingJacket]

32. That totally sums it all up.

Orwell would have a field day with the Bush crowd.

[Maiden England]

27. Trying to legislate against their fantasies.

These are the little boys who got caught masturbating by their grandma and told they are going to hell. They can't stop their mind from wandering to these deep dark places, so the best they can do is try and erradicate any and all images and references to any kind of sexual activity.
I'd say the harder they rail against a particular activity, the more likely it is that they have fantasies about that particular activity.

Which does bring about some very interesting questions about Jerry Falwell and homosexuality.

I would like to however remind the repressed nutjobs two things. One, er, separation of church and state.

Two, not all religions frown upon having good sex or enjoying it. Perhaps y'all shouldn't have jumped the jew ship quite so fast. But then again maybe that had something to do with the requirement to satisfy the wife, and its the descendants of the 'really crap in beds' that leap at the opportunity to put an end to that rubbish and that are doing this in our society.

Oh I really shouldn't muse before I've drank all my coffee on a Sunday morning.

[bliss_eternal]

33. The theory about their grandma's catching them playing also

reminds me of some of the Catholic men I've dated over the years. Some seem quite capable of filtering out the crap and actually having sex w/out guilt. Too many others have major issues w/sex.

The ones' I've known from that category have that whole "Madonna-Whore' thing operating. Where they want a woman, then once they have her they re-categorize her as either some sort of pedastal woman or a whore. Either way, they can't have sex again with this woman without major issues and angst involved.

Scary phenomena. Wonder how many on the Right suffer from this?

[lawladyprof]

28. Well, it can't necessarily be being celibate 'cause there are

plenty of celibate folks (whether voluntarily or not) who are not obssessed with other people's sexuality. I've long thought it might be fear that if the missus had or had had sex with someone else she might find her husband somewhat lacking.

[burn the bush]

29. they want to keep you off guard while they screw young boys for fun

[Deja Q]

30. I wish they wouldn't DO it then. They don't need to breed... even I would

breed to spare them the vile yuckiness of it. :crazy:

[NNadir]

34. Fear what you don't know.

My theory: Most right-wingers have had the experience only a few times in their lives, almost always under tawdry circumstances.

Hence, their fear.

[Solly Mack]

39. guilt

[I_equals_PRT]

41. Sponge Bob? Somebody complained about Sponge Bob? Which idiot said what?

I knew that Pat Roberts has a fear of purple Teletubbies and I knew he thinks god sends us 911 and Tsunami but I didn't know he was also living in fear of Sponge Bob? Was it Roberson? What happened with Sponge Bob? Is he as scary as The Dixie Chicks?

[MiniMe]

43. Jealousy n/t

[rocktivity]

44. Yes, they're jealous--that sex is valued over Christianity.

If people held the religious right's version of God in the same esteem as their personal sexuality, not only would sex be for procreation only, think of how much MORE power they would have!

:headbang:
rocknation

[double_helix]

46. Because sex, like money is a very important resource

which controls the balance of power among men.

I am not on the same side as Falwell(I'm an independent, and an atheist), but it's disingenuous to say that liberals and libertarians are not equally engaged/invested in this struggle over sexual and social values.

Both mating and capitalism are free markets of sorts, and uncontrolled free markets lead to severe inequities and monopoly.

A free mating market without some type of moral code to serve as regulation will quickly lead to serial monogamy/de facto polygyny (the system we live under today) where richer, high status males/alpha males monopolize most of the sexual resources. To make matters worse, reproductive-aged females naturally gravitate towards high status males. Essentially it is a herem, although the sexually independent women won't realize it is, or intends it to be.

Serial monogamy, or defacto polygyny has devastating effects on society. Because it sets up a situation where there is an elite group of males getting most of the sexual resources and a large group of middle and lower class men getting much less or none, it encourages a desperate attempt of lower class males to get to the top: we see this in the inner-cities, where males struggle and kill each other to take out the 'top dog'. When access to mates is on the line, men will kill, rape, rob -- go to extraordinary lengths. Drastic inequality among men - be it economic or sexual - is a recipe for societal disaster.

Serial monogamy's effects upon older women and children are almost as bad. Because high status males have so much sex at their disposal, there is no incentive to stay with one woman. Older women, who are no longer of use to high-status males, are easily discarded and replaced with a younger woman. And of course the kids of broken homes suffer the most.

My main point is that in order for society to function, there must be regulation of social and sexual behavior via morality - whether it comes from religion or elsewhere (ultimately, all moral systems such as religion have their origins in innate human psychology). I would never suggest a return to Victorian morality, but there has to be a compromise somewhere, a better balance of security and liberty that currently exists.

And when liberals and libertarians ask "Why do people care what I do with my body ?" - the answer is that what you do individually and privately should not be anyone's concern. But what we do collectively - what social values we openly advocate for is everyone's concern. And people like Jenna Jameson (and Britney Spears and most other modern female icons) are advocating for a much more free moral sex code - just as Falwell and his people are advocating against it. It is a two way street.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

47. Because sexual impulses can bypass the rational brain and go

straight to the emotions. Sex therefore makes the perfect "hot button" issue.

Everyone is interested in it, whether they want to admit it or not, and those who would never actually do anything outside the straight and narrow can get their jollies being "shocked" about what other people are doing.