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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 09:32 PM
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How does Bush get away all this crap?
He lies, is exposed as a liar, continues to lie and is FINE!
He cheats, is exposed as a cheat, continues to cheat and is FINE!
He breaks the law, is exposed as a criminal, continued to break the law and is FINE!
He takes no responsibility for anything, alienates all countries of the world, creates wars, causes death and destruction, instigates torture, destroys the financial future of the U.S....

and he is FINE!

No problems. Just jim dandy here and life is good!

Any one of these things would mean political suicide for anyone else. How can he continue to be so blatantly horrific and experience no consequences at all? It's obvious why things are getting worse, someone who does this shit without any consequences will do more with more. LIke a gambler who's on a winning streak. He'd invincible. Unassailable.

Why!? How can he get away with it? This breaks everything I've heard about the checks and balances that make this country work.

I'm completely mystified.
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MSgt213 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 09:36 PM
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1. I truly believe that Bush could murder someone on the White House steps
and his supporters would turn it into a heroic act and his popularity would just soar.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 09:38 PM
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4. Bush could murder?
Well, I just can't go that far. There would have to be some action, but I don't know if it would be judicial action. More likely would be someone murdering HIM if they got the chance.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 10:15 PM
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26. He already has committed murder by proxy.
All those soldiers killed in Iraq, and Iraqi civilians killed, died because he lied about the WMD and nuclear capabilities of Saddam. They were murdered just as surely by proxy as if he had done it himself. His actions directly caused their unnecessary deaths and he doesn't care that he caused these deaths.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 10:22 PM
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30. Did you see the sign in DC that said...
"WAR IS LATE TERM ABORTION" --

I loved that one!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 11:22 PM
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36. I did and it's so true. n/t
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proudbluestater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 12:26 AM
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38. If he murdered, he'd probably get probation. Daddy'd get him off
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Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 01:19 AM
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40. He'd claim self defense & his supporters would proclaim him a hero.
They'd be so proud of him for being such a manly man. :beer:
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bermudat Donating Member (985 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 09:46 PM
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12. I agree with you completely.
He could murder a newborn babe on the 6 o'clock news and lick the blood from his fingers and the media could still blame it on the Clintons and the Democrats.
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 10:20 PM
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28. So long as it wasn't a fetus.....
if it was a fetus, he'd be in deep doodoo with his own party. If it was a born-already-once kid, no problem.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 09:55 PM
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16. I agree
He would just say how terrible the murder was and how he grieves for the family.

And when they show the video of him shoving the dagger into the man's heart he would say that HE had nothing to do with it.

And from that point on, HE had nothing to do with it.

And the country's heart would go out to him and sympathize with his pain. What a noble, sensitive man. His popularity would rise and his power would increase.

What the hell is going on here?
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 09:36 PM
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2. Kablooie, I believe...
.. that this tiny turkey of a Teflon president will *eventually* be tarnished by his tawdry tumultuous puffery.

The question is WHEN and HOW MUCH DAMAGE the U.S. will have to sustain before we get to that point? And how many more kids and others will have to DIE in this war?
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 09:37 PM
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3. Excellent question...
However, I don't have an answer for you either. It is beyond mind blowing. It defies all logic and reason.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 09:39 PM
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5. Yep, defies logic and reason...
I've felt that way since Kerry conceded on November 3, 2004 -- "a day that will live in infamy!"
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 09:39 PM
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6. Why does Bruce Willis survive in "Die Hard"?
Edited on Wed Jan-26-05 09:39 PM by bemildred
It's show business. Even in really bad movies the hero wins.
Watch out when the theater collapses though.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 09:44 PM
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9. bemildred, this is not true in all movies...
Heroes can have feet of clay -- they can tear at their women and abuse their children while fighting evil. And they can go down in a big blaze of fiery indifference on screen. The question is -- do we care about them, their character, and what happens to them?

This president is no hero. It may take days, months, years, or decades for this to become apparent. Or it could happen tomorrow with the right circumstances.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 09:47 PM
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14. Yeah, but this is a bad movie.
Nothing "reality based" about it.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 09:39 PM
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7. MSM . . .
firmly in the pockets of the corporations that benefit from Lancelot Link's tax breaks. That's pretty much all you need . . . that and about 100 million retards that share the same brain, staring lobotomized at these stations every night and listening to Shrub praise and "lib'rul/furriner/mooslim" hatred.

Doesn't hurt that one of the MSM's leading pimps doubles as a defense contractor most likely making Pentagon (read: American Taxpayer) billions off of this illegal war.

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njdemocrat106 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 09:42 PM
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8. Easy. His party owns the media.
"Liberal" media my ass. Conservatives have sure done a good job inventing a myth and convincing people it's true.
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bermudat Donating Member (985 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 09:44 PM
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10. He gets away with it because the BFEE controls the media.
Howard Stern says he is the king of all media, but bush and his cronies are. They control network media (Brian Williams heads GE-TV - need I say more), control the airwaves with hate radio, print media (Krauthammer, Safire and Will routinely soil my newspaper), and the cable news channels. They have made intelligence something to sneer at ('pin headed elitists') and most Americans are as incurious as their president.
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codswallop Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 09:45 PM
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11. It's a mystery wrapped in a riddle.
An enigma.
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Ms Chicklet Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 09:46 PM
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13. Because the sheeple let him
They think because he speaks about "values" and "faith" and against abortion, he has to be a good man. They don't like hearing the contradictory truth. Thinking's too hard for them, so they let KKKarl do it for them.
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 09:52 PM
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15. Collective Psychosis; Bush Followers Deny the Obvious
Two articles which are critical to understanding Bush and his continued level of support are by Paul Levy. I'll provide excerpts and links.

WHY DO BUSH SUPPORTERS DENY THE OBVIOUS?
http://www.awakeninthedream.com/bushsupporters.html

excerpt

...what we have- a criminal and traitor sitting in the White House pretending he is a patriot, wrapping himself in the flag.” The evidence of Bush and Company’s corruptness and duplicity is beyond overwhelming, and it is literally everywhere, staring us in the face. Why are so many people looking away and not noticing? I find myself no longer interested in trying to convince anyone of what a madman, criminal and traitor Bush is, though it’s not for lack of trying. What I find more fruitful is to contemplate why people who are supporting Bush are both unwilling and seemingly unable to see the evil that is playing out through him. People who follow Bush are in denial about something that to the overwhelming majority of the world could not be more obvious.

The denial of people who support Bush is a form of blindness. People who support Bush are refusing to look at what is right in front of their eyes, an evil that they themselves are complicit in and participating in by their denial. People who are following Bush are acting out of their unconscious. It is as if they have fallen asleep and are dreaming, entranced by their own projections. It is as if they are bewitched, having fallen under a spell. They are living in what John Kerry calls “a fantasy world of spin,” ignoring and oblivious to any facts that contradict their worldview. It is exactly like they are hypnotized, like they are brainwashed. People who follow Bush are behaving exactly like members of a cult who have blindly and unquestioningly given away their power to their leader. They have left behind their critical thinking, dis-connecting from their capacity to discern truth from fiction. Not to mention selling their soul in the bargain. People who support Bush are suffering from a collective psychosis. Why else would they be supporting a madman for President? It is shattering to look in the mirror and see that we, as a people, have gone temporarily mad.

There is a psychic epidemic manifesting in our country right now, and millions of people in our populace have fallen prey to it. There is no sense pretending otherwise. It is of the most profound importance that we notice and understand the psychological nature of the collective malady that we, as a people, are suffering from. Understanding the psychological nature of our illness gives us insight into how to treat it.

By looking away from what Bush is doing and naively supporting him, people are complicit in and feeding Bush’s malignant psychosis. There is something about the depth of depravity, though, that is enacting itself through the Axis of Evil represented by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Rice, Rove and others that is so dark that it induces in some of us a tendency to pretend that it isn’t really happening. The malevolent energy that is playing itself out through Bush is very hard to look at. People look away, as it is too horrific. The intensity of the evil provokes people to rationalize it, to justify it, to explain it away. It triggers a tendency in people to fall asleep. We like to imagine that people couldn’t be THAT corrupt, THAT two-faced, THAT evil. It is truly shocking to see the depth of depravity a human being can fall into. It is doubly shocking when we realize that these criminally insane individuals control the most powerful nation on earth.

full article at above link

THE MADNESS OF GEORGE W. BUSH: A REFLECTION OF OUR COLLECTIVE PSYCHOSIS
http://www.awakeninthedream.com/georgew.html

excerpt

George W. Bush is ill. He has a psycho-spiritual dis-ease of the soul, a sickness that is endemic to our culture and symptomatic of the times we live in. It’s an illness that has been with us since time immemorial. Because it’s an illness that's in the soul of all of humanity, it pervades the field and is in all of us in potential at any moment, which makes it especially hard to diagnose.

Bush, like all of us, is both a manifestation of this deeper field and simultaneously an agent effecting this field. He’s become so fully taken over by the disease, all the while not suspecting a thing, that he’s become a "carrier" for this deadly disease, thus infecting the field around him. He’s become a portal through which the field around him "warps" in such a way as to feed and support his pathogenic process. A non-local, reciprocally co-arising and interdependent field of unconscious denial and cover-up gets constellated around Bush to enable and protect his pathology. People who support Bush are actually complicit with and enabling Bush’s madness in a co-dependent, self-reinforcing feedback loop that is ‘closed,’ which is to say it is insular and not open to any feedback from the ‘real’ world.

By projecting the shadow, Bush is unwittingly being a conduit for the deepest, archetypal evil to possess him from behind, beneath his conscious awareness, and to act itself out through him. At the same time, ironically enough, he identifies with the light and imagines that he is divinely inspired. To quote Jung, a person in a position of power who has become dissociated like Bush “even runs the grave risk of believing he has a Messianic mission, and forces tyrannous doctrines upon his fellow-beings.” He then believes that any action he desires is justified in the name of God, as he can rationalize it as being God's will. Unable to self-reflect, he is convinced of the rightness of his viewpoint, which he considers non-negotiable. This is a very dangerous situation, as Bush has become unconsciously identified with and possessed by the hero, or savior archetype. This figure is religious in nature, as it derives from the transpersonal, archetypal dimension of the collective unconscious. Being inflated with the hero archetype, he (archetypically) wants to save the world from evil and to liberate the planet.














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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 10:00 PM
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17. I wonder when GW will start doing Kool-Aid commercials?
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Sleepless In NY Donating Member (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 10:00 PM
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18. Because there is no real opposition party
So many things they could have and should have gone after bush for, beginning with 9/11. I'm afraid we have defeated ourselves.

"Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear."
Harry S Truman, August 8, 1950
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 10:00 PM
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19. excellent links. I'd like to see what the author suggests those of us
who are "awake" should do.

Seems that screaming the truth to the rooftops isn't helping.
The kool-aid people aren't ready to wake up yet.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 10:03 PM
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20. It's been proven that by the time the Kool-Aid people wake up...
they are already dead.
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 10:08 PM
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22. I read here about when the Russians drove through Berlin,
they saw some people standing on the rubble, waving Nazi flags.

oh, and off topic, but I used your screen name in a funny thread in the Lounge, just a few moments ago! LOL
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Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 01:17 AM
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39. I think many * supporters would do the exact same thing.
Can you imagine their reaction if his crimes were on the front page of the NYT? Or if impeachment proceedings were started? They'd claim it was "sour grapes" or he was framed. They'd never, ever admit that he actually *did* anything wrong. Never.
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RockStar Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 10:03 PM
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21. Because 60% of america is stupid, Idiotic, and plain Dillusional.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 10:20 PM
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29. My husband keeps using that argument...
"People are stupid"
"People are stupid"

But we don't know anyone who is as stupid as Bush. (Oh, one relative by marriage and one of my husband's friends voted for Bush.)

So what am I supposed to do about the "fact" that people are stupid? We go around and around on this! Unbelievable!
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Ms Chicklet Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 09:44 AM
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41. They're mainly lazy
Edited on Thu Jan-27-05 09:45 AM by Ms Chicklet
They're sooooooo busy ferrying the children to and from soccer practice, and going to work, mass-forwarding the latest "guardian angel" glurge, etc., that they don't want to take the time to be responsible citizens.

Informing yourself involves reading, listening, watching and critical thinking. That takes time and effort. The sheeple don't want to deal with that. They want Minute rice, instant coffee, one-skillet meals and their news in easy, pre-chewed bites that are liberally seasoned with their own prejudices. That's why Faux News thrives - they spoon-feed Cream of Wheat reporting to the masses. It goes down easy, has no taste and little nutritional value.
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moggie12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 10:12 PM
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23. He and Rove are master manipulators
They play on patriotism, flag-waving, "anti-liberal" propaganda, and a host of other tricks. It doesn't help that they have an entire cable news network helping them and that the mainstream media sheep follow along dumbly.

Maybe the tide is turning, though: Iraq is a disaster and Boxer is stiffening the Dems' backbones.

In the meantime, here's one way to help -- sign the petition in support of the Senate Dems' new 10-point legislative agenda. My post in GDP provides the link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1525891


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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 10:13 PM
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24. It's because most people are convinced he's "too dumb"
to be mean
or to pull off anything cunning.
I hjave been begging Democrats to stop calling him dumb since 2001 when I saw how much he benefits from it, but people love the feeling of superiority too much, it seems.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 10:15 PM
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25. Not enough noise machine, just blowing off the Republican
spin. It has to start at the top to give it any creditablity and be repeated over and over and loudly by us...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 10:19 PM
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27. The corporate media!
The Fascist media!
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 10:37 PM
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31. GW isn't dumb.
He is a Silverspoon Sociopath with average IQ but has brain damage from years of alcohol and cocaine use. He is devious,clever arrogant and serves the elite.

Trying to turn around the Fascists and the Cult of the Bush Junta is pointless. Dems could stop trying to be Rethug lite and find a charismatic leader that fire up the base with Democratic ideals. Barb Boxer may be that person.
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KissMeKate Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 10:38 PM
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32. go along to get along
the media and the appeasement Dems - thats why he gets away with it.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 10:40 PM
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33. I think they are buying their enemies off. Cold, Hard Cash.
:shrug:
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 10:40 PM
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34. it's the media
no more, no less. the US will recover as soon as the media is dismantled - not before, not after.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 10:48 PM
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35. I absolutely agree with
you, TOJ!
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proudbluestater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 12:19 AM
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37. In the words of Gore Vidal, a "corrupt media." Which is far
different than just a complacent media. This would NOT be happening if the media did the job it was supposed to do. The Democrats do not help much, either, voting in nominees that lie and think torture is fine.

Then there's the voting process which is also corrupt.
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 10:08 AM
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42. We've had a neo-con
coup and now the law does not apply to George W. Bush.

We, in America, have leadership that is above the law and we have no opposition to do anything about it. Our leadership hides behind war and nationalism in order to suppress opposition.

In addition, we have a bought, corrupt press; and we have a deeply divided nation.

George W. Bush will not be held accountable until things get bad at home and the 'Murkin Peeple begin to actually suffer from tolerating lawless leadership. He will be above the law until the nation unites enough to do something about it.
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