Nightline

[Nite Owl]

Could be interesting. Don't usually watch but Wilson and Meehan are on. Also George Allen and Perle. Townhall. About Iraq:

The audience will include members of the military who have recently returned from duty in Iraq, military families, veterans, Iraqi-Americans and a general audience with a wide variety of views on the war.

We hope you'll join us -- and consider your own answer to the question: "Why Stay?"

[Pam-Moby]

1. Thanks-I am watching now...n/t

[frankly_fedup2]

4. Sorry for her loss but she is obviously a freeper.

Umm, ahh, doesn't seem to be answering her question.

So the 55,000+ Americans that were murdered in Vietnam died for nothing? Just like the men dying now.

It's for oil. By the way, where is the oil? Who is taking the oil? Where is the money for the oil?

Allen pisses me off. He is from my state of VA. He use to be our Governor. Idiot.

Congressman Meehan looked pissed. He just got back.

Anyone that criticizes Bush is going to be taken/shouted down.

The election is going to known as the blood bath of 2005. How horrible for all of those involved.

Allen needs someone to stuff a rag in his mouth. He is Bush's biggest brown nose I've ever seen. Bastard.

[radar]

9. And the seeds...

It's for oil.

The Ultimate War Crime: Breaking the Agricultural Cycle
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/KHA501A.html

"As part of sweeping "economic restructuring" implemented by the Bush Administration in Iraq, Iraqi farmers will no longer be permitted to save their seeds, which include seeds the Iraqis themselves have developed over hundreds of years. Instead, they will be forced to buy seeds from US corporations. That is because in recent years, transnational corporations have patented and now own many seed varieties originated or developed by indigenous peoples. In a short time, Iraq will be living under the new American credo:
Pay Monsanto, or starve ."

[frankly_fedup2]

58. Well isn't that odd? They can control this, but as far as the poppy . . .

seeds and farmers in Afghanistan cannot seem to be gotten rid of.

The U.S. and DEA claim it's easier to catch the drug lords as they try to bring it into the Country. Yeah, right. I believed that the first time I heard it.

Admittedly, the Afghanistan people find this a much wealthier crop for them to grow (approximately $200 a year). Now with the Billions of dollars of OUR FRIGGIN MONEY, they cannot pay these farmers, oh say, $500 a year to grow food for the market and their families?

Evil, lying, capitalistic, Republican pigs. May their so-called Christianity save their souls because they do have a lot of praying to do. (sorry, I have no right but it is such a ridiculous situation and no one ever asks the questions).

We have all but forgotten Afghanistan like everyone who has promised to help them has done over the centuries.

[Pam-Moby]

20. Yes I think you are correct.

[luaptifer]

28. What you will NOT see on tonight's ABC Nightline!!!

by NewWay4NewDay


Thu Jan 27th, 2005 at 23:19:41 EDT

I just came from the townhall meeting hosted by Ted Koppel at St. John's Episcopal Church across from the White House in Washington D.C. The topic is IRAQ: Why Stay?

The panel consisted of Joseph Wilson, Sen. George Allen (R), and Rep Marty Meehan (D)

There was some good dialogue, but mostly ended up that time was given primarily to the pro-war agenda. There were a few outbursts that will probably be edited out, and one major outburst from a Rabbi Waskau that you will not see because it was during a commercial break.

I am posting this now, so you are aware, and will watch Nightline, but am going to keep adding to this diary continuously until I can accurately describe the event as I witnessed it.

<snip>

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/27/221941/519

[girl gone mad]

55. Wow. I hope everyone here takes the time to read this diary.

I hold Ted Koppel, along with most of the other media whores, personally responsible for this disasterous war. The comments in this diary are why. Koppel only pretended to present opposing viewpoints in the run up to the war. In reality, the anti-war voices Nightline allowed on air were neutered.

[Sliverofhope]

56. Nightline was censored tonight!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/27/221941/519

Must read.

[frankly_fedup2]

2. Thanks for the heads up nite owl. (nt)

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

3. Holy shit. Powerful stuff tonight.

kick

[2Design]

5. The congresswoman was the best - george allen is hateful and rw

cult and totally against gays or anyone not married living together or buying a home - he is right of the right

George allen looks like a polished person but he is evil

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

6. Reciting party lines... Well rehersed but no thought...

and no real compassion.

[Nite Owl]

7. So is Perle

He looks lile he's already dead. Just coldness.

[AG78]

11. He's a theocrat

But he brings the sweet nectar of liberty! Mmmmmmmmm, mmmmmmmmmm, mmmmmmmmmm. Just picture him sitting there, with a Freedom Plant in his one hand, holding it like he would grapes, and letting that sweet nectar to drip and drop.

Freedom, liberty, and democracy. I'm tired of those words, because nobody seems to define what they mean. If they mean anything at all. My head doesn't work right since I'm a crazy lefty, but with each rotation on Earth's axis, I'm beginning to wonder if those words even exist.

[2Design]

12. rw spin - there idea of spread their brand of their cult -

their cult they call christian but they do not practice christ principles and never have - they are a cult and use words that have a broad meaning to try to get to the emotion

this is like the yellow ribbons on cars
or calling kerry a traitor for protesting a foolish war

the rw have learned to use words to divide

[Tsiyu]

51. I concur

he has Chimpy's evil smirk, smiling while people are discussing life and death situations. I wanted to reach through the TV and smack that smug, demonic-looking asswipe right upside the head. I swear, is every Repuke arrogant and condescending? Every gaddamned one? I feel sorry for anyone in Allen's district. He looks like pure, unadulterated evil to me.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

8. Wilson is making Perle and Wolfie look like hacks.

[Synnical]

10. Watching now

Joe Wilson. Recording it.

I never watch this . . was about to crash.

Good stuff.

[2Design]

13. amazing how the rw guys can not see - they really stick to

the party line

Iraq is an occupied country and they are fighting for their country

we have rounded up bunches of iraqiis and called them insurgents and then let a good number go once the pictures of torture came out

90 percent of those rounded up are normal every day people

they have tortured ordinary folks and only stop once they get names - the names are ordinary people who are again tortured

these people are angry - we continue to kill innocents
what about that car with a man and woman and three kids in it - that they shot with 42 bullets -

all the weddings they have bombed
the men who they did not allow to leave falluha so they could bomb them to death
the ambulances they shot at

yes so the iraqis are mad -

I was thinking tonight of all our bases around the world - we are not occupied by another country - this must truly tick off these people to be occupied - and then like in Japan - our soliders rape locals

but the rw defends and continues to call all people insurgents

[2Design]

14. the reservist said - active duty get to go home while the reservists

are extended and denied leaving - everyone missed that point

she is against being over there indefinitely while active duty come home

I heard on the radio - there are overstaffed in navy and air force - the shortage is army and marines and reservists

this is a problem

[DougieZero]

15. just tuned in

How are the soldiers behaving? Is it split 50/50?

[2Design]

29. two were willing to say what they really think - there was a young

guy who is 21 who lost a leg who said we should come home - the young women reservist was against being kept in when their orders expired while active duty got to leave

she was also against going over for false reasons - the active duty lifers are indoctrinated in the party line of soliders - the reservist are more like ordinary citizens -

[Synnical]

17. And the Regular Dude

said, "some lower ranking" people may think that . .

Did I hear that correctly?

[2Design]

26. yes that was his put down - what he did not hear - is the

reservist were not cycling in and out like the active duty were - the active duty got to leave and go somewhere else - the active duty have benefits and higher pay

[teakee]

31. Yes, that is what the 'Sgt.' said............

[Synnical]

16. Everyone should be watching this

[AG78]

18. What was that?

The 21 year old soldier with kids, but no knees, and who was hooked up to every machine possible to save his life, asked why we're still in Iraq if no WMD were found. Ted Koppel didn't let Perle or Allen answer. Not that they were jumping out of their chairs to do so. Instead, Koppel asked a question of the solider about whether he had any feelings that we should stay in Iraq until the job is done.

And could Allen and Perle be a more appropriate duo?

[2Design]

30. I suspect koppel knew they had no heart to answer the solider with

any kind of compassion - the rich don't go to war - the poor solider had more rights to speak is what koppel said -

[linazelle]

19. About one in 20 Nightline shows is truthful...they are RW shills really

It was just last week that they aired a one-sided story about the possibility of election fraud in Ohio. They never mentioned the 2000 election and smeared Kenney and Lyndon Johnson as being elected fraudulently but overlooked Bush. All Nightline wants is to increase their sweeps week numbers and they know that if they air a progressive story most of us will watch in droves. Stop taking the bait and turn Nightline off period.

[2Design]

33. the fact that any progressive ideas get out in the public is good

I accidently had it on

[Nite Owl]

21. Oh that VN vet

is giving it to Allen and his bogus argument.

[2Design]

35. but allen came back as a rw cult answer

[southlandshari]

22. Bobby Muller ROCKS!

Anyone watching now (11:40 pm CDT)? Go, go, go, go Bobby Muller!!!!

More on Muller for those who don't know his work:

http://www.theglobalist.com/DBWeb/AuthorBiography.aspx?AuthorId=426

Excerpt:

Bobby Muller
President of the Vietnam Veterans of America Foundation

In 1991, Mr. Muller co-founded the International Campaign to Ban Landmines to continue the work begun in Cambodia. The global landmine campaign received the Nobel Peace Prize in 1997.

Raised in a New York City suburb, Bobby Muller's commission with the US Marines began the same day he received his Bachelors in Business Administration from Hofstra University in 1968.

As a Marine Lieutenant, he served as a combat infantry officer in Vietnam. In April of 1969, Muller was leading an assault when a bullet severed his spinal cord and left him paralyzed from the chest down.

During rehabilitation at the Veterans Administration Hospital, Mr. Muller experienced firsthand the problems of neglect, frustration and inadequate care being given to wounded veterans in the United States. He decided to fight for fair and just treatment for all veterans by joining the anti-war movement, enrolling in law school at Hofstra and eventually serving as legal counsel for the Eastern Paralyzed Veterans Association.

Snip (follow link above for full bio)

[mistertrickster]

27. Damn right, that guy rocked. He ought to run for President. He ripped

the Right wingers a new one. He was ready to do it again if Koppel hadn't cut him off.

Anybody got an e-mail for this guy? Couldn't find one at The Globalist.

[southlandshari]

37. Vietnam Veterans of America Foundation website

I'm sure you can send Muller an email via a link somewhere on this site (he is a co-founder of VVAF):

http://vvaf.org/about/

Sorry the globalist link was a little thin - I was trying to get some basic info out quick while Muller was still speaking!

[Synnical]

48. He was Most Impressive

Thanks for the background info . .

[Tsiyu]

52. Hell Yes! Another hero, by God

WE cheered him on. I was SO glad he said they needed to stop comparing Viet Nam and Iraq to WWII.

I gave a synopsis of the show on the other thread if anyone missed it.


Hey, Bobby Muller: :yourock:

[qanda]

23. Whoa! Who is that?

Bobby something or another... He read them the riot act!

[RamboLiberal]

25. I love the way he slapped Koppel that Vietnam and Iraq

are not WWII and that's a dumb argument! Note the applause for the RW shills is not as enthusiastic as for when someone in the audience makes the point this war is a sham.

[morgan2]

24. I just turned it on recently

can someone explain why they're doing this in a church?

[Tsiyu]

53. This was the same church where they held the Pre-War

Town meeting. I think they did it for continuity's sake?

[Nite Owl]

32. Go Jesse n/t

[2Design]

34. I am sorry they are allowing allen to talk so much - he is

preparing for 2008 and so right of the rw cult that it would be an enormous mistake - giving him a platform is really too bad

[Be Brave]

36. Gawd, I hate that smarmy Allen guy.

He is definitely posturing for something.

[2Design]

38. * made allen part of getting out the vote - not sure what his

exact mission was but it was during the campaign - he is one of golden children of the rw cult - he hates gays, loves everything rw - if they thought * was their savior - the 700 club will be behind allen

[TacticalPeek]

39. Could anyone make out what the - heckler? - was yelling out at the end?

Koppel said he had no idea what the person was talking about, or something like that.

[Tsiyu]

41. "What about Gulf War Syndrome? What about Depleted Uranium?"

n/t

[Synnical]

42. Gulf War Syndrome

And Depleted Uranium

[TacticalPeek]

49. Thanks, and thanks BuddyHG.

Bobby maybe?

I agree with the other posters, that Koppel did the moderating the old fashioned way, with some authority. Not an easy job, and very seldom seen these years, but it certainly explicates better, with more light than heat.

[Algorem]

40. Anyone know what heckler at end was saying?

[amerikat]

43. "The Emporer has no clothes"

Just kidding. I have no Idea what he said.

[Algorem]

46. I guess Koppel 's never heard of depleted uranium or gulf war illness,he

said he had no idea what the guy was saying,neither did I,but I wonder if he's done shows about those?

[amerikat]

47. He's done shows on both subjects

I consider Ted to be the best of main stream media.

[TacticalPeek]

50. Here's the yeller, at Daily KOS!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3018309

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/27/221941/519

[Algorem]

54. He's a REAL American hero,like the people in Project Pink.

[annabanana]

59. Thanks for the link!............n/t

[Synnical]

44. Way better than "Crossfire"

Actually had some discussion, rather than yelling and annoying talking over each other. Koeppel moderated well, I thought. We need more of this, and on prime time.

Off to bed, now.

[2Design]

45. yes we need a moderator that stops the rw from talking over

everyone and from hogging the stage - they manage to get themselves more stage time by being controversial - and during their monologues they push their agenda

[VeniceBeat]

57. Somebody Smack Dan Senor Upside the Head

Journalistically, of course!

Ex-Coalition Spokesman, now with Fox News.

I just had to laugh out loud with disgust.

Slimy little fucker.

[Synnical]

60. Anyway I can kick this?