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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 12:36 PM
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Overlooked phrase in coronation address that scares me the most:
"America’s vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one. From the day of our Founding, (capitols)we have proclaimed that every man and woman on this earth has rights, and dignity, and matchless value, because they bear the image of the Maker of Heaven and earth."

Welcome to the 12th century: we just became a theocracy.

Translation: The solutions a president will need for the country are all found in evangelical beliefs. He doesn't need to know about other nations, history, economics, diplomacy, global ecology, justice, law, or any of those difficult things. He just needs to "give" everyone "freedom" and the rest is up to God. If he can convert you, his work is done. He's not a leader of nations, but a prophet. When you stop resisting, he'll be a success.

Would be nice if it were this simple, but, when you consider that Bush is an alchoholic, and a cocaine user, and that his additions were only relieved by Billy Graham, you realize this is a statement of his own personal mental emotional survival, not the plan for the super power of the world. He wants freedom from his own pain and addiction, not freedom for every person living under a dictatorship.

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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 12:37 PM
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1. Holy Shit.
:scared: I guess we should thank you for that observation, but ... comprehending it makes me wanna hide under the bed for a couple years ! :scared:



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drkedjr Donating Member (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 12:52 PM
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4. I'm Under the bed
for more than a couple-of-years!
http://www.nhstonewalldems.org
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 12:48 PM
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2. but the rest of the world won`t buy it and
that is bush`s big problem. no one is going to deal with him and his bitch condi and contrary to popular opinion they don`t have to.the world has passed by the united states...
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 01:23 PM
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13. But we're going to live in this Shit Pile he's making of the US
Think I'm ready to puke.
:puke:
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 12:51 PM
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3. Also - when Bush says Freedom, he means Conversion
Because Bush believes the only way to freedom is to be saved, and the only way to be saved is belief in Christ.

So when Bush says he wants to liberate the world, he means liberate them through Christ. And his followers know that that's what he means.

Why are non fundamentalists so unwilling to see this? Is it because at one time they liked Bush, and to admit that they they were so duped is too shameful? Or is it because they were so appalled by Clinton, and they believed Bush was the anti-Clinton, they prefer someone who's a religious zealot to someone they also feel shamed by?
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 01:24 PM
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14. ANOTHER Crusade? It didn't work 600 years ago n/t
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 12:55 PM
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5. He is a delusional, destructive fanatic . The cabal was lucky
to find him - let him think he is God's son while they destroy this country and a few others. Back to slavery and imposed religion. Back, back, back by years, decades, centuries.

I truly wish we could contact our founders for an opinion (or contradiction).
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sexybomber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 01:03 PM
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8. You can contact the Founders for their opinion...
*recites from memory*

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

Granted, they probably never envisioned someone as crazy as Georgey Boy, but you get the idea. I can hardly believe they wanted the sort of theocracy he does.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 01:32 PM
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17. I agree...but even though it is there in black and white....their
interpretations are making people believe otherwise.

How a very low per cent of fanatics can threaten a nation is amazing.

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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 01:56 PM
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21. Neither Jefferson or Franklin would be allowed to teach in the
schools of Cobb County Georgia. Both are too "liberal".
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 12:59 PM
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6. It would appear that *'s speech writers are now openly quoting the last
century's "messenger of God," Adolf Hitler.

Really. The near-verbatim phrasing is unmistakable.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 01:20 PM
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11. People got mad at me when I made the comparison, but
can you put in the full quote - Hitler's then Bush's.

I'd like people to see it and believe it.
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 01:34 PM
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18. From Hitler's Speech to the Reichstag, 1937
2. The vital interests of the different nations must be frankly recognized.

http://www.humanitas-international.org/showcase/chronography/speeches/1937-01-30.html

Last paragraph--note the last sentence:

I have had three unusual friends in my life. ln my youth, poverty accompanied me for many years. When the Great War came to an end it was great sorrow that took hold of me and prescribed my path - sorrow at the collapse of our people. Since January 30 four years ago I have made the acquaintance of anxiety as the third friend - anxiety for the people and Reich which have been confided to my leadership. Since that time it has never left me, and in all probability will accompany me to my end. How could a man shoulder the burden of this anxiety if he had not faith in his mission and the consent of Him who stands above us?
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confuddled Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 10:56 PM
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30. Bingo! I'm waiting for this one - any day now.
"The national government will maintain and defend the foundations on which the power of our nation rests. It will offer strong protection to Christianity as the very basis of our collective morality. Today Christians stand at the head of our country. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit. We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theatre, and in the press — in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of LIBERAL excess during the past years" — Adolph Hitler (Taken from The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1, Michael Hakeem, Ph.D. (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pp. 871-872.)
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 12:59 PM
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7. Sounds like Darth Vader
"The circuit is not complete, when i left you, i was but a learner,
now 'I' am the master."

Obi wan: "Only a master of evil darth."

How dare that whinging climber claim to speak for "our" america.
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dreamcollector Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 01:13 PM
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9. The world is absolutely united against the Bush Administration
A Canadian friend of mine who is a retired teacher said that the U.S. is sliding into an economic abyss because of Bush --and that even though she will lose her pension as a result of the economic Armegedon next door to us she welcomes it. Reminds me of a story I heard about a passenger on a ship on which there was rampant adultry and debauchery. Every night he prayed for the ship to sink in spite of the fact that he would go down with the sinful majority. I would be willing to live on less too if America's imperial ambitions were stopped cold. It appears folks outside your country are prepared to make sacrifices to stop Bush. So it makes you wonder what China and Japan etc will do to carry on supporting the American dollar. It boggles my mind how crazy Bush and the Neo-cons are. But the last thing a dictator does is loot his own country.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 01:16 PM
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10. Who can the US go to to remove OUR unelected tyrant?
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ashmanonar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 01:22 PM
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12. well...
there are countries around the world, i don't remember which, that will grab W if he ever goes there, and convict him of war crimes.

he can't go anywhere now, everybody despises him. england is closed, i'd bet, bc he trashed the place he was staying (in the palace, he demanded kevlar in teh walls, etc)

and germany wants rumsfeld's ass, probably would grab bush if they had to.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 01:27 PM
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15. I'm looking for someone who takes UPS ....
Everyone, get your duct tape and meet me at the White House.

:bounce:

I need an address man, somewhere to mail this yahoo.
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ashmanonar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 02:12 PM
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22. abu dhabi?
he can find nermal!
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dreamcollector Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 01:36 PM
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19. He won't last two years
He's too obviously crazy and too obviously going to destroy the country.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 10:38 PM
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28. then you're saying WE won't last 2 years...ouch
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 11:02 PM
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31. The first thing a dictator does is loot his country
Edited on Sun Jan-23-05 11:07 PM by Art_from_Ark
The last thing he does is ruin his country-- or flee.
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 01:30 PM
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16. Iran's Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi said
"These kind of remarks are clear examples of cultural and religious war which will only lead to people's hatred of U.S. policies ... and will isolate America more than before."

http://www.thecorrection.org/blog3/archives/2005/01/outposts_of_tyr.php
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bloodyjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 01:38 PM
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20. And such atrocious grammar for an inaugural address!
"...every man and woman on this earth...because they bear the image of the Maker..."

It should have read "because he or she bears the image of the Maker"

I hate when people favor gender neutrality over proper En-guh-lish (even if "he or she" does sound a little awkward)
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 09:04 PM
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23. Peggy Noonan and George Will hated the speech.
Guess I hit a nerve. If this scared us, imagine how it scares everyone else!
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 09:12 PM
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24. Turning the clock back to 1952...
Sorry, 1592.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 09:16 PM
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25. Oh, man, really creepy, jjs.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 09:20 PM
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26. FANTASTIC analysis.
Edited on Sun Jan-23-05 09:20 PM by Bouncy Ball
Especially the last part. SPOT. ON.

He is projecting, big time. And hurting us all in the process.

NO MORE ALCOHOLICS IN THE WHITE HOUSE!! EVAH!!!
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 09:53 PM
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27. Thank you!
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 10:39 PM
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29. I'll bet Barbara Boxer inhaled
and learned what she was supposed to from it.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 11:02 PM
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32. Rights as only * sees them. I'm gay but to * I have no rights, or less.
I don't believe in the integrity of corporate america, which is *'s vital interests. Rather than American citizens or the Constitution.
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