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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 01:45 PM
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RFID passports:
Question. When does this take effect? Secondly. Does 'zapping' your passport in the microwave render the RFID technology useless?

Thanks in advance!
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rockedthevoteinMA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 01:46 PM
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1. I think it takes effect at the beginning of 2006. eom
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 01:49 PM
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2. RFID chips are nothing more
than 4 or 5 magnetic strips laying on top of eachother that form a circut that releases a faint radio signature
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 01:54 PM
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4. and?
I honestly don't want to walk around issueing a faint radio signal with all of my personal information on it.
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 01:59 PM
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5. Exactly.
Plain and simple. I am up to nothing more than living a responsible life and nothing more. I am not associated with any sort of criminal activity, domestic or international. I do not need my information stored electronically one way or another.

RFID passports is a step in the wrong direction, friend.
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:51 PM
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7. there is no info recorded to the signal itself
i dont think
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LifeDuringWartime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 01:53 PM
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3. as funny as it sounds,
keeping the passport wrapped in tinfoil might prevent the signal from being broadcasted
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:00 PM
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6. Its a passive system, it doesnt broadcast
the RFID tags for passport use dont have a battery and dont broadcast. They have to be within a few feet of the reader in order to give any information.

The ones that DO broadcast have to have a battery installed, and are about the size of a pack of cigarettes. Way too big for passport use.
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 03:50 PM
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8. Yup, tin foil will work
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 03:50 PM by Angry Girl
http://www.jsonline.com/bym/tech/news/jan05/289738.asp


One rudimentary way to protect electronic passports from identity thieves is to wrap them in tinfoil, which blocks radio waves. A single size Doritos bag would do the trick. Protecting border control agents' readers with a metal shield would protect against eavesdropping.


http://www.iht.com/articles/541711.html


Proponents of the system claim that the chips can be read only from within a distance of a few centimeters, so there is no potential for abuse. This is a spectacularly naïve claim. All wireless protocols can work at much longer ranges than specified. In tests, RFID chips have been read by receivers 20 meters away. Improvements in technology are inevitable.
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The Bush administration is deliberately choosing a less secure technology without justification. If there were a good offsetting reason to choose that technology over a contact chip, then the choice might make sense.

Unfortunately, there is only one possible reason: The administration wants surreptitious access themselves. It wants to be able to identify people in crowds. It wants to surreptitiously pick out the Americans, and pick out the foreigners. It wants to do the very thing that it insists, despite demonstrations to the contrary, can't be done.

Normally I am very careful before I ascribe such sinister motives to a government agency. Incompetence is the norm, and malevolence is much rarer. But this seems like a clear case of the Bush administration putting its own interests above the security and privacy of its citizens, and then lying about it.

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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 04:09 PM
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9. good to know............................n/t
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