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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 09:25 PM
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So apparently, Condoleezza Rice's is a remarkable personal story.
That's what Chuck Hagel just told me, right before he started trudging down the same path that the Republicans (and Senators Lieberman and Feinstein) have been traveling all day. "Her story started in Birmingham, Alabama..."

This is why I could never be a Republican. I simply could never endorse someone with a record like Condi's. Everything that happened prior to 2001 is of no consequence to me, and it shouldn't be of any consequence to the Senators voting to confirm or reject her appointment as the head of United State's diplomacy.

It doesn't matter that she's black and was born in the twisted heart of segregation or that she went to college at age 15 or that she is an accomplished pianist or that she headed a major Ivy League school or that she has an oil tanker named after her.

Her personal story is meaningless.

What matters is that she was the belligerent National Security adviser that scowled her ways onto the airwaves in the run-up to the war in Iraq and repeated the talking points of the other warhawks - talking points, it was later proved beyond a doubt, that in no way reflected the reality of the situation in Iraq. And yet, we are told, the mess she created as a mouthpiece for the hawks and the fabrications she told are not her fault. It was "faulty intelligence." That's not an excuse. If you are one of the chief architects of an administration's foreign policy, it might behoove you to do some fact checking once in a while. It seems like you might avoid being "misled" by "faulty intelligence" if you just bothered to analyze the "facts" handed down from a subordinate intelligence agency.

But rewarding incompetence seems to be the hallmark of this administration, so congratulations Dr. Rice. You've made it, and all you've had to do was fail miserably at your job and take the lives of a few thousand.

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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 09:27 PM
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1. There are thousands of honest Americans, with experience
Edited on Tue Jan-25-05 09:27 PM by Eric J in MN
in diplomacy, who have remarkable personal stories of their own.

So why not choose someone honest for Sec. of State instead of a fearmonger like C. Rice?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 09:38 PM
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10. I don't think Condi is the real
fearmonger, it's the people she works for (NO, NOT ME). She's a talking head for blivet, but she still needs to take her licks for being aligned with Shrub and lying so damn much. Tell me again, why is she getting confirmed?:wow:
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 11:28 PM
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16. She's one of many fearmongers for George W. Bush (nt)
nt
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 09:28 PM
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2. Tell me about it.
Buy you know that's what they have to focus on. Because if they focused on her actual performance as National Security Advisor, they'd be fucked.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 09:29 PM
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3. Because she has a nice personal history
means she gets to lie like a rug? Not if i can help it.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 11:29 PM
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17. But she started playing piano at age 3! That means
it's ok if her lies about Iraq caused thousands of deaths.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 09:30 PM
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4. Didn't the media say Kerik had a remarkable personal story?
Edited on Tue Jan-25-05 09:31 PM by Robbien
Isn't that the standard BS the MSM throws out there creating a smokescreen around a rotten candidate. Isn't it the technique they are also reving up for Gonzales?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 09:32 PM
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5. She's black?
I know, I am so tired of letting her get away with anything with the poor black girl excuse. Give us a break. She f*ed up. Why the heck is she being given this position! This is outrageous. It's beside the point that she has a personal story. The JOB is what she's being hired for. rant rant rant.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 09:33 PM
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6. Pardon me, but she grew up in Birmingham, Alabama...African-American
AND wealthy.

Did the "biography" mention wealthy?

If you can get your hands on her first (and I think only---I think she grossed out Oprah) interview in "O," do it. I despised her after reading it, and that was well before Sept.11th.

She was so wealthy, her mother took her to "whites only" stores to shop and told the clerks to kiss off.

She knew one of the kids in the church bombing, and said it "didn't affect her life that much."

I wish I were making this up.

This is a woman from a privelidged background with no compassion for what was going on under her nose. I don't give a damn what "race" she is (and I don't like that anthropologically fake term btw)...in fact, I don't give a rat's ass if she was born purple....

Screw her.

Stephanie
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 09:36 PM
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9. I didn't know she came from
a propserous background. Not that that matters, but it's something else to salt away in the memory bank.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 09:41 PM
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11. As much as I hate to include this link
Bleah...the source...but, it says what I remember from the interview:

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2003/009/1.42.html

Her father, John W. Rice Jr., was a second-generation minister at Westminster Presbyterian Church and an educator. Her mother, Angelena, was a music teacher and church organist. From the beginning, the Rices resolved that their daughter would have the most nurturing, stimulating environment possible. A full schedule of activities ensued: youth group, piano, ballet, French, flute, violin, speed reading, and church every Sunday.

"I had parents who gave me every conceivable opportunity," Rice told Vogue.

"She always was the little lady," says McPhatter. An elegant and fashionable woman herself, Angelena took care to dress Condi stylishly. She took her daughter to the same fine clothing stores frequented by Birmingham's wealthy whites, and on more than a few shopping trips, Condi saw her mother stand up to segregationist store clerks.
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Maria Celeste Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 10:08 PM
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15. For that matter so did Barack Obama
Poor kids don't graduate from Punahou School.

Rice's background sounds more middle class that rich, but she clearly had more advantages than almost any black women growing up at that time. However, condemning her on that would be inappropriate. Her actions as part of the Bush Administration are more enough.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 09:33 PM
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7. Right on the nose, Fenris!
Regardless of her personal successes, all bets are off since she's aligned herself with the blivet and this admin. My turning point was when I heard about that memo concerning possible attacks by planes that she was aware of. There is no excuse that holds any water with me.
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ingasm Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 09:35 PM
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8. Oh Condi.
You are one ugly puppet.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 09:41 PM
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12. Kerik had a remarkable personal story too.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 09:43 PM
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13. Agreed. And I think Republicans are racist for using her like this.
They won't or are afraid to judge her fairly.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 09:51 PM
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14. They aren't using logic, they're using repitition
Edited on Tue Jan-25-05 09:52 PM by Skip Intro
If they say it enough, some people will begin to believe it so.

Its already the faux spin, evidently - talk about anything other than the issues being raised by the patriots in the Senate today.

somwhere between a quarter and a half of this nation believe at his mere utterance anything their lord bush puts forth. I'd bet these people would cheer the moron if he came out and said, "I've got some great things to say, but I can't, and I can't tell you why." Like drunken Homers, the flock would drool.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 11:33 PM
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18. She screwed up pre 9/11 intel and Iraq but she's a brilliant pianist.
And she was born in the segregated south with two strikes. She later was accepted by her oppressors with open arms to become a front for their actions against minorities worldwide.

What a gal.
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muse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 11:43 PM
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19. You are right. Even Bush has a remarkable personal story.
Almost flunked out of college and here he is president of the United States. Wow, what a guy. Lots of people have a remarkable personal story, but they shouldn't be in charge of matters of state, if they are not trustworthy and capable.
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