DU is on par with Aryan Nation?

[davidinalameda]

http://plaza.ufl.edu/slasher/extremists.htm

WARNING: Proceed at your own risk. This listing is not comprehensive by any means, but is a good representation of the largest and most influential of the organizations and the ideological undercurrents that influence their adherents. This page exists for reasons of intellectual curiosity only and are not representative of the views of the author. These sites are not necessarily violent in nature, but do advocate radical changes to, and/or the destruction of, the American way of life. Sites with asterisks mean that the website is currently down and possibly defunct.

[alexisfree]

1. anything that it makes your ass think...is evil?

:eyes:

[ArkDem]

52. Man, If I could get my ass to think I might be a genius!

;)

[w4rma]

2. Notice that Free Republic isn't listed. That site has no credibility. (nt)

[davidinalameda]

10. I looked

and noticed that too

[spanone]

13. This is a horseshit website. Who cares what these assholes think?

FreeRepublic is probably the sponsors. Absolute horseshit.

[AliciaKeyedUp]

44. Send them an e-mail

They sure listed a lot of nasty winger crap including tons of nasty Nazi sites. Maybe they just left it out.

I intend to send one as well.

[Ms. Clio]

58. It' s not a "they," it's just an extremist college punk's

university-furnished home page. This site has no credibility whatsoever, and really should just be laughed off, the way most of his profs probably laugh at him behind his back.

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

3. what in the hell

:wtf: seriously? what is this page about?

[UdoKier]

4. DU and GNN are "extreme left"?

So what does that make CPUSA?

DU is just liberal. I don't even think a fifth of us would qualify as "leftists".

[KamaAina]

5. "Radical changes to the American way of life"?

You mean like not hogging one-third of Earth's resources for six percent of its population? Or no longer invading other countries on trumped-up excuses to get even more? Or not keeping millions without basic food or shelter in the most affluent society in history?

Those kind of "radical changes to the American way of life"?

Your Honor, I plead Guilty. Guilty as charged.

[proudbluestater]

49. I would like to wrest control back from the NEOCONS.

Is THAT radical? IS THAT FUCKING GROUP ON THE LIST? PNAC? American Enterprise? If neither of those are, this list has zero credibility.

[medeak]

6. very disturbing

extremist is not what DU is.. skinner needs to respond

[Feathered Fish]

14. No need to respond to this crap

What a waste of time that would be. Of course we're not extremist - the creator of that website probably took one look at the word underground and jumped to conclusions.

[mattclearing]

28. Mary Beth Cahill said the same thing about the Swift Boat Liars...

...But I'm not willing to click on the link, and responding to Fox and the New York Times seems like response enough to me.

[Feathered Fish]

32. The swift boat liars are a completely different beast

Don't worry, this kid's website is puny and pathetic. Don't even bother with the link, there are many more interesting things out there.

[JHB]

21. Respond to Who? Some snotnosed Young Republican?

Cut up to the main site, and go to his "who am I" page;

NAME: Slasher / Arcane Paladin
E-MAIL:
AGE: 21
JOB: Full time college student
COLLEGE: University of Florida
MAJOR: Political Science , with minors in History and Aerospace Studies

Read: "I don't have a real job, and now I'm one of those Ivory Tower pointy-heads that my kind used to complain about"

EXTRACURRICULAR ACT.: Air Force ROTC, College Republicans, Gators for Israel

CAREER GOALS: Be commissioned in the Air Force, serve as an officer for at least 20 years, retire and enter government in one form or another.

Fine, serve your county in the military, then serve the people. Just like John Kerry, George McGovern, ....

INTERESTS: Political Ideologies, Military Strategy, Strategic Studies, Human Biodiversity, Evolutionary Psychology, Libertarian Economics, History, Comparative Politics

In other words, you're going for a Masters in "Blowhard".

POLITICAL CORRECTNESS: Absolutely none.

...a claim he can only make if he knows absolutely NOTHING about the subject, despite it allegedly being an interest and area of study of his.

[sweetheart]

54. With exceptionally bad colour taste to boot!

Barf on black is always "MY" favourite colour scheme.... NOOOOOT! :-)

Let people with no colour taste peruse his crap site. whaaateeevver

[da_chimperor]

7. The author is a freeper. They have international a.n.s.w.e.r. listed

as a neo-stalinist group. Take a look for yourself: http://www.internationalanswer.org/

[Tacos al Carbon]

12. Um, A.N.S.W.E.R. IS a neo-Stalinist group

Don't know about the rest of what the site says (haven't looked yet) but ANSWER is what it is.

[da_chimperor]

18. You're telling me it IS a neo-stalinist group?

Care to show me some evidence of that? I see nothing on the site that would lead me to believe that.

[NoPasaran]

22. It's a front for the neo-Stalinist Workers World Party

[brainshrub]

25. You have a link?

I'm looking at their site now. I see lots and lots and lots of sponsors, but that's why it's called a "coalition".

[NoPasaran]

42. Openly associating the controlling group with the front defeats

Openly associating the controlling group with the front defeats the purpose of having a "front".

But here are some links:
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/02/50/news-corn.php
http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2002/10/16/protest/
http://www.agrnews.org/issues/220/commentary.html
http://www.laborstandard.org/Iraq/Feldman_on_McReynolds.htm
http://lists.iww.org/pipermail/iww-news/2004-June/005581.html
http://www.dailycardinal.com/news/2003/10/29/Opinion/The-Wrong.Answer-541487.shtml
http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?bid=3&pid=385

[da_chimperor]

26. Interesting. Can't say i'm a fan of the worker's world party

but ANSWER is still fine in my book. :shrug:

[Tacos al Carbon]

27. Sure, I don't mind

International A.N.S.W.E.R. is a front group for the Stalinist World Worker's Party, which describes itself as "Marxist." In point of fact, the WWP enthusiastically supports the mass murdering, Stalinist regime of Kim Jung Il (which is perhaps the best example of a Stalinist regime remaining in the world ... the horrible and recent starvation of perhaps MILLIONS of North Koreans while the government continued to build its military is still a mystery to most of the world). Here is what the Washington Post's Michael Kelly wrote about A.N.S.W.E.R (link no longer available):

There is, increasingly, much that happens in the world that the Times feels its readers should be sheltered from knowing. The marches in Washington and San Francisco were chiefly sponsored, as was last October's antiwar march in Washington, by a group the Times chose to call in its only passing reference "the activist group International Answer."

International ANSWER (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism) is a front group for the communist Workers World Party. The Workers World Party is, literally, a Stalinist organization. It rose out of a split within the old Socialist Workers Party over the Soviet Union's 1956 invasion of Hungary -- the breakaway Workers World Party was all for the invasion. International ANSWER today unquestioningly supports any despotic regime that lays any claim to socialism, or simply to anti-Americanism. It supported the butchers of Beijing after the slaughter of Tiananmen Square. It supports Saddam Hussein and his Baathist torture-state. It supports the last official Stalinist state, North Korea, in the mass starvation of its citizens. It supported Slobodan Milosevic after the massacre at Srebrenica. It supports the mullahs of Iran, and the narco-gangsters of Colombia and the bus-bombers of Hamas.

. . .

There's more (much more) but I have to go out for a while.

[da_chimperor]

29. Wow, didn't see that coming.

Thanks for the info.

[Darranar]

68. No, it's not. Some of its backers are though. n/t

[Solly Mack]

8. Sounds like someone got banned from DU and is still irked

[brainshrub]

9. Interesting.

Extreme left?

Whatever. I didn't see a link to Free Republic, but that's probably because this country is so far to the right, anyone to the left of Mussolini is considered a radical.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

62. Well, if you're Mussolini

Everything to the left of Pinochet looks like "extreme left".

Yes, this is just some random loser who learned some basic HTML. In other words, nothing.

[johnaries]

11. If you think HONEST ELECTIONS are a radical change to the

American Way of Life, then I agree with the listing
:hippie:

[Cleita]

15. I don't think so.

You have to be a Caucasian, racist, sexist, anti-semetic, homophobic, Xtian, rednecked gun nut to qualify to join the Aryan Nation. I doubt if anyone at DU fits that profile.

It also helps if you are a sociopath with a prison record.

[VOX]

16. This guy is far right-wing. He's all into the "spread of democracy" lie.

Link back to his home page. He's a BushBot.

[da_chimperor]

20. We'll probably double his total hits just from this link.

[DireStrike]

65. Double?

He must have a lot of friends and family. =p

[imenja]

17. Some of the 9/11 theories floating around here are pretty strange.

The site varies a great deal, but there are some very odd posts from time to time.

[Tacos al Carbon]

19. I don't think he has it right

if anything, DU (and Chomsky, for that matter) belong in the second "gateway" group, if you consider the posts as a whole and don't base your opinion on some of DU's "greatest hits."

[Nordmadr]

33. This is interesting, all it took to get

democrats, ie liberals, to attack (if only to a small extent) people that are MORE liberal was to post this guys link. Now we have democrat moderates jabbing at the FURTHER left in an attempt to distance themselves from being considered Leftist or extreme. I'm not promoting any kind of political agenda, though I generally don't hide from my opinions. However, it seems to me that sometimes extreme times require extreme actions. So far I am nothing but a windbag to people that will listen, but I continue to feel that something has to really be DONE about the direction of this nation, and the world. Just don't know WHAT to DO.

I am sure SOME of the 9/11 theories around are a bit far fetched. IF you research, many of those theories are not so out there from a practical and logical standpoint.


I am a liberal and proud of it! I think this country needs more than just a new democrat for President (though that would be a start).

If anyone is listening, please point me to the liberal wing.

The time for moderation has quietly passed us by.

[imenja]

34. I have no objection to "extreme" views

What bothers me is positions, extreme or moderate, that are not based on evidence. This is the case with some of the 9/11 arguments. If we don't use logic and evidence to come to political positions, what distinguishes us from the fringe right?

Further, there is nothing particularly leftist about deciding George Bush blew up the world trade center. I would be surprised if a number of right wing groups didn't adhere to that same theory. It has typically been the right that has seen government as responsible for all ills that beset us. Such ideas are hysteria, not informed critiques of capitalism or corporate domination. There is nothing leftist about them.

[Nordmadr]

38. Now don't get me wrong...

I am not trying to focus on the events of 9/11 to make my point. I too believe in facts. I also believe in asking questions and uncovering secrets, which there are many of in this administration which seems to have little understanding of the concept of truth and openness needed in a government "of the people".

I simply discourage people from discarding theories (which by definition if it involves more than one person becomes conspiratorial), about any number of things, without first looking at the merits of any arguments and body of evidence.

Olaf

[imenja]

43. I've looked at some of these arguments

and had discussion with some posters who clearly "believed" something they had no evidence to prove. See my post below on Right Wing conspiracies.

[Nordmadr]

47. My concerns regarding 9/11

have everything to do with:

1) Gaps and "adjustments" in timelines

2) Hush-hush supposed military exercises that were going on that day dealing with aircraft and including live flying by military aircraft and being run by Cheney (I refuse to show him any respect by using his title)

3) The utter failure of a system that was routine and well used in the past (remember the pro-golfer's plane that went off course just a year or so before 9/11)

4) WTC-7 being "pulled". IE demolitions. When did those get set up?

...and many other things that remain curiously unexplained and unanswered. My curiosity and skepticism are further piqued by the resistance the Administration showed in having any investigation, including attempts to prevent one, attempts to underfund it, and attempts to prevent information gathering. The 9/11 commission was a joke.

[imenja]

48. My sense . . .

is that the government is frighteningly incompetent. I believe Bush tried to prevent the 9/11 investigation because they know they blew it. They refused to make terrorism a priority. If you listened to some of the testimony given at the hearing (much of the testimony, not just the report is public record) one FBI official acknowledged than John Ashcroft had told him he didn't want to be bothered anymore with this "terrorism" stuff. Ashcroft had more important priorities: pornography. Examples of sheer incompetence in various government agencies is astounding.
I am always willing to examine new evidence and change my mind accordingly. I do so often. But until I see something persuasive, I am not going to fault George Bush for PLANNING 9/11. I do fault him for failing to heed warnings offered by Clinton administration officials and dropping the ball on preventing the attack. (Not to mention the war and just about everything else is has done since assuming office). Hopefully Freedom of Information Requests in future decades will shed more light on the subject. The CIA 9/11 report should also be interesting, that is if Bush ever allows it to be released. We will likely see it one day--even if it is 25 years from now--though certainly not soon enough.

[Nordmadr]

50. Now that is a...

fair enough response.:) I too look forward to the day when the CIA 9/11 report comes out, though I have become increasingly skeptical of that happening, or at least happening in an "unedited" version. I believe this administration is working towards limiting what can be acquired through FOIA. Their attempt at keeping even more information from the public.

[imenja]

59. Bush and FOIA

You're quite right that Bush is limiting access to government documents through FOIA. One of his very first actions as president was to increase the time necessary for documents to be released, not coincidentally corresponding with what would have been the release of records from his father's administration. Historians protested the measure, but to no success. As you know, this may well be the most secretive presidential administration in our nation's history.
I hope, however, that reason and support for open government will prevail in future administrations, particularly if the Democrats can gain power again.

[imenja]

41. Aryan Nation on 9/11

Two right wing comments on 9/11 bombings, sited on the website of the Southern Poverty Law Center


"August Kreis
Director of Information for the Aryan Nations*, Ulysses, Penn.

"May the WAR be started," Kreis wrote even before the World Trade Center towers had collapsed. "DEATH to His enemies, may the World Trade Center BURN TO THE GROUND!"

Elsewhere, Kreis claimed "4,000 Israelis" worked in the Center's two towers but none were killed or wounded in the attacks. He suggested that this was because of "hints from the Israeli General Security Apparatus," and he referred to "unannounced suspicions on American officials who wanted to know how the Israeli government learned about the incident before it occurred... ."

He added, "We can blame no others than ourselves for our problems due to the fact that we allow ... Satan's children, called jews today, to have dominion over our lives."

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=296

Another source: "Richard F. Masker
Self-described "conspiratologist", Hayden Lake, Idaho

"Our New World Order treasonous government for sure knew about the plans for the WTC attack several weeks in advance and the Zionists saw the opportunity they had been diligently waiting for. ... When the planes hit the building the Israeli Mossad operatives used radio controlled detonators to bring the building down... .

"No human being has the mental ability to comprehend the degree of abject hatred that the Jew is capable of displaying toward all other non-Jews."
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=295

[salin]

23. Bwahaha he has "Campus Watch"

as an "anti extremist" group.

[brainshrub]

24. Ohhh I get it! The guy is a RWer! Check this out:

http://plaza.ufl.edu/slasher/aboutme.htm

NAME: Slasher / Arcane Paladin
E-MAIL:

AGE: 21

JOB: Full time college student

COLLEGE: University of Florida

MAJOR: Political Science , with minors in History and Aerospace Studies

EXTRACURRICULAR ACT.: Air Force ROTC, College Republicans, Gators for Israel

CAREER GOALS: Be commissioned in the Air Force, serve as an officer for at least 20 years, retire and enter government in one form or another.

INTERESTS: Political Ideologies, Military Strategy, Strategic Studies, Human Biodiversity, Evolutionary Psychology, Libertarian Economics, History, Comparative Politics

POLITICAL CORRECTNESS: Absolutely none.

[salin]

30. wingnut who wants to work for the govt til he retires...

interesting given how they are supposed to think that the government is too big, employs too many people, that no taxes should be paid to support it, etc.

[JHB]

31. See # 21 above n/t

[salin]

35. great minds and all of that jazz JHB...

;-) :hi:

[brainshrub]

39. Oops, you beat me by six minutes.

I liked your post better.

[imenja]

45. I didn't need to see his CV to know that

it's pretty obvious from the selection of sites he chose.

[mogster]

56. And check out his influences:

http://plaza.ufl.edu/slasher/influences.htm

We giveth: Tony Blair, Otto Von Bismarck, Ronald Reagan, Milton Friedman AND Robert Heinlein, no less.

Not exactly what you'd call centrist, mr. Slasher ;-)

[LynnTheDem]

36. LOL!!!

"radical changes"...do they mean like concentrating all govt power to the Pentagon and president?

Or like taking away civil liberties to make us "safe"?

Or for the first time in US history and in absolute violation of the Unites States Constitution making wars of aggression US policy?

Or perhaps they mean radical change to the American way of life such as inciting the entire world into hating us?

Oh wait...forget all the above, that's the US government website, not DU!

[Bethany Rockafella]

37. If FR isn't listed then this site is bogus.

Enough said.

[Walt Starr]

66. BINGO! It's a Reichwinger extraordinaire!

Read this About Me from the same site:

NAME: Slasher / Arcane Paladin

E-MAIL:
AGE: 21

JOB: Full time college student

COLLEGE: University of Florida

MAJOR: Political Science , with minors in History and Aerospace Studies

EXTRACURRICULAR ACT.: Air Force ROTC, College Republicans, Gators for Israel

CAREER GOALS: Be commissioned in the Air Force, serve as an officer for at least 20 years, retire and enter government in one form or another.

INTERESTS: Political Ideologies, Military Strategy, Strategic Studies, Human Biodiversity, Evolutionary Psychology, Libertarian Economics, History, Comparative Politics

POLITICAL CORRECTNESS: Absolutely none.

http://plaza.ufl.edu/slasher/aboutme.htm

[brainshrub]

40. Self Deleted.

Could be anyone.

[imenja]

46. He lists ANSWER as neo-Stalinist

Is this in keeping with Christopher Hitchens argument that Saddam's was a Stalinist state and those who oppose the war likewise Stalinists? I wonder if Pat Buchanan considers himself a neo-Stalinist?

[eagler]

51. Why is Free Republic not on the list/

nt

[davidinalameda]

53. didn't think I'd get this kind of response to this post

wonder if University of Florida allows this kind of trash on their servers

[tom_paine]

55. No Free Republic or Lucianne

Not as if those sites are host to murderous fantasies of random murder of Liberals at least once every 10 minutes somewhere on those boards.

On the other hand, it could just be an honest oversight.

But even then, to list DU in that company is insane, but to leave our Freepers and Luciannebots is nutty.

[jonnyblitz]

57. National Lawyers Guild is listed also. nt

[blindpig]

60. this is pure o'Really

anyone to the left of Holy Joe is an extremist bombthrower and is morally equivalent to a Nazi.

Got to give those bastards credit, there's more than one arrow in their quiver. If screaming hate don't work for you then maybe faux moderation will.....the old broad brush.

[vetwife]

61. This is pretty disturbing IMO

I find this disturbing and agree DU being on this list makes me uncomfortable. The Smirking Chimp is not on the list. All Hat No Cattle and several other sites. This is VERY DISTURBING !

[Solon]

63. I would take it as a compliment...

We were able to gain the attention of a college puke wanker, and now he makes a pathetic attempt at trying to effect our credibility, when in reality, our site probably gets 10,000x more hits per day. He's a fucking wanker, not worth sweating about.

[DemGirl7]

64. This is too funny.....I've always wanted to be part of an extremist group

but I never had the guts to proceed in joining...lol!!!

[Darranar]

67. This is utter nonsense. n/t

[Zynx]

69. YAY! - We're an extremist group!

Sounds much more potent than "whiny liberals." Freepers better go hide under the table.}( :evilgrin:

j/k

This is rediculious, BushBOT or not.