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n2mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 03:17 PM
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Any thoughts on this article? Faith based college
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 03:22 PM
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1. We must stop using "faith-based" and start using "enforced Christianity"
Edited on Wed Jan-26-05 03:23 PM by rocknation
They have hired a Phoenix pastor with no academic experience as the new chancellor and have eliminated the faculty's traditional tenure system. Soon the investors will announce plans to slash tuition by a third and make the first two years of college free to students willing to spend two years in a church outreach program.

No different from teachers working off their student loans by working in failing school districts. Or even joining the military to get money for college (if you live).

:headbang:
rocknation
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 03:24 PM
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3. Excellent -- will have to remember that one
It makes a great point -- thus far, none or perhaps just one of the grantees from the Office of Faith-Based Initiatives has NOT been a Christian group.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 03:24 PM
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2. My ,my when did we take a turn to Fascist Gernany?
Tongue in cheek firmly implanted ok... and O'reilly talks of Islamo Fascism, what is this? Trying to avoid the log in his eye?
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 03:36 PM
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5. That drives me nuts when O'Lielly says something like that.
Edited on Wed Jan-26-05 03:39 PM by Maat
First of all, he is referring to totalitarianism, not facism. In order to have fascism, you have to have a marriage between corporations (and corporate interests) of a sovereign state and the government. That is not what Nuthead is referring to - he is talking dictatorship. O'Lielly - get it straight!

Second, what the devil is his point! That we have the right to invade and bomb a sovereign state because we disagree with their system of government and political beliefs? If any other country did that, we'd be accusing them of a war crime.

What is up with that guy AND the people who listen to him? Sorry. EOR.

I, for one, wouldn't be sending my kid to this school. A weird thing is happening to me. I have always been against the idea of school vouchers, and still am. But, I'm wondering if progressive aren't going to have to take a two-tract approach to things: (1) continue fighting for decent public education, and no school vouchers, and (2) establishing private schools in which the prevalent philosophy is not the indoctrination of the beliefs of the religious right.

Thoughts?
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 03:25 PM
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4. Will they send me a Faith Based Diploma?
Just asking. :)
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 03:40 PM
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6. "Non-competes" at a university that is not a research university?
    "The new owners proposed that faculty members sign a contract that would bar any of them who left the university from teaching anywhere for two years."


Since research grants are apparently not an issue --- they might be better off going with part-timers ("adjuncts"). Figuring that truly faith based faculty would work "part time" for "peanuts" if they could "keep their day job" to pay the mortgage and groceries.

    See, e.g., Grove City College - and its long time "informal" relationship with Carnegie Mellon University -- just one example


Of course, they may not be interested in subject matter knowledgeable faculty - just loyal, faith based faculty who would hew to the doctrinal line --- and a 'non-compete" would be irrelevant.
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n2mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 04:05 PM
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8. Wondering
if how much faith based money went to this college.
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 03:49 PM
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7. It will be interesting to see if they lose their accreditation
excerpts:

"The question now: Can Christian capitalism work in a higher education setting?"

"It remains to be seen whether such changes will affect the school's accreditation; it's doubtful they will, however, as pieces of what they're doing are being done at different universities around the country.

Despite the faith-based emphasis, there are questions about whether the university is drifting from its Christian mission. It's a charge the new ownership denies, even while designing the online courses to be "values-based," but without any explicit Christian content."

Christian Capitalism---good term
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