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Cato1 Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:25 PM
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What did Adolf Hitler think about Christianity?
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew." - 11th-12th July, 1941 Hitler's Table Talk 1941- 1944


"Christianity is the worst of the regressions that mankind can ever have undergone, and it's the Jew who, thanks to this diabolic invention, has thrown him back 15 centuries." Hitler's Table Talk 1941- 1944


"Pure Christianity— the Christianity of the catacombs— is concerned with translating the Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics." - 14th December, 1941 Hitler's Table Talk 1941- 1944


"Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. To-day, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday, the instigator was Saul: the instigator to-day, Mardochai. Saul has changed into St. Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea." - 21st October, 1941 Hitler's Table Talk 1941- 1944


"I'm sure that Nero didn't set fire to Rome. It was the Christian-Bolsheviks who did that, just as the Commune set fire to Paris in 1871 and the Communists set fire to the Reichstag in 1932." - 25th October, 1941 Hitler's Table Talk 1941- 1944


"It was Christianity that brought about the fall of Rome – not the Germans or the Huns." – 27th Jan 1942 Hitler's Table Talk 1941- 1944


"As soon as the idea was introduced that all men were equal before God, that world was bound to collapse." 26th February, 1942 Hitler's Table Talk 1941- 1944


"By means of the struggle, the elites are continually renewed. The law of selection justifies this incessant struggle, by allowing the survival of the fittest. Christianity is rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of failure." - 10th October, 1941 Hitler's Table Talk 1941- 1944


"It is deplorable that the Bible should have been translated into German, and that the whole of the German Folk should have thus become exposed to the whole of this Jewish mumbo jumbo… As a sane German, one is flabbergasted to think that German human beings could have let themselves be brought to such a pass by Jewish filth and priestly twaddle, that they were little different from the howling dervish of the Turks and the negroes, at whom we laugh so scornfully. It angers one to think that, while in other parts of the globe religious teaching like that of Confucius, Buddha and Mohammed offers an undeniably broad basis for the religious-minded, Germans should have been duped by a theological exposition devoid of all honest depth." - 5th June, 1942 Hitler's Table Talk 1941- 1944


"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death. A slow death has something comforting about it. The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science. Religion will have to make more and more concessions. Gradually the myths crumble. All that's left is to prove that in nature there is no frontier between the organic and the inorganic. When understanding of the universe has become widespread, when the majority of men know that the stars are not sources of light but worlds, perhaps inhabited worlds like ours, then the Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity." - 14th October, 1941 Hitler's Table Talk 1941- 1944


"I shall never believe that what is founded on lies can endure for ever. I believe in truth. I'm sure that, in the long run, truth must be victorious. It's probable that, as regards religion, we are about to enter an era of tolerance. Everybody will be allowed to seek his own salvation in the way that suits him best. The ancient world knew this climate of tolerance. Nobody took to proselytising." 27th February, 1942 Hitler's Table Talk 1941- 1944


"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity. Christianity is a prototype of Bolshevism: the mobilisation by the Jew of the masses of slaves with the object of undermining society." - 19th October, 1941 Hitler's Table Talk 1941- 1944


"The man who lives in communion with nature necessarily finds himself in opposition to the Churches. And that's why they're heading for ruin - for science is bound to win." Hitler's Table Talk 1941- 1944



"Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity. It will last another hundred years, two hundred years perhaps. My regret will have been that I couldn't, like whoever the prophet was, behold the promised land from afar. We are entering into a conception of the world that will be a sunny era, an era of tolerance. Man must be put in a position to develop freely the talents that God has given him." 27th February, 1942 Hitler's Table Talk 1941- 1944


"I don't interfere in matters of belief. Therefore I can't allow churchmen to interfere with temporal affairs. The organised lie must be smashed. The State must remain the absolute master." 13th December, 1941 Hitler's Table Talk 1941- 1944


"The American statesmen, by subjecting the Church to the same regulations governing all other associations and institutions, have limited its field of activity to reasonable proportions; and, as the State does not contribute from State Funds one single cent to the church, the whole clergy cringes and sings hymns in praise of Government. This is not to be wondered at! The parson, like everyone else, has got to live; what he makes out of the public offertory doesn't amount to much, and so he is more or less dependent on State charity. As he has no legal claim whatever on the State, he therefore takes very good care that his demeanour is always pleasing in the eyes of the State and therefore deserving of the crumbs it cares to toss to him." - 4th July, 1942 Hitler's Table Talk 1941- 1944


"The development of relations between State and Church affords a very instructive example of how the carelessness of a single statesman can have after-effects which last for centuries. When Charlemagne was kneeling at prayer in St. Peter's, Rome, at Christmas in the year 8oo, the Pope, giving him no time to work out the possible effects of so symbolic an action, suddenly bent down and presto! popped a golden crown on his head! By permitting it, the Emperor delivered himself and his successors into the hands of a power which subjected the German Government and the German people to five hundred years of martyrdom." - 4th July, 1942 Hitler's Table Talk 1941- 1944


"Here is a lesson we would do well to learn: if we do not complete the conquest of the East utterly and irrevocably, each successive generation will have a war on its hand, to a greater or lesser degree. Even stupid races can accomplish something, given good leadership. Genghiz Khan’s genius for organisation was something quite unique. Only in the Roman Empire and in Spain under Arab domination has culture been a potent factor. Under the latter, the standard of civilisation achieved was wholly admirable; to Spain flocked the greatest scientists, thinkers, astronomers and mathematicians of the world, and side by side there flourished a spirit of sweet human tolerance and a sense of the purest chivalry. Then with the advent of Christianity, came the barbarians. The chivalry of the Castilians had been inherited by the Arabs. Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers – already, you see, the world had fallen into the hands of the Jews – so gutless a thing was Christianity! – then we should in all probability have been converted to mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies heroism and which opens the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world. Christianity alone prevented them from doing so." – 28th August 1942 Hitler's Table Talk 1941- 1944


"I can imagine people being enthusiastic about the paradise of Mahomet, but as for the insipid paradise of the Christians! In your lifetime, you used to hear the music of Richard Wagner. After your death, it will be nothing but hallelujahs, the waving of palms, children of an age for the feeding-bottle, and hoary old men. The man of the isles pays homage to the forces of nature. But Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery. A negro with his taboos is crushingly superior to the human being who seriously believes in Transubstantiation." - 13th December, 1941 Hitler's Table Talk 1941- 1944


"The fact that the Japanese have retained their political philosophy, which is one of the essential reasons for their success, is due to their having been saved in time from the views of Christianity. Just as in Islam, there is no terrorism in the Japanese State religion, but, on the contrary, a promise of happiness. This terrorism in religion is , to put it briefly, of a Jewish dogma, which Christianity has universalized and whose effect is to sow trouble and confusion in men’s minds." – 4th April, 1942Hitler's Table Talk 1941- 1944


"You see, its been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been more compatible to us than Christianity. why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?" – Hitler Quoted by Albert Speer, Inside the Third Reich, pg. 115.

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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:28 PM
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1. But this from HItler's presentation of Party Program in 1921
24. We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existaence of oppose the moreal senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocated the standpoint of positive Christianity without binding itself to any one denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succesd from within the framework: common utility precedes individual utility.
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Cato1 Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:31 PM
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2. Hitler knew...
...that he would have no chance of success were he to go publicly after Christianity. Churches were to be dealt with after the war.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:09 PM
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14. He PRETENDED to be a Christian, and like Bush he never actually had
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 07:10 PM by w4rma
faith in Christianity and especially it's morals and priciples.
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 08:34 PM
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26. I'll amen that!
Most of the people who profess their Christian virtues the loudest are the ones who have the fewest....

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Modem Butterfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 11:27 AM
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47. What's up with this "real Xian" and "fake Xian" stuff?
Is there some sort of theistic equivalent of Gaydar? I mean, if someone goes through the motions of worshipping Christ, talks about worshipping Christ, advocates following Christ, then doesn't it follow that that person is a Xian? Maybe they're doing it in a way that other Xians don't like, but who are you to say that they're not a real Xian?

You never see other religions doing this. I've yet to hear a Muslim talk about how Osama Bin Laden isn't a real Muslim, though they'll talk about how misguided and wrong he is, and goodness knows they've got grounds. Likewise, you never hear of Jews attacking, say, Ari Fleischer as not a real Jew. So what's up with the Xians?
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:32 PM
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3. He used it to his advantage................
when dealing with the citizens of Germany. Propaganda, that was his only use for Christianity. He was a follower of the occult though, including collecting Christian holy relics. :shrug:
Who really knows? I bet there's a lot of "Bush Table Talk" that would curl our hair as well.
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stinkeefresh Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:36 PM
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4. weren't there crosses on the tanks and uniforms?
He may have felt privately that Christianity was an enemy, but I would have thought he'd keep that to himself. (Much like Bush pretends to be xtian)

I am really stunned to see those quotes. How did he expect to opiate the masses?
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Cato1 Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:42 PM
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6. The ...
...iron cross was used by the German military well before the nazi time. The swastika, on the other hand, which wasn't used as in German national ensignia before the nazis, is a pagan symbol.
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 08:41 PM
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27. Actually The Swastika Is A Hindu Symbol.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 11:27 AM
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48. don't forget the "God is With Us" belt buckles etc.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:37 PM
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5. is there a point to this?
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Cato1 Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:44 PM
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7. Some folks on DU...
...have painted the nazis as some kind of prototypical Christian crusaders. I'm calling out their bigotry.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:45 PM
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8. ahh yes another persecuted christian...
:eyes:
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:26 PM
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20. At Cato: Hitler and Bush manipulated Christianity to serve themselves.
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 07:31 PM by Just Me
Ahhhhhh,....hah!
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:01 PM
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11. The prototypical Christain crusaders were the, er, Crusaders
of the 11th century.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:11 PM
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16. Hitler used Christianity to get into power. Notice how your quotes are
from when he was totally embedded. The quotes from when he was building up his power were very pro-Christian. We Christians MUST beware of false prophets like Hitler and Bush.
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Cato1 Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:17 PM
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18. Agreed.
I personally think Bush's Christianity is a facade. Reagan is another man who liked to talk Christian while acting to the contrary.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:32 PM
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21. Yeah, that's where all the confusion comes from. Propaganda is powerful
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 08:15 PM by w4rma
A *whole* lot of devout Christians got caught up in Hitler's propaganda web. Bush is using the same tactics that Hitler did.

Reagan had Alzheimer's Disease. That, I suspect, made him very malleable to the power hungry folks who lead the Republican Party from the shadows, behind the scenes, from their corporate board rooms/mansions. Robber barons. The same types of people, and in some cases the decendents of the same people, who helped fund Hitler from America until FDR came into power and cracked down on them (big time).
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:19 PM
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19. he used Christianity to turn German Christians into Nazis
regardless of his personal private beliefs
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 10:27 PM
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34. "Bigotry"?
Look, you wanna practice your own peculiar brand of "Holocaust Denial", you go right ahead. Just spare us the dishonesty of trying to justify it with this "Protocols" style argument.

Hitler was a Christian. Deal with it.
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DivinBreuvage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 12:32 AM
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37. "Holocaust Denial"? Now you're just being ridiculous.
If you really loathe Christianity or certain types of self-professed Christians or whatever, that's fine, but don't let your bias get in the way of the facts or try to drown them out with your hysterical screech of "Holocaust Denial".

I think you need to deal with the fact that Hitler had no use for Christianity other than paying lip service to it to get popular support. Adolf Hitler had no use for anything, including his "beloved" German people, except insofar as they could be useful to Adolf Hitler.

Hitler and the Nazis, like other profoundly revolutionary leaders including those of the initially liberal French Revolution, actively sought to curtail the influence of religion, because the citizen's loyalty must be given first and foremost to the Führer, Party, People, State, etc., not to some competing third-party belief system.

The problem the Nazis had is that by the time they felt they were strong enough to start "working toward the Führer" by neutering the churches, they couldn't do it after all because it was too dangerous to rock the boat when Germany was getting sucked into the slaughterhouse black hole of the East.

Did some Christians support Hitler? Of course, just as other Christians opposed him and paid for it with their lives. Was Hitler shrewd enough to accept the support of conservative pastors, knowing they would drag their congregations along with them? Of course. But that doesn't make him a Christian, any more than Bush putting on a 10-gallon hat and strutting around on his pig farm cracking "homespun" aphorisms makes him a cowboy man of the people. It's a freaking gimmick for the rubes who make up a large percentage of any nation, even in Europe. Hitler has been dead for 60 years and he's still suckering people into thinking he was a Christian.

But, hey, if you need to believe that Hitler was a Christian to work up a really good hate for him, you run with that. Your Conservative counterparts get their little fillip of Hitler hate by calling him a leftist because he claimed to be a National Socialist. Of course they really aren't too informed about Hitler or Nazi Germany, so they open their mouths without understanding that he actively waged war on socialism while talking it up to sucker people into standing behind him.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 07:39 AM
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40. Oh, by all means, I apologise....
HOW can I persist in the face of such iron-clad logic as "Hitler wasn't a Christian because we have this 'Table Talk' document where he rips It up one side and down the other..."

"Lip service" or not, he passes the "Duck Test" IMO.

" Adolf Hitler had no use for anything, including his "beloved" German people, except insofar as they could be useful to Adolf Hitler."

Sounds a lot like George Bush, doesn't he?

On that point, we can agree.
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 12:34 AM
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38. How does quoting Hitler's disdain for Christianity
equal "Holocaust Denial?" I think that many of the quote that he/she included actually show his hatred for the Jewish.

Regardless of his personal religious beliefs(whether he is Christian or non-Christian), he was an evil man. I don't think that anybody denies that.

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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:49 PM
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9. Bush and Hitler share yet another similarity
You can tell that both believe they are Infallable and perhaps even Divine.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 06:54 PM
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10. Sigh. As counter-evidence:
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 06:57 PM by Taxloss
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

"Those who use argue against Hitler's Christianity use the Table-Talk as their main source. However, the reliability of the source comes into question, nor does it provide evidence against Hitler's own Christian beliefs, even if valid. "
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Cato1 Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:09 PM
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13. Mainstream historians...
...accept the table-talk as authentic. A part of the original notebook is even stored at the Library of Congress.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 08:45 PM
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31. Alice in Wonderland is in the Library of Congress.
That does not make it real. What Mainstream historians?
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 10:41 AM
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43. From that site:

Page from the anti-Semitic German children's book, "Der Giftpilz" (The Poisonous Mushroom)

The text reads, "When you see a cross, then think of the horrible murder by the Jews on Golgotha..."


The caption reads: "Der ergreifende Abschlub der Kundgebung in Wien: Wir treten zum Beten..."

The touching and emotional end of the rally in Vienna: Let us pray...


Deutsche Christen (German Christians)

The Deutsche Christen (DC) became the voice of Nazi ideology within the Evangelical Church (the Religious Right of their day). They proposed a church "Aryan paragraph" to prevent "non-Aryans" from becoming ministers or religious teachers. Most church leaders solidly supported the "Judenmission." Only a very few number of Christians opposed Nazism such as the "Confessing Christians" (a Church movement not recognized by the Protestant orthodoxy) headed by Dietrich Bonhoeffer. The support of Nazism by the majority of German Christians and German Christian leaders shows the danger of mixing religion with government.
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:06 PM
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12. jesus fucking christ.
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 07:09 PM by enki23
what a load of horseshit.

in any case, what hitler privately thought mattered not one fucking whit, even were all this *not* a load of horseshit. the people who put on the swastika, gladly and willingly, were overwhelmingly christian.

yet, neither i nor anyone else i've seen has tried to paint christianity in general--much as i hate it--to be the equal of nazism.
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Cato1 Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:11 PM
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15. It matters a whole...
...lot what Hitler thought privately when some folks try to paint the man as some kind of devout Christian.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:16 PM
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17. Like I said above, he pretended to be a devout Christian to get into power
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 08:13 PM by w4rma
He also acted like an uber-patriot. His opposition underestimated the power of that propaganda.

Notice that all your quotes are from when he was fully embedded into power and had his propaganda machine running like clockwork.

OnEdit: I also agree with you that this is important. However, I disagree that many folks are anti-Christian on this board or on any other Democratic board. I'm a Christian. But, I am anti-Xian which is the hate-filled, divisive, warmongering religion that Bush and too many fundamentalists promote.
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KnowerOfLogic Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 08:44 PM
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29. The point was that *his supporters* were unquestionably christian. nt
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:33 PM
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22. This is a copy of a post in Freeperville.
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 07:34 PM by kskiska
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 08:45 PM
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30. Blatant Plagiarism.
Anyone up for the alert button?

Jay
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Zephyrbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 11:02 AM
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45. Well done.
I figured as much. Fine research!

What is the poster really talking about here? He's slyly making a comparison between Nazis and "liberals" as being Christian haters.

ergo, All liberals are Nazis.

I don't even know anyone wastes time trying to discuss it. It's pretty bogus.

I've also read Mein Kampf--years and years ago. Hitler's book was rank with references to God and his divine mission, blah blah blah.

Sheesh.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:53 PM
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23. Hitler used Christianity to his advantage,
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 07:54 PM by IMModerate
but did not follow its tenets. It lends itself to that.

--IMM
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 08:00 PM
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24. and yet, in Mein Kampf:
"I believe today that my conduct is in accordance
with the will of the Almighty Creator."
- Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf, pp. 46

"This human world of ours would be inconceivable without
the practical existence of a religious belief."
- Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf, pp.152

"What we have to fight for...is the freedom and independence
of the fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill
the mission assigned to it by the Creator."
- Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf, pp. 125

<snip>

"Thus inwardly armed with confidence in God and the unshakable
stupidity of the voting citizenry
, the politicians can begin
the fight for the 'remaking' of the Reich as they call it."
- Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 1

www.mtfreethinkers.org

In public speeches Hitler frequently referred to Christianity wrt the glory of Germany and the Germans. Soldiers who died in battle would go to "Valhalla".
So in public Hitler did pretend to be religious, presumably to pander to the religious part of the population, while in reality he despised Christianity. The man was a despot, what did you expect?

The question now is: what do you expect from Bush?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 08:20 PM
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25. I don't know what hitler thought but
Ghandi said(and I don't have the exact quote..but I read it on DU someplace) that he thought well of Christ but didn't think the Christians followed His example.

If someone has this quote.. I would appreciate it.
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KnowerOfLogic Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 08:42 PM
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28. Hitler didn't have cross word to say about Xtianity in Mein Kampf. I
seriously even doubt those quotes are legit. Did they all come from one source, i.e, some book designed to convince fundies that hitler wasn't a christian?
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 09:55 PM
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33. No, They Actually Came From...
Der Freeperlund. See post #22

Jay
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 08:46 PM
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32. Off the top of my head. Didn't one of his henchmen want
to replace all Bibles in the churches with copies of Mein Kampf?
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 11:41 PM
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35. Apparently these were his private statements, made late in the game.
In their public statements he and the Nazis were always great Christians. At their private Skull and Bones lodge meetings who knows what all they said?
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 11:48 PM
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36. He sold a christianity of hatrad and racial supremecy
and that is what matters, he was an erratic sociopath, im sure he spent some portion, if not all his life as an athiest, who cares he isnt a good representative of any portion of the population.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 01:59 AM
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39. Sorry- Hitler detested and killed atheists,
as well as homosexuals. His was, at least partly, a religious war, a war to exterminate any whom he considered inferior. As well, he claimed to be avenging Christ's murder by eliminating the Jews. Even today's neo-nazis refer to Jews as "Christ killers." From my own studies, I've been struck often by the pernicious notion that both the Juden and the Catholic were, oddly, somewhat pleased with the battle between Hitler's Christian crusaders and the Jews, who seemed to historically assume the role of always being persecuted by, and somewhat opposed to, almost any society in which they found themselves.
There has, from time to time, been proposed the idea that Hitler may have been a closet homosexual and, in his self loathing, was attempting to redeem himself.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 09:59 AM
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41. Get it through your head: Hitler was a "two-face".
Publicly he pandered to Christianity, for political purposes (to get support from a significant part of the population), while privately he did detest god and religion.
So he was a hypocrite, a lyar, an opportunist, a dishonest man. Does that surprise you?
Now, do you think Bush is an honest man?
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RUDUing2 Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 10:18 AM
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42. He saw it as a good way to manipulate the masses..
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Pegleg Thd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 10:51 AM
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44. Hitler practiced the same
brand of 'christianity' the the bush repuke do. Their motto is very simple "Do unto others before they do it to you".
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 11:19 AM
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46. So what? The Germans used religion to manipulate people,
so what difference does what they "really thought" make?

Gott Mit Uns!

That would never happen in this country, right?
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