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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:21 PM Original message |
America is led by a CONVICT! |
George W Bush is a convicted felon.
He is the first con to take the office of President of the United States. The crook got nabbed for drunk driving. And Bush lied about it for years -- as a grown man and an officer of the Texas Air National Guard -- he LIED. The magic of belief doesn't change reality: America is led by a DRUNK DRIVER! And it shows… You know what happens when drunks drive -- the innocent pay. Here's how the other half lives and dies, thanks to the drunk: Hey, Bush! She had ZERO to do with 9-11. You, Bush, OTOH, HAD A LOT TO DO WITH 9-11! |
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mr_hat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
1. DUI is a felony? |
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Nitrogenica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. That document is genuine. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 12:06 AM Response to Reply #3 |
17. Once a crook, always a crook. |
At least that's what Bush's Justice Department says about those they've classed as untermenschen in prison.
In regards to crooks and sinners like Bush, however, they're typically given the chance to "Be Born Again." Along with dropping the sins, the lucky born are able to drop public mention of arrest records. I understand Bush had at least two more. One for stealing a wreath at Christmas time. BTW: That's a hell of a gif ya got going there, jhuth! Excellent work! |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. In Maine there's both -- felony and misdemeanor. |
You bring up a good point. Maybe Bush got convicted of the lesser OUI. On the other hand, the cop that stopped him probably felt some heat from the bosses when it came time to filling out the final report. Who knows what he swore to in front of the judge.
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Not back then |
Drunk driving was still a misdemeanor. You had to hurt somebody to get nailed with a felony.
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jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 02:32 AM Response to Reply #9 |
34. Then I guess that would make Laura Bush a felon. |
Oh wait, that was jus a lil'ol ackseedent.
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 01:04 AM Response to Reply #1 |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 01:14 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Bush is still a crook. War criminal, at least. A traitor, most likely. |
For example, about 9-11:
BUSH KNEW Did you know he was warned about Osama bin Laden months before 9-11? Before the CIA briefed him at Crawford during his first month-long vacation in August 2001, he had been “forced” to sleep offshore during the G-8 summit in Genoa. The reason: bin Laden threatened to crash the party with a jet plane. This shows, at BEST, Bush's incompetence enabled 9-11. That makes him criminally derelict in his duty as commander-in-chief, an impeachable offense. What’s more likely, based on the results of his leadership in the three years since, Bush just decided to let 9-11 happen as a reason for building up the world’s first sole-superpower police state. There is no doubt the former counter-terrorism czar Richard Clarke, National Security Advisor Sandy Berger and President Clinton personally warned the incoming administration of the dangers posed by bin Laden and Al Quaeda. Later that summer, DCI George Tenet's hair was afire with all the warnings he was getting. How come he didn't get the info about the flight schools from CIA? Perhaps he'duh warned the airlines or even the flying public? It's most LIKELY Bush's incompetence was the result of willfull ignorance. That requires no stretch of the imagination. Consider the following evidence, from JUNE-JULY 2001: Plot to assassinate Bush - reports Bin Laden: Believed to have a network of guerrillas July 9, 2001 Posted: 9:23 AM EDT (1323 GMT) MOSCOW, Russia -- Osama bin Laden has threatened to assassinate U.S. President George W. Bush at a G8 meeting in Italy, the head of Russia's Federal Bodyguard Service has said, according to reports. The Associated Press said Yevgeny Murov was quoted by Itar-Tass news agency as saying: "Bin Laden is threatening the American president, but we know what international terrorism is today and therefore all the bodyguard units concerned are preparing for this. "We view the threats as totally serious, but hope that with joint efforts we can solve all the problems." The Group of Eight summit is meeting between July 20-22 in Genoa, Italy. Leaders from Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia and the United States are expected to attend the summit. Murov -- Russian President Vladimir Putin's chief bodyguard -- did not elaborate on the threats. He said agents from Russia's Federal Bodyguard Service have travelled to Genoa to coordinate with their counterparts from the other nations taking part in the summit to investigate the threats. CONTINUED... http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/06/20/russia.binladen/ Missiles to protect summit leaders Special report: globalisation Rory Carroll in Rome Wednesday July 11, 2001 The Guardian Italy has installed a missile defence system at Genoa's airport to deter airborne attacks during next week's G8 summit, fuelling hysteria about looming violence. A land-based battery of rockets with a range of nine miles and an altitude of 5,000 feet has been positioned in the latest security measure against perceived threats from terrorists and protesters. Unidentified planes, helicopters and balloons risk being shot down should they drift too close to the heads of state from the group of seven leading industrialised nations and Russia. Colonel Alberto Battaglini, of the ministry of defence, said the precaution was not exces sive. "The measure, which was planned by the previous government, may seem open to criticism, but in reality it is merely to act as a deterrent against any aerial incursion during the summit. "They are little missiles ... which only have a deterrent function to discourage any aerial-led attack and they do not present any danger to the residents of the city," he said. CONTINUED... http://www.guardian.co.uk/globalisation/story/0,7369,519925,00.html Then there's John Ashcan who stopped flying commercial in July 2001. Ashcroft Flying High WASHINGTON, July 26, 2001 CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart reports on Aschcroft's travel arrangements. "There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines." -- FBI spokesman (CBS) Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart. In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term. "There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it. A senior official at the CIA said he was unaware of specific threats against any Cabinet member, and Ashcroft himself, in a speech in California, seemed unsure of the nature of the threat. CONTINUED... http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml And then what did BUSH DO POST-9-11? HE BROKE INTERNATIONAL LAW TO INVADE A NATION WITH WHICH WE WERE AT PEACE TO STEAL THE OIL. SO DON'T PICK ON THE FUCKING TROOPS. PLACE THE BLAME WHERE IT BELONGS -- THE CRIMINAL CABAL RUNNING AND RUINING THE COUNTRY AND PLANET. BTW: A hearty welcome to DU, dopamine45! Hope to have fun times as we work toward seeing a US marshall frog march Bush to jail, where crooks belong. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 01:24 AM Response to Reply #23 |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 01:39 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. That we know about. |
There's the cocaine arrest story, possibly the reason for the "Community Service" time he served with Project P.U.L.L. in the mid-70s:
THE BOOK THE BUSHES BANNED GEORGE W. BUSH…KEEPING IT IN THE FAMILY: ANOTHER COCAINE SNORTING LIAR IN THE WHITE HOUSE by David Icke I have been reading a copy of Fortunate Son, the book which exposes the truth about George W. Bush, the Governor of Texas, and the front runner to become President of the United States in the year 2000. This son of the drug-taking, drug-running, paedophile, serial killer, and former President, George Bush (see The Biggest Secret), used his family and Illuminati connections to have the book withdrawn by the publisher to prevent his hypocrisy and lies being exposed to his potential voters. Some 90,000 copies were withdrawn from sale by the publisher, Thomas Dunne Books, because it highlights information that George W. Bush was forced to perform community service in 1972 after being caught in possession of a controlled substance, cocaine. The author, J. H. Hatfield, has been vilified for writing the book and yet, as a researcher myself, I find his attention to detail and his acknowledgement of the nature and reliability of sources to be first class. There are 52 pages of small-type source notes. This guy did his homework. Hatfield details how sources told him that Bush was ordered to do community service with an operation called Project P.U.L.L., a program for poor African-American youths in Houston, Texas. This is not disputed by Bush and, indeed, he has spoken about it publicly as used his "caring" gesture to support his presidential campaign, ironically. CONTINUED... http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles/fortsonprint.html BTW: A hearty welcome to DU, hackerpschrr! How do you pronounce your handle? |
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anarchy1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 03:49 PM Response to Reply #26 |
44. Just another unfortunate, depressed individual, suiciding himself. |
Go to google and look up Hatfield in June or July of 2001. This was not a man that wanted to commit suicide.
Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill Dubya, his former business partner? By James Hatfield Editor's note: In light of last week's horrific events and the Bush administration's reaction to them, we are reprising the following from the last column Jim Hatfield wrote for Online Journal prior to his tragic death on July 18: July 3, 2001—There may be fireworks in Genoa, Italy, this month, too. A plot by Saudi master terrorist, Osama bin Laden, to assassinate Dubya during the July 20 economic summit of world leaders, was uncovered after dozens of suspected Islamic militants linked to bin Laden's international terror network were arrested in Frankfurt, Germany, and Milan, Italy, in April. German intelligence services have stated that bin Laden is covertly financing neo-Nazi skinhead groups throughout Europe to launch another terrorist attack at a high-profile American target—his first since the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen last October. According to counter-terrorism experts quoted in Germany's largest newspaper, the attack on Dubya might be a James Bond-like aerial strike in the form of remote-controlled airplanes packed with plastic explosives. Why would Osama bi Laden want to kill, Dubya, his former business partner? I knew that bombshell would whip your heads around. So here's the straight scoop, folks. In June 1977, Dubya formed his own drilling company, Arbusto Energy ("arbusto" means "bush" in Spanish), in Midland, Texas. Like his father before him, Dubya founded his oil business with the financial backing of investors, including James R. Bath, a Houston businessman whom Dubya apparently first met when they were in the same Texas Air National Guard unit. (Interestingly, both Dubya and Bath were both suspended from flying in August and September 1972, respectively, for "failure to accomplish annual medical examination.") Tax documents and other financial records show that Bath, an aircraft broker with controversial ties to Saudi Arabia sheiks, had invested $50,000 in Arbusto, granting him a 5 percent interest in two limited partnerships controlled by Dubya. Time magazine described Bath in 1991 as "a deal broker whose alleged associations run from the CIA to a major shareholder and director of the Bank of Credit & Commerce." BCCI, as it was more commonly known, closed its doors in July 1991 amid charges of multibillion-dollar fraud and global news reports that the financial institution had been heavily involved in drug money laundering, arms brokering, covert intelligence work, bribery of government officials and—here's the kicker—aid to terrorists. Bath was never directly implicated in the BCCI scandal, but according to The Outlaw Bank, an award-winning 1993 book by Time correspondents, Jonathan Beaty and S.C. Gwynne, Bath originally "made his fortune by investing money for According to court documents, Bath swore that in 1977 he represented four prominent and wealthy Saudi Arabians as a trustee and used his name on their investments in the United States. In return, he received a 5 percent interest in their deals. Time reporters Beaty and Gwynne suggest in their book that the $50,000 Bath invested in Dubya's Arbusto Energy drilling company may have belonged to Bath's Saudi clients since the Houston businessman "had no substantial money of his own at the time." The FBI and the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network later investigated Bath after allegations were made by one of his American business partners that the Saudis were using Bath and their giant piggy bank to influence U.S. policy. (Dubya's father had been appointed by President Ford to head the CIA from 1976–77.) So, folks, the Middle Eastern oil money used to underwrite the first business venture of our future president of the United States, may have been derived at least in part from the family fortune of Saudi terrorist Osama bin Laden, who is now being accused of masterminding his assassination. From the what-it's-worth-department: I think Dubya's handlers have fed disinformation through the CIA and other backdoor channels to German and Italian intelligence agencies about a possible hit on Dubya by the fugitive terrorist to gain public sympathy and concern for a U.S. president who has taken a nose-dive in the opinion polls. The latest New York Times/CBS News poll showed Dubya's approval rating fell to 53 percent from 57 percent a few weeks ago, its lowest since he took office. Only 50 percent of those polled approved of his handling of the economy, while 47 percent approved of his foreign policy performances. Some 44 percent felt Dubya was not respected by foreign leaders, a mere 39 percent agreed with his policies on the environment, and a whopping 61 percent of Americans believed the new prez was not addressing the issues they care most about. Obviously, the pollsters didn't call Dubya's sugar daddies—the oil and gas companies. Because he damn sure is taking care of their interests. http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/Hatfield-R-091901/hatfield-r-091901.html Mods, please forgive, delete paragraphs if you must. This was not a suicidal person. |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 01:46 AM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Wow! Just 3 posts and already tombstoned. |
heehee!
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alittlelark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 02:03 AM Response to Reply #24 |
32. HAHAHAHAHAHA !!!! are you for real?? |
.... but.... but, he's never been convicted of a FELONY !!
Listen to yourself, and be ashamed. |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 02:44 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Isn't it ironic that all that time when Clinton was president, |
the freepers on cspan would call him a convicted felon even though the man was never arrested in his lifetime? Yet, they voted for and installed a dry drunk that was arrested several times in the white house who chose a vp that's been arrested also.
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meow2u3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 12:51 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. He may not have been CONVICTED of any felonies.... |
...but he has committed numerous felonies for which he hasn't even been arrested, much less convicted.
It's a known fact that criminals who get away with their crimes have deep contempt for criminals who do not. |
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Conservativesux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 02:33 AM Response to Reply #1 |
35. In many cases, yes. |
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Redleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
2. I dislike Bush as much as most here- but that's an arrest record, |
not a conviction. I do believe Bush is a fucking criminal- a war criminal for waging war in Iraq.
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lectrobyte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. and even if convicted, DUI is not a felony. nt |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:34 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. I dislike Bush more than anyone, anywhere. |
Here's what www.thesmokinggun.com has on the crook:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/bushdmv1.html Looks like he lost his license for a year and half. That's more than the penalty for first offense misdemeanors, Seems there are some honest judges in Maine. |
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American liberal (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 12:07 AM Response to Reply #10 |
18. According to a report on NPR |
Gonzales got him out of jury duty while the shrub was TX gov. so the DUI conviction would not have to be disclosed.
It is also on record that the shrub was a coke head. I do not believe he ever got busted for possession, however. And do you remember what a big stink the repukes made about Clinton's statement that he didn't inhale?! Oh, the hypocrisy! |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 01:10 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Bush didn't want to take a TANG physical. Neither did James R Bath. |
Bush and Bath were officers in the Texas Air National Guard together. Both refused to take their flight physicals and were grounded on the same day. Interesting how Bath later became the bin Mahfouz and bin Laden clans' U.S. business agent. That means he helped "reinvest" Saudi petrodollar-related wealth in U.S. companies and investments, like Arbusto Energy and George W. Bush.
Bush & Bin Laden - George W. Bush Had Ties to Billionaire bin Laden Brood The unexplained death of Salem, Osama bin Laden's oldest brother, in 1988, brought to an abrupt end a long and intriguing relationship between President Bush and the head of the bin Laden family fortune. By Roger Miller The world now associates the bin Laden name with Osama bin Laden, the prime suspect be hind the terror atrocities of Sept. 11. As President George W. Bush leads an intense international manhunt for Osama, few Americans realize that Osama's eldest brother, Salem, was one of Bush's first business partners. A photograph from 1971 has surfaced and been printed in English papers showing Osama, age 14, and his brother Salem, age 19, enjoying a summer holiday at the Astoria Hotel in Falun, Sweden. Christina Akerblad, the hotel owner, told the Daily Mail, "They were beautiful boys, so elegantly dressed. Everybody loved them." Osama embraced Islamic fundamentalism and is now the world's most wanted man. "Salem went on to become a business partner of the man who is leading the hunt for his brother," the Daily Mail's Peter Allen said. "In the 1970s, he and George W. Bush were founders of the Arbusto Energy oil company in Mr. Bush's home state of Texas." President Bush and the bin Laden family have been connected through dubious business deals since 1977, when Salem, the head of the bin Laden family business, one of the biggest construction companies in the world, invested in Bush's start-up oil company, Arbusto Energy, Inc. James R. Bath, a friend and neighbor, was used to funnel money from Osama bin Laden's brother, Salem bin Laden, to set up George W. Bush in the oil business, according to The Wall Street Journal and other reputable sources. CONTINUED... http://www.americanfreepress.net/10_07_01/Bush___Bin_Laden_-_George_W__B/bush___bin_laden_-_george_w__b.html |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
16. what is meant by "conviction" |
does this mean found guilty by a jury or what?
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 02:00 AM Response to Reply #16 |
31. The broadest sense indicates guilt of a crime. |
"If life were fair...All our daddies would head the secret police."
But for most whose records include: 1. Drunk Driving. 2. Stealing a Christmas wreath. 3. Tearing down a goal post-melee Careers and work opportunities would be most limited. Besides, three strikes and the guy should be out. Being connected: Priceless. |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 02:26 AM Response to Reply #16 |
33. It means being found, or pleading, guilty |
by a jury or judge.
It means being convicted of - found guilty of - a crime. Yes. |
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Stirk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:25 PM Response to Original message |
4. That's what George should call his memoirs: |
Operating Under the Influence: My Life on the PNAC Leash
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:27 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I think a DWI is a misdomeaner |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. Agree. Here's the PNAC Agenda, laid out by Perle to Khashoggi |
LUNCH WITH THE CHAIRMAN
Why was Richard Perle meeting with Adnan Khashoggi? by SEYMOUR M. HERSH The New Yorker Issue of 2003-03-17 Posted 2003-03-10 At the peak of his deal-making activities, in the nineteen-seventies, the Saudi-born businessman Adnan Khashoggi brokered billions of dollars in arms and aircraft sales for the Saudi royal family, earning hundreds of millions in commissions and fees. Though never convicted of wrongdoing, he was repeatedly involved in disputes with federal prosecutors and with the Securities and Exchange Commission, and in recent years he has been in litigation in Thailand and Los Angeles, among other places, concerning allegations of stock manipulation and fraud. During the Reagan Administration, Khashoggi was one of the middlemen between Oliver North, in the White House, and the mullahs in Iran in what became known as the Iran-Contra scandal. Khashoggi subsequently claimed that he lost ten million dollars that he had put up to obtain embargoed weapons for Iran which were to be bartered (with Presidential approval) for American hostages. The scandals of those times seemed to feed off each other: a congressional investigation revealed that Khashoggi had borrowed much of the money for the weapons from the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (B.C.C.I.), whose collapse, in 1991, defrauded thousands of depositors and led to years of inquiry and litigation. Khashoggi is still brokering. In January of this year, he arranged a private lunch, in France, to bring together Harb Saleh al-Zuhair, a Saudi industrialist whose family fortune includes extensive holdings in construction, electronics, and engineering companies throughout the Middle East, and Richard N. Perle, the chairman of the Defense Policy Board, who is one of the most outspoken and influential American advocates of war with Iraq. The Defense Policy Board is a Defense Department advisory group composed primarily of highly respected former government officials, retired military officers, and academics. Its members, who serve without pay, include former national-security advisers, Secretaries of Defense, and heads of the C.I.A. The board meets several times a year at the Pentagon to review and assess the country’s strategic defense policies. Perle is also a managing partner in a venture-capital company called Trireme Partners L.P., which was registered in November, 2001, in Delaware. Trireme’s main business, according to a two-page letter that one of its representatives sent to Khashoggi last November, is to invest in companies dealing in technology, goods, and services that are of value to homeland security and defense. The letter argued that the fear of terrorism would increase the demand for such products in Europe and in countries like Saudi Arabia and Singapore. The letter mentioned the firm’s government connections prominently: “Three of Trireme’s Management Group members currently advise the U.S. Secretary of Defense by serving on the U.S. Defense Policy Board, and one of Trireme’s principals, Richard Perle, is chairman of that Board.” The two other policy-board members associated with Trireme are Henry Kissinger, the former Secretary of State (who is, in fact, only a member of Trireme’s advisory group and is not involved in its management), and Gerald Hillman, an investor and a close business associate of Perle’s who handles matters in Trireme’s New York office. The letter said that forty-five million dollars had already been raised, including twenty million dollars from Boeing; the purpose, clearly, was to attract more investors, such as Khashoggi and Zuhair. CONTINUED... http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030317fa_fact Trireme Partnerships! That sounds pretty felonious to me. In fact, it's worse. It's treason. |
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XanaDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
6. Hi. |
Those pix are horrific.
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Sorry, XanaDUer. There should be a WARNING: GRAPHIC HORROR |
Truly sorry about the photographs, XanaDUer. It's just that I don't call Bush a monster because identifying him as such means he is not responsible for his actions. He is, allegedly, a man. And as such is capable of knowing right from wrong, good from evil. My intent is to hold him responsible. Perhaps a court of law will be interested in the result of his actions one day.
Here's a song for our times, written in 1968. It's a sizzling jazz number, first recorded at the Montreux Jazz Festival by Les McCann and Eddie Harris. IIt was written by Compared to What Love the lie and lie the love Hangin' on, with a push and shove Possession is the motivation that is hangin' up the (G-------) nation Looks like we always end up in a rut (everybody now!) Tryin' to make it real — compared to what? Slaughterhouse is killin' hogs Twisted children killin' frogs Poor dumb rednecks rollin' logs Tired old ladies kissin' dogs Hate the human, love that stinking mutt (I can't stand it!) Try to make it real — compared to what? The President, he's got his war Folks don't know just what it's for Nobody gives us rhyme or reason Have one doubt, they call it treason We're chicken-feathers, all without one gut (God damn it!) Tryin' to make it real — compared to what? (Sock it to me, now) Church on Sunday, sleep and nod Tryin' to duck the wrath of God Preacher's fillin' us with fright Tryin' to tell us what he thinks is right He really got to be some kind of nut (I can't use it!) Tryin' to make it real — compared to what? Where's that bee and where's that honey? Where's my God and where's my money Unreal values, crass distortion Unwed mothers need abortion Kind of brings to mind ol' young King Tut (He did it now) Tried to make it real — compared to what?! -- by Eugene McDaniels (c) as performed by Les McCann If you don't have it and you like jazz, it's a must-have. The record is called "Swiss Movement." It's got a couple of wonderful pictures. |
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XanaDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. That's ok |
I cannot stand the sugar-coated propaganda we see.
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Kazak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:47 PM Response to Original message |
12. He's driving this country like a drunk...he needs to be pulled over again. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 12:19 AM Response to Reply #12 |
19. I couldn't agree more. The ownership of the media, OTOH... |
... see things differently. They could have opened their collective eyes to the crook and pegged him for what he is: a drunken pyscho. But, the media have to protect their owners -- not just the big corporations, but the super-wealthy turds who own the controlling interests of these corporations. These are "businessmen" at best and Saudi petrodollar-soaked corrupt officials most likely. They've given the little turd from Crawford a pass from Day One.
Here's a nice overview of what has happened to America's free press, the only business so important to the health and well-being of the nation the Founders included it in the Constitution -- the only business named in the nation's charter. Money, Media & the Mess in America By Robert Parry January 28, 2005 Sometime after 2009, when historians pick through the wreckage left behind by George W. Bush’s administration, they will have to come to grips with the role played by the professional conservative media infrastructure. Indeed, it will be hard to comprehend how Bush got two terms as President of the United States, ran up a massive debt, and misled the country into at least one disastrous war – without taking into account the extraordinary influence of the conservative media, from Fox News to Rush Limbaugh, from the Washington Times to the Weekly Standard. Recently, it’s been revealed, too, that the Bush administration paid conservative pundits Armstrong Williams and Maggie Gallagher while they promoted White House policies. Even fellow conservatives have criticized those payments, but the truth is that the ethical line separating conservative “journalism” from government propaganda has long since been wiped away. For years now, there’s been little meaningful distinction between the Republican Party and the conservative media machine. In 1982, for instance, South Korean theocrat Sun Myung Moon established the Washington Times as little more than a propaganda organ for the Reagan-Bush administration. In 1994, radio talk show host Limbaugh was made an honorary member of the new Republican House majority. CONTINUED... http://www.consortiumnews.com/2005/012805.html |
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paineinthearse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-05 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
14. Ted Cohen, American hero. |
Apparently, DU’ers don’t think much of this.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=156x367 has been in the MAINE forum since 1/21 with zero replies. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=109x17754 has been in the MEDIA forum since 1/24 with 5 replies. They link to the story of the reporter, Ted Cohen, who broke the story and was fired as a result. He’s now driving a truck for a living. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 12:37 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Cohen is a good reporter and a real American. |
Can't be more professional than wanting to report the Truth. Figures the guy's bosses wouldn't back him when the push came to shove.
Gee. I remember commenting on another thread in GD. I remember several people made mention of a few other reporters who got in the Bush's way: BFEE "Suicides" Journalists Seems journalists who oppose the BFEE end up in a bad way. Gary Webb "shot himself in the head" twice Friday morning, according to the police and Mike Ruppert. http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/1... What Webb did to hurt the BFEE's feelings is he tied the CIA's Iran-Contra gang to the crack cocaine epidemic in America's major metropolitan areas. To the Bush gang, telling the truth made Webb an enemy. http://www.parascope.com/mx/articles/garywebb/garyWebbS... Here are a few others who actually had the guts to investigate the Bush Family Evil Empire: Daniel “Danny” Casolaro — Researched BCCI and the Inslaw/PROMIS Affair, found that George HW Bush had ties going around the world and back through Iran-Contra, Iraq-gate, the October Surprise, Watergate, Vietnam, the Bay of Pigs and Dallas. A “suicide.” http://www.cjr.org/archives.asp?url=/91/6/octopus.asp Abbie Hoffman — Yippie of the 60s turned into an investigative reporter in the 80s, researched and wrote about “October Surprise” allegations involving George HW Bush, Bill Casey and Robert Gates doing a deal with the Ayatollah Khomeini to delay the release of the hostages in 1980. The pretty good overview appeared in Playboy in 1992. A “suicide.” http://www.democracyunbound.com/playboy1088.html Steve Kangas — Researcher and writer who started “Liberal Resurgent” web site dedicated to naming names like Richard Mellon Scaife and telling the truth about what was happening to America. Wrote the seminal “The Origins of the Overclass” which detailed the role of the CIA in preserving the privileged positions of the nation’s wealthiest individuals and corporations. A “suicide.” http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-overclass.html Jim Hatifield — Researcher and writer who penned “Fortunate Son,” an unauthorized biography of George W Bush that included allegations of cocaine use, planted by Karl Rove, who knew that Hatfield, an ex-con would be discredited. The last thing Hatfield wrote “Why Would Osama Want to Kill His Ex-Business Partner?” that detailed bin Laden threatening to crash a plane loaded with explosives into the G-8 summit in Genoa Italy in July 2001. Bush slept offshore aboard a US warship and the meeting was guarded by SAMs. A “suicide.” http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/Hatfield-R... Mark Lombardi — Artist and researcher who developed “Global Networks” or “Social Network Diagrams” which illustrated and chronicled the relationships between many of our day’s shadiest characters, institutions and treasons. One of his works graphically charted Osama bin Laden, Sheik Salim bin Laden, James R Bath, Texas Gov George W Bush and HARKEN Energy. A “suicide.” http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=2... There are many more examples of brave journalists who’ve investigated the Octopus and turned up “suicided.” SOURCE with ACTIVE LINKS and DISCUSSION: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2819427 BTW: That is an outstanding image of a genuine American Hero. Ted Cohen may have been forced to give up his profession, but not his integrity. Thank you, paineinthearse! |
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President Kerry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 01:35 AM Response to Reply #20 |
25. how about that Salvador option first being tested on our |
own independent journalists before we do this thing in Iraq, huh?
I don't know how true this thing is. What is true is that these guys have been crawling our of their skin to suppress independent journalism. Evil bastards! |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 01:50 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. It's been going on since 22 November 1963. |
From just days after President Kennedy was ambushed, reporters who know too much have ended up dead. To me, that's signs of a conspiracy of the worst kind. That's why I really dislike traitors.
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKhunterB.htm To Bush, like his father, killing thousands of people is no big thing. Consider how many the Death squads in El Salvador and Guatemala, the Contras, and those in Operation CONDOR killed. So, it's easy to see how Bush Sr turned the Pentagon loose on retreating Iraqis during Desert Storm. Like his Poppy, W probably didn't blink when 3,000 Americans died on 9-11 or when he ordered an invasion of a country at peace with the United States. The CIA's Greatest Hits The CIA is also expert at distorting intelligence to justify its own goals, and this "disinformation" leads to dangerous illusions among our policymakers. But covert operations are its life's blood. The litany of illegal, murderous CIA activity is enough to chill the bones of anyone who cares about liberty and justice. As long as the CIA exists, our government can break any law it chooses in the name of national security. Anyone for whom democracy is more than just a word should be working to abolish the CIA. For some ideas on how to do that, send a SASE to Odonian Press at Box 32375, Tucson AZ 85751. By Mark Zepezauer The Gehlen Org Operation Gladio MK-ULTRA Operation CHAOS Crooked Banks Drug Trafficking The Mighty Wurlitzer -- the CIA's propaganda machine CONTINUED LINK CITY... http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA%20Hits/CIA_GreatestHits.html |
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JohnOneillsMemory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 03:54 AM Response to Reply #29 |
37. Hmm. This link worked last week. Not now. Had to copy Google cache. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 12:35 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. HinkcleyandBushlikethis: They probably use "window cleaner" spiders. |
It's not your imagination, JohnOneillsMemory. Information on the Bushes is disappearing.
Perhaps their web gurus have coopted Metacrawler. Their thing would crawl around and scrub away embarrassing revelations. I first noticed missing links and articles when it came to the Reagan-Bush-Hinckley connection: Neil Bush Had Dinner Plans With Hinckley Brother Before Shooting March 31, 1981 By: Staff Associated Press HOUSTON - The family of the man charged with trying to assassinate President Reagan is acquainted with the family of Vice President George Bush and had made large contributions to his political campaign, the Houston Post reported today. The newspaper said in a copyright story, Scott Hinckley, brother of John W. Hinckley Jr., who allegedly shot Reagan, was to have dined tonight in Denver at the home of Neil Bush, one of the vice president's sons. The newspaper said it was unable to reach Scott Hinckley, vice president of his father's Denver-based firm, Vanderbilt Energy Corp., for comment. Neil Bush lives in Denver, where he works for Standard Oil Co. of Indiana. In 1978, Neil served as campaign manager for his brother, George W. Bush, the vice president's oldest son, who made an unsuccessful bid for Congress. Neil lived in Lubbock throughout much of 1978, where John Hinckley lived from 1974 through 1980. On Monday, Neil Bush said he did not know if he had ever met 25-year-old John Hinckley. "I have no idea," he said. "I don't recognize any pictures of him. I just wish I could see a better picture of him. Sharon Bush, Neil's wife, said Scott Hinckley was coming to their house as a date of a girl friend of hers. CONTINUED... http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?fmedia_id=6153&fcategory_desc=The BTW: Great job on the GOOGLE cache. Interesting how George Orwell was right about the day coming when the powers-that-still-be would work to rewrite history. Oh, well. Or, well. All we can do is cut, paste, link and spread around. Hope we can go faster than they can scrub, or it's lights-out. |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 01:43 AM Response to Original message |
27. I don't think he's a felon (although he should be). |
But he is the first pResident to have been arrested a few times. But republicans don't like to talk about that.
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 01:54 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. One of his arrests is for stealing a Christmas wreath. |
Gee. How low is that?
There may be another explanation: Is Bush Nuts? by William Thomas What drives a man to go against the wishes of his countryfolk and the entire world community - including the presidents of Russia, China, France and Germany? How can a professed Christian continue to defy church leaders worldwide - including the Bishops of Britain and the Pope? How does he rationalize breaking the commandments of his God, which clearly prohibit coveting another's property, theft of their oil, and mass murder of defenseless populations? How can he ignore his own generals when they complain, "We're advocating a policy that says we will invade another nation that is not currently attacking us or invading any of our allies." To those who deem it unseemly to count the brick's on one man's load, let us recall that this unelected President is one brick short of killing what the UN fears could be up to a half-million people in Iraq. This massacre could easily see Pakistan's government – and its 30 to 40 nukes – falling to an al Qaeda/Taliban majority. Bush's announced plans to attack North Korea and Iran have already prompted both countries to hit the nuclear gas pedal, virtually assuring a "nuclear event". And his $5 trillion blowout has taken the American economy to a $2 trillion deficit in two short years. As ignored global warming triggers Extreme Weather Events, frightened Nobel price-winning economists warn that GW's proposed $600 billion tax cut is "fiscal madness" - "a very serious economic error" that will collapse the country in exactly the same way the ex-Soviet Empire went bust buying and deploying so many arms in so many places. Ditto Imperial Rome. Are these the acts of a rational person? CONTINUED... http://www.willthomas.net/911/Bush/ |
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anarchy1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
39. Go look for Jackson Thoreau. Just google. |
"W" a felon, oh heavens no!
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 01:31 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Thanks. Heard of him and read his stuff. Do you know Mark Lombardi? |
This guy pegged the Bush Crime Family. Below is "George W Bush, Harken Energy, and Jackson Stephens ca. 1979-90."
Mark Lombardi: Social Networks Mark Lombardi (1951–2000) has been compared to Robert Smithson and Gordon Matta-Clark, in terms of the conceptual power of his work and its widespread influence. His drawings are visual narratives of the way money flows in our post-imperial, trans-national economy: from corporations to political organizations, from individuals to various ad hoc groups, most of them acting outside of national boundaries—and often outside the law. Using graphite and red pencil, and information culled from newspaper accounts, television, and other sources in the public domain, Lombardi developed a new type of history painting that maps the economic underpinnings of our global society. New York Times art critic Michael Kimmelman described these drawings as “delicate spider webs of scandal” that “can be seen as a metaphor for the elusiveness of truth that was Lombardi’s subject.” Lombardi's work attains almost prophetic significance in today's current political and economic climate. “At some point in my development,” he wrote, “I began to reject reductivist approaches in favor of one capable of evoking the complexity, venality, and occasional brutality of the times.” Charting patterns of exchange in the new global networks that have until now evaded visual description, the drawings' dryly lyrical lines are dashed, dotted, or continuous, signifying different kinds of clandestine financial connections. Each work has an almost musical quality, where density of (trans)action is indicated by clusters of lines and marks, visually punctuating the sheets of paper like carefully placed musical notations. SOURCE: http://www.ici-exhibitions.org/Exhibitions/MarkLombardi/MarkLombardi.htm Just as his career was starting to take off, Lombardi became a "suicide." |
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anarchy1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 01:49 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Thanks for posting, I can never remember his name. Awesome to say |
the least. Art at its very best.
Just another strange \ "suicide", courtesy of the BFEE. |
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anarchy1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-05 01:50 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. I worry for Jackson and his family every day. |
n/t
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