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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 05:01 PM
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Depleted Uranium, the Pentagon's next Agent Orange.
Just like they denied for years the severly damaging effects of widespread use in Vietnam of Agent Orange on the health of US military personnel and the native Vietnamese population, those nice, caring people at the Pentagon are doing it all over again. Once more the gullible, apathetic and brainwashed public and lower echelon grunts and cannon fodder swallow their bland reassurances and just "follow orders" apparently unaware that, in the great scheme of things, we are all expendable pawns in the PNAC/neo-con grab for oil and empire.

The horror of Depleted Uranium is not limited to Iraq – it may well be at our doorsteps.

by James Denver


'I’m horrified. The people out there – the Iraqis, the media and the troops – risk the most appalling ill health. And the radiation from depleted uranium can travel literally anywhere. It’s going to destroy the lives of thousands of children, all over the world. We all know how far radiation can travel. Radiation from Chernobyl reached Wales and in Britain you sometimes get red dust from the Sahara on your car.’

The speaker is not some alarmist doom-sayer. He is Dr Chris Busby, the British radiation expert, Fellow of the University of Liverpool in the Faculty of Medicine and UK representative on the European Committee on Radiation Risk, talking about the best kept secret of this war: the fact that, by illegally using hundreds of tons of depleted uranium (DU) against Iraq, Britain and America have gravely endangered not only the Iraqis but the whole world. For these weapons have released deadly, carcinogenic and mutagenic, radioactive particles in such abundance that – whipped up by sandstorms and carried on trade winds – there is no corner of the globe they cannot penetrate – including Britain. For the wind has no boundaries and time is on their side: the radioactivity persists for over 4,500,000,000 years and can cause cancer, leukaemia, brain damage, kidney failure, and extreme birth defects – killing millions of every age for centuries to come. A crime against humanity which may, in the eyes of historians, rank with the worst atrocities of all time.

<snip>

Since DU darkened the land Iraq has seen birth defects which would break a heart of stone: babies with terribly foreshortened limbs, with their intestines outside their bodies, with huge bulging tumours where their eyes should be, or with a single eye – like Cyclops, or without eyes, or without limbs, and even without heads. Significantly, some of the defects are almost unknown outside textbooks showing the babies born near A-bomb test sites in the Pacific (emphasis mine /jc). Doctors report that many women no longer say ‘Is it a girl or a boy?’ but simply, ‘Is it normal, doctor?’ Moreover this terrible legacy will not end. The genes of their parents may have been damaged for ever, and the damaging DU dust is ever-present.

<snip>

Despite all that evidence of the harm done by DU, governments on both sides of the Atlantic have repeatedly claimed that as it emits only ‘low level’ radiation DU is harmless. Award winning scientist, Dr Rosalie Bertell who has led UN medical commissions, has studied ‘low level’ radiation for 30 years.(2 )She has found that uranium oxide particles have more than enough power to harm cells, and describes their pulses of radiation as hitting surrounding cells ‘like flashes of lightning’ again and again in a single second.(2) Like many scientists worldwide who have studied this type of radiation, she has found that such ‘lightning strikes’ can damage DNA and cause cell mutations which lead to cancer. Moreover, these particles can be taken up by body fluids and travel through the body, damaging more than one organ. To compound all that Dr Bertell has found that this particular type of radiation can cause the body’s communication systems to break down, leading to malfunctions in many vital organs of the body and to many medical problems. A striking fact, since many veterans of the first Gulf war suffer from innumerable, seemingly unrelated, ailments.


http://www.energybulletin.net/4121.html


Facts and Fictions on Depleted Uranium from the Uranium Medical Research Centre www.umrc.net :

Fiction: Uranium is ubiquitous in nature and we are exposed daily. There is no cause for concern.

Fact: Uranium is present in nature in trace amounts, about 3 parts per million (ppm) by weight. It takes about 5 tonnes of dry soil or rock to produce 1 teaspoon of what is called ”natural uranium”. It is “natural” in that is has the isotopic proportions that exist in nature. However, what is “unnatural” is when uranium is presented in concentrated quantities. In these concentrations of radioactivity its effect on human health and the environment become dangerous.

When uranium is exposed to the natural chemical action of the environment it can become solublized and can then migrate into the water supply. Uncontained uranium waste is a problem when left in the open as it oxidizes. This is the case all over the world in nuclear waste repositories.

Uranium is most dangerous when it burns and is aerosolized as happens when it is used in weapons. (my emphasis /jc)


Fiction: Alpha particles can't penetrate clothes and skin.

Fact: This statement ignores the most prevalent and dangerous pathway for uranium to get into the human body. Inhaled uranium can remain in the lungs and bones for years where it continues to emit alpha, beta and gamma radiation. Each alpha particle can traverse up to several hundred cells causing somatic and genetic alterations. Multiply this by billions of such particles and a huge amount of cellular damage becomes possible. The majority (50-70%) of the airborne DU particles sampled during the testing of 105 mm DU projectiles were in the respirable range and capable of reaching the non-ciliated bronchial tree. Studies also indicate that the half-time in the lungs is up to 5 years.


www.umrc.net/facts_and_fictions.aspx

And for all of the Depleted Uranium apologist who have no problem with the US and its allies using their own WMD (according to the first article posted above, DU has been described as such by two UN human rights tribunals), how about I come over to your house and sprinkle some finely ground, oxidized depleted uranium dust particles around your backyard and in your kids' sandbox and then have you send your kids outside to play?

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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 05:08 PM
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1. They say that Pictures speak louder that words...
Here's a link to what happened to the babies of pregnant women, exposed to DU, after the first Iraq war.

Warning: Very Graphic and Disturbing Photos!:grr:

<http://www.einswine.com/atrocities/du/>
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 07:24 PM
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3. Thanks for posting that link.
It's disturbing to say the least, but we all need to be disturbed a whole lot more if we are going to get enough of the US population roused out of their stupor to stop this amoral bunch of neo-con, fascist pricks from taking over the world on their terms.
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Peak_Oil Donating Member (666 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 08:06 PM
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6. Bull$hit on the photos -- this post should be in reply to reply 1
Edited on Tue Jan-25-05 08:14 PM by Peak_Oil
There's a couple Harlequin Fetus babies in there, that condition has absolutely nothing to do with DU or radiation. Horrible disfigurement, yes, but not DU related.

The problem with sites like that is they put up bs pictures to bolster a case, but when they get busted lying, they discredit all kinds of people who are telling the truth.

Please don't use that link, any doctor would know immediately that somebody just got a bunch of really horrible pictures and is lying.

Look up "harlequin fetus" and then look at the pics again. It has nothing to do with radiation.

On edit: Added to subject line. Please know that I meant to post this information in response to the link to pics in the reply to the OP.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 08:47 PM
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8. WTF is wrong with you , you cynical Bastard?
O.K. Ya got me, that is only ONE of the links on that web site.

Want the rest? Check out this:
<http://www.einswine.com/atrocities/>

Or how about a few hundred more websites from around that globe who, unlike you, KNOW that * is lying to the American people:grr:

<http://www.antibush.fr.fm/>
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Peak_Oil Donating Member (666 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 09:16 PM
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9. Unfortunately...
einswine.com is now on my "only believe it if you took the pics yourself" list. I know there's all kinds of bad stuff that comes from DU, I'm a true believer. Not a doubt in my mind. But, einswine.com isn't the place I'm going to go to get my information from.

You can find enough antiBush information on the front page of the Wall Street Journal to fill your day. No need to go to dodgy sources.

I've had good luck with informationclearinghouse.info, tompaine.com, whatreallyhappened.com, lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/breakingnews, energybulletin.net, news.google.com, and I'm sure you know a hundred others, too.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 01:18 AM
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10. You are going on my DumbShit List
:crazy:You're pathetic :grr:
I'm sorry that your simple little mind can't handle the realities of War:grr:
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theresistance Donating Member (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 05:51 PM
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2. What's also incredible is that the White House website
had I propaganda piece (I'm not sure if it's still there) dismissing depleted uranium and even blamed the increased cancers in Iraq on Iraq's "use of chemical weapons". It was a load of lying crap that just sought to dismiss a massive health problem...
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 07:46 PM
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4. Here are a "few" more links to DU reports and stories
<http://www.iacenter.org/depleted/du.htm>

WHAT IS DEPLETED URANIUM? READ METAL OF DISHONOR TO SEE WHAT IS BEHIND THE HEADLINES

January 9, 2001-- The breaking news in Europe of troops from Italy, Belgium, Spain and Portugal who served in the Balkans dying of leukemia has reawakened interest in the dangers posed by depleted-uranium weapons.

In April 1999, the International Action Center published the second edition of a book of essays and lectures on depleted uranium. Its title is Metal of Dishonor: Depleted Uranium. The first edition had been published in 1997.

The Peoples Video Network, in collaboration with the IAC, produced a 50-minute-long video with the same title, Metal of Dishonor, that was favorably reviewed at film festivals in Italy.

Both the book and the video can be ordered online at: <http://www.leftbooks.com/online-store/scstore/c-Depleted_Uranium.html>
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 08:03 PM
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5. Here's a good one, Are there WMD's in Iraq? Yes, we use them...
From: The Sunday Herald
30 March 2003

US forces' use of depleted uranium weapons is 'illegal'

By Neil Mackay, Investigations Editor

BRITISH and American coalition forces are using depleted uranium (DU) shells in the war against Iraq and deliberately flouting a United Nations resolution which classifies the munitions as illegal weapons of mass destruction.

DU contaminates land, causes ill-health and cancers among the soldiers using the weapons, the armies they target and civilians, leading to birth defects in children.:mad:

More at <http://www.sundayherald.com/32522>
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Been Fishing Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 08:20 PM
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7. Thank You for the posting!
This is an extremely important topic and issue. But I'm not optimistic about action by the current administration to clean up the expended uranium.

Perhaps world opinion and foreign organizations provide the best audiences to generate action. Unfortunately, it may become just another high order environmental issue for only the few who will listen.
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 01:25 AM
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11. Thanks for the post, maybe one of these days someone will listen...
I just don't know anymore. We've had Scott Ritter, Doug Rokke and many others in town, metro are 5 million and not very many seem to even be aware. It's very sad

Look up Doug Rokke on google. Lots more info there and I'll contribute more tomorrow. Agent Orange pales in comparison to du.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 07:02 AM
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12. Really.
Half-life, anyone? :grr:
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 07:20 PM
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15. DU half-life? Oh, about 4.5 Billion years
I found this chart on the CCNR (Canadian, ?, Nuclear, ?):cry:

"The chart given below lists all of the decay products of uranium-238 in their order of appearance. Uranium-238 is also referred to as "depleted uranium..."

more at <http://www.ccnr.org/decay_U238.html>
<> :grouphug:
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Dear Maggie Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 08:44 AM
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13. At our doorstep alright
I know much of the focus has been on DU and Sarine and shots ... for troops and their health concerns in the first gulf war for instance,

and yet the main 'neurotoxin' (also a pesticide, solvent, poison) for them (and everyone else) is to 2-butoxyethanol It is on the list of solvents and pesticides the troops were exposed to. And even though it does all the things that they have ... it has not been studied.

The reason the USA has not found the real cause of gulf war syndrome ... or CFS .... or CFIDS is, in my opinion, that the chemical companies don't have to disclose the component. (Just have to give a few 'warnings')

Here are a few groups that someone should study And in the meantime, tell grandma to wear her airtight goggles and her chemical retardant gloves when she washes the bathtub.


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Anon Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 09:04 AM
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14. Here's a report done by some people who know what they are talking about
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