Who/What is God?-How Come Jehovah Never Dated?

[poe]

God-paranoid,ill-tempered and totally aloof;best known by his absence. Judaeo-Christian culture owes its success to the fact that Jehovah never shows his face. What better way to control the masses than through fear of an omnipotent force whose authority can never be challenged because it is never direct? Jehovah almost alone of the ancient gods never married. Never even went out on a date. No wonder he was such a neurotic, authoritative prick.

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[aquart]

7. That's a bum rap and I can prove it.

Why are you blaming the god with the clean record when there was a clear sex offender in the neighborhood???? Huh??? WHO was occupying the area? ROME! Who was the big cheese god of Rome? Jupiter! What was Jupiter's alias? Zeus! Let me acquaint you with Zeus' rap sheet:

The rape of Europa (as a bull)
The rape of Danae (golden shower, too kinky)
The rape of Leda (as a swan)

So, WHO do you think Mary met up with on a dark night?

[arcane1]

10. ah-hah! Zeus was the Holy Ghost!

Brilliant deduction! :thumbsup:

[mr_hat]

2. No biblical evidence of a sense of humor. Can't trust a god like that.

[aquart]

11. Any Jew can tell you God has a sense of humor.

We do not necessarily find funny what He finds funny.

[mr_hat]

22. Surely you're not suggesting god has a better sense of humor?

The punchline is hidden from us?

[A HERETIC I AM]

3. Dont forget baby killing - genocidal and bloodthirsty!

hey! the bible tells me so!

[aquart]

8. Jehovah is the one who stoppd that stuff.

[Spinzonner]

4. Very dangerous

try thinking of something that could nag an omnipotent, omniscient entity.

Satan would be a pussycat by comparison.

[aquart]

12. I would think repetitious prayer could be irritating.

[hughee99]

5. If a god never shows his face...

then is he necessarily responsible for the actions of those who think they are doing what he wants? Lots of people within the Judeo-Christian faith have differing ideas about what "god wants". They can't all be right, some (perhaps all) are misguided (at best) or corrupting belief in god for their own purposes (at worst). Is this god doing bad things to us or are people doing this to each other using god as an excuse?

[zeemike]

6. You ask what is god?

Well I say god is you and god is me
And when you get right down to it
God is in that tree.

Is he good or is he bad?
I say he is your own reflection seen in the glass darkly
And if it is dark and brooding that is you.
And if he is laughing his ass off at how the unaware are so confused
Then that is me.

[RC]

9. And another thing...

If this God has the power to and the wherewith all to make the whole universe, would he/she/it know about or care about this arrogant species that kills each other in this Gods name?
And so many think he wants to be worshiped by us? What does that say about this God? If true, how petty and egotistical this God must be.

[poe]

14. With nothing left to know wouldn't life be boring-and an eternity of....

being everywhere- no new places to see; and an eternity of being all powerful-no new challenges. if he's always looking down on us is that out of disappointment-scornful bastard. and wouldn't that hurt your neck anyways.

[zeemike]

15. to make the whole universe,

You first need a whole lot of nothing
And then you need a whole lot of something to fill it in with
But why do you do that? is the nothing bad and so needs to be replaced?
But when you get right down to it if there were no bad there could be no good right?
so what do you expect from a reality that has both and needs them both to exist.
A perfect world of nothing or something?

[poe]

18. Pondering the nothingness of the Big Bearded Guy in the Sky

Head to Jemez and make the Universe whole. Let's keep the Spirit alive.

[pinto]

13. lol. Jehova never went out on a date.

I have no idea what you're getting at, and no offense, it struck me as funny.

[poe]

16. Imagine an eternity with no companionship-

and who would want to hang out with such a judgemental know- it- all, let alone sit through a movie as he tells you what's gonna happen next as he's seen it all.

[pinto]

19. now, I see your point. Do you think God is lonely, if that's possible?

I've always liked the idea that he made humans in his image for someone to talk to.

Didn't mean to diss your post.

[poe]

21. As an agnostic/Pagan/pantheist and not-knower

i tend to feel the spirit world needs us as much as we need them. it's a give and take and if we forget the sacredness of all beings and forsake our rituals we will lose it all. here's to the reenchantment of our everyday life and a small gift to all the sprits that keep us alive. our dry mechanistic culture has reduced life to an economic/political affair. let us crash through the windows of progress and efficiency and break the spell of this (post)-modern world of metal and glass.

[superconnected]

17. he was supposed to have created the world with sophia

the holy spirit. She supposedly designed the world and has been since the beginning. She's had many temples dedicated to her and some bible scholars believe jesus refers to her.

So he already had a girl.

The virgin mary thing was added in the 6th century. Bible scholars acknowledge that. Very little is known about where Jesus came from. His mother, and birth etc. all all metaphorical. The early scholars use to make up histories for important historical people.

as far as god controlling us by fear, you must be kidding.

Since he doesn't show up much it's the evil men controlling us by fear and using his name. Always, on both sides of the fight.

[Old Mouse]

20. Sophia

[Trajan]

23. While I may, perhaps, concur with some of your conclusions ...

You apparently arent very familiar with Jehovah and his origins ....

Jehovah is a germanic reference to Yahweh .... known by his lettered moniker in Hebrew: YHWH .... the Ineffable one ... The german 'J' is used as a 'Y', and the germanic 'w' is pronounced as 'v', so Yahweh, became Jahweh .. which eventually added a vowel 'o' as in Jahoweh > Jehowah > Jehovah

It should furthermore be noted that there is strong evidence that YHWH, the Ineffable One, did in fact enjoy a consort .... named Asherah ...

YHWH and Asherah, sittin in a tree ..... etc ...

From Ze'ev Herzog's "Deconstructing The Walls of Jericho" ...

From a copy of the BAR posting : http://fontes.lstc.edu/~rklein/Documents/Deconstructing.htm


Deconstructing the walls of Jericho

Following 70 years of intensive excavations in the Land of Israel, archaeologists have found out: The patriarchs' acts are legendary, the Israelites did not sojourn in Egypt or make an exodus, they did not conquer the land. Neither is there any mention of the empire of David and Solomon, nor of the source of belief in the God of Israel. These facts have been known for years, but Israel is a stubborn people and nobody wants to hear about it

By Ze'ev Herzog


This is what archaeologists have learned from their excavations in the Land of Israel: the Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the 12 tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to swallow is the fact that the united monarchy of David and Solomon, which is described by the Bible as a regional power, was at most a small tribal kingdom. And it will come as an unpleasant shock to many that the God of Israel, Jehovah, had a female consort and that the early Israelite religion adopted monotheism only in the waning period of the monarchy and not at Mount Sinai.Most of those who are engaged in scientific work in the interlocking spheres of the Bible, archaeology and the history of the Jewish people - and who once went into the field looking for proof to corroborate the Bible story - now agree that the historic events relating to the stages of the Jewish people's emergence are radically different from what that story tells.

What follows is a short account of the brief history of archaeology, with the emphasis on the crises and the big bang, so to speak, of the past decade. The critical question of this archaeological revolution has not yet trickled down into public consciousness, but it cannot be ignored.

-snip-

Jehovah and his consort: How many gods, exactly, did Israel have? Together with the historical and political aspects, there are also doubts as to the credibility of the information about belief and worship. The question about the date at which monotheism was adopted by the kingdoms of Israel and Judea arose with the discovery of inscriptions in ancient Hebrew that mention a pair of gods: Jehovah and his Asherah. At two sites, Kuntiliet Ajrud in the southwestern part of the Negev hill region, and at Khirbet el-Kom in the Judea piedmont, Hebrew inscriptions have been found that mention "Jehovah and his Asherah," "Jehovah Shomron and his Asherah, "Jehovah Teman and his Asherah." The authors were familiar with a pair of gods, Jehovah and his consort Asherah, and send blessings in the couple's name. These inscriptions, from the 8th century BCE, raise the possibility that monotheism, as a state religion, is actually an innovation of the period of the Kingdom of Judea, following the destruction of the Kingdom of Israel.



So: It appears that YHWH did have a squeeze well into the late kingdom period ... perhaps well into the Exilic era ...

[poe]

27. anything is possible in the land of make believe

"The Thirteenth Tribe" by arthur koestler author of "The Ghost in the Machine"

[Martin Eden]

24. God doesn't show his face, therefore ...

... mortal men take it upon themselves to let God speak through them.

(or at least they claim to be instruments of God)

Dost thou doubtest?

Blasphemer!

[DemBones DemBones]

25. Adolescent mewlings against God -- what

place do they have on a political discussion board?

[poe]

28. The politics of the spirit and inquisitiveness

the politics of practicality are laden with their own frivolities. but thank you for allowing me to hang on to my cavity prone years.

[Dookus]

26. hrmm...

he needs to get laid. That's why he gets all smitey.

[orpupilofnature57]

29. Omnipotent, unless you are why speculate, thats jury falls-wells job.

[Moderator]

30. Locking

Inflammatory

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