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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 12:29 PM
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Mormons love Bush...90% of them!
Mormons saddle up for Bush's second coming but hope for a little humility

Religious right in Utah rein in their enthusiasm as inauguration nears

Julian Borger in Bountiful, Utah
Wednesday January 19, 2005 The Guardian

George Bush never campaigned in Utah. He did not need to. Without showing up, he won 71% of the vote here in November, the biggest majority in any state. This is the land of the faithful in more ways than one. The church of the Latter-day Saints dominates public and private life from its multi-steepled white stone temple in Salt Lake City, and its influence is spreading wider with every passing year.

The Latter-day Saints, also known as Mormons, believe that America was first peopled by a lost tribe of Israelites and then visited by Jesus. Now they have shrugged off their polygamous past and represent the country's fastest growing religion with more than 4 million members. Their church is bigger than some of the "mainstream" Protestant denominations including the Presbyterians and Episcopalians.

In President Bush's America, the Mormons are the mainstream and nearly 90% of them voted to re-elect him.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1393262,00.html
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 12:31 PM
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1. Doesn't surprise me.
Sorry to the Democratic LDS members here, but from what I've seen, very few LDS don't vote republican.

My first cousin was raised LDS in Waxahachie, Texas, then went to BYU, married a Mormon and is raising their six kids in Provo.

She once told me "I did everything right."

I have no doubt she and her husband are BIG bush supporters.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 12:32 PM
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2. Yeah, and they wear their jammies all day long
Edited on Thu Jan-27-05 12:38 PM by wtmusic
you going to listen to them? :crazy:
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WildClarySage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 12:35 PM
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3. over their sacred underpants
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alexisfree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 12:35 PM
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4. mmmmm....
they are very not in favor of gays and the abortion deal...:eyes:
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 12:37 PM
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5. Well of course, since all Mormons live in Utah!
Edited on Thu Jan-27-05 12:41 PM by Radical Activist
Actually, a little over 10% of all Mormons world-wide live in Utah. The political makeup of Mormons outside Utah is much more diverse than 90% Republican.

I guess it was too quick and easy to assume that since people in Utah vote Republican and many people in Utah are Mormon that all Mormons vote Republican. That assumption may be easy but it is also ignorant and wrong. There is a difference between Utah political culture and Mormon political culture in other regions.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 01:15 PM
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21. You're right that mormons elsewhere are more diverse
LDS in Utah are extremely conservative, and the LDS culture there is quite different from the LDS culture farther away from SLC. Northern Colorado, Idaho, Utah, and Wyoming have pretty different LDS cultures too, relative to the rest of the country.

But even away from Utah, mormons tend to be conservative. There are exceptions, and I know some fairly and some very liberal mormons who still consider themselves devout, but they are in the minority of the mormon community and they know it. As an institution, the mormon church is more conservative politically than, say, the Catholic church, and excercises more centralized control than, say, the Southern Baptist Convention, so it's not terribly surprising that most of those who consider themselves devout mormons would also be conservative.
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BeeBee Donating Member (480 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 12:41 PM
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8. I was born and raised in Bountiful, UT...
and I'm a gay liberal atheist. I have no doubt that the majority of Utahns supported Bush--it was difficult growing up there with opposing viewpoints.
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StephanieMarie Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 12:48 PM
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10. Utah is only 50% Mormon now.
California has the largest number of Mormons out of the 50 states, and it went for Kerry.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 12:53 PM
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11. In my experience, those Mormons who resettle in California
tend to be liberals and prefer to be as far away from the mothership as they can get. Although, Disney studios are still Mormon controlled it usually helps to have the recommendation of Mormon bishop to get a job there.

I know. I applied for an accounting position there once and wasn't called back for an interview. I mentioned it to a Mormon friend of mine who said that her Bishop could put a word in for me. (???) Well in the meantime I got another job, but sure enough I did get a call for another interview a week after I had talked to my friend.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 01:00 PM
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13. So do you think
that particular Bishop may have worked at Disney at one time or had friends there. Or would you say there is a big Mormon conspiracy that controls Disney and it works if you get just any Mormon Bishop to recommend you? Just asking. :tinfoilhat:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 01:23 PM
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26. From what I understood Mormons controlled the company at
high levels and therefore preferred workers that were like minded. What people don't know is that Mormons control a lot of businesses. They are very good at it. Many of the casinos and hotels in Las Vegas are Mormon controlled. Marriott hotels started out as a Mormon controlled business. The church encourages business ventures because all good Mormons must tithe 10% of their income, which makes the Church of Latter Day Saints very rich. The money pays for all those gold statues of the angel Moroni worlwide and all the missions they are involved in.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 01:38 PM
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30. I've read the things you posted before too
Mostly in anti-Mormon hate literature designed to make them look like an evil cult. I just think there are some similarities to the kind of stuff you're repeating and what I hear said about Jews in business. There's a subtle kind of prejudice that I'm guessing you didn't pick up on, or you didn't see it that way.

The claim that Mormons started the casinos in Vegas is also used to tie them to the mob.
I'm guessing the little gold statues, which are not pure gold, aren't a huge expense. You might have instead mentioned all they give to the needy, or the relief they give during every disaster to people who aren't Mormon, including with the recent tsunami.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 02:18 PM
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32. So because one Mormon Bishop
may have called in a recommendation for you and then you got a call back (which may or may not have been because of the recommendation) that means that Mormons control Disney and discriminate against others. Never mind the fact that you got a call even though you aren't Mormon. There are facts and there are ways of interpreting facts that lend themselves to stereotypes and prejudice.

Again, 90% of Mormons did not vote for Bush. Most Mormons *in Utah* voted for Bush. Perhaps Massachusetts is a evil cult since so many of them voted for Kerry?

I can find embarrassing or evil things that members of any religion have done. I don't take those individual cases and use them as an excuse to call an entire religion evil or make broader stereotypes out of singular events.

By the way, a lot of my best friends are Jewish.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 12:57 PM
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12. Actually it is greater than 70%
Edited on Thu Jan-27-05 01:00 PM by wuushew
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illflem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 01:08 PM
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18. "Member " and practicing are two different things.
Many of the Mormons I know call themselves jack Mormons and are as immoral as they come.
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alexisfree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 01:01 PM
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15. no wonder...
they are knocking on my door all the time!!!..I send them to the men upstairs!..a repuke.
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eallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 01:08 PM
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17. Don't confuse "number" with "fraction."
California has 35 million people. Utah has just under 2.5 million. That means California could have more Mormons that Utah, and that they would still be a small fraction of California's population.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 01:01 PM
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14. Big Surprise
They just built a huge fuking church here (we are on the old morman trail route) and always come a knockin on my door.

:puke:

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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 01:14 PM
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20. Robert Bennett and Orrin Hatch...
Need one say more?
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 01:19 PM
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24. Don't forget Harry Reid
is Mormon as well.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 01:17 PM
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22. yet the article points out that even among them there is "unease"
about many of Bush's policies and personality.
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KissMeKate Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 01:17 PM
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23. boycott marriot
- Marriot supports bush.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 02:24 PM
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33. Great. They can do their two year mission in the Triangle of Death
converting the heathens with an M-16 and a Bradley Fighting Vehicle.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-05 04:04 PM
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34. Well, no offense to Mormons, but it's hardly surprising.
b*sh voters tend to be close-minded and cultish...just like Mormons.

I know of what I speak - I am ex-Mormon. Mainly because being in a cult is creepy, especially when said cult uses "porn" and electroshock therapy to "cure" queer folk like myself.

Sorry to the Mormons on the board - I respect your right to your faith, but not the faith itself.

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