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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:31 PM
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Why on earth should we be happy with a sham election in Iraq?
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 05:32 PM by JanMichael
Oh, I get it, it's just like our sham elections.

Bravo! Good job! Yippee! The Iraqis are FREE!

Whatever...
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:36 PM
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1. You say sham, someone else says staged: what are we to believe?
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:38 PM
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3. You say tomato, I say potato.
Let's call the whole thing a wham bam ding-a-ling success!
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:08 PM
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9. A rose by any other name will smell the same?
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 04:09 AM
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32. Shit by any other name will smell the same?
fraid so.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:37 PM
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2. Mission Accomplished Freemon and Moxy
SO BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW!
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 07:07 PM
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4. If soldiers went door to door to get them to register
and then again to check up and make sure they voted, how is that free, since that would seem like intimidation to the Iraqi people. I also read where the soldiers were telling them that the Americans would be leaving if they voted...
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 07:12 PM
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5. Aren't we happy about the election sham here in the US of A?
Get down off your high horse.. 'Murica leads the way for "democracy".

<end sarcasm>





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guajira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 07:29 PM
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7. Think you're free?? Try taking a trip to Cuba!
A peaceful and friendly Caribbean island - 90 miles from Key West. Cuba is the safest place I have ever traveled, including the US.

Aren't we Americans, and don't we have freedom to travel? Don't we have liberty?

I wish a large number (hundreds or thousands) of Americans would all travel to Cuba at the same time, too many for the government to harass. The world would respect us once again!

Hi Mika

:hi:
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HumblePiRSquared Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:14 PM
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11. Unless you are a jailed journalist exposing the truth of the Castro abuse
Then all is not well in camp. Castro and his henchmen are not saints.
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manic expression Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:48 PM
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21. Ironically enough...
if you go to another part of Cuba you will find people who are jailed without even being charged with a crime. They are being incarcerated without any justification or charge against them. Where is this horrible place? A little bit of the US called Guantanamo Bay.

Castro is NOT a saint at all, but try looking at the big picture.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 09:20 AM
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34. Journalists? Ha! Like Armstrong Williams paid by Al Queda
"Journalists" in Cuba on the US government payroll are the equivalent of Al Queda paying "journalists" exposing the truth about America.

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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 07:17 PM
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6. i'm so happy, i could just shit.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 07:33 PM
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8. Because the teevee said so!
And teevee says whatever Stupidhead tells 'em to say. So it must be true.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:12 PM
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:21 PM
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12. It does not matter...
if millions of Amerikans would now want the U.S troops out of Iraq. They will be there in top strength for at least another two years then the numbers will be drawn down as the troops settle in to the 14 U.S. Military bases in Iraq to protect the Democratic Republic of Iraq. Of course the edicts handed down by Bremmer will remain in full force.

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HumblePiRSquared Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:26 PM
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14. What do you mean by the term "Amerikans"
Your spelling must have a meaning within.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 04:05 AM
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31. Well if you have to ask
Odds are........
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wadestock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:22 PM
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13. What makes them a sham is obvious....
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 08:44 PM by wadestock
Everyone knows those provinces that are American protected favor the Shia to vote...and otherwise they are the majority anyway.

It's a complete joke to think anything but a Shia/American inspired victory would be secured.

Are you really serious that you don't know why this is a sham?

The only way that this could have been intelligently orchestrated (if you believe in forced takeovers in the first place) was to advertise loud and clear to the Sunni that they would be voting for a legitimate piece of governance.

You are witnessing one of the most incompetent and dangerous actions of all time....all in the name of liberty and peace....and yes....performed by your beloved country.
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HumblePiRSquared Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:31 PM
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15. "Obvious" and "everyone" is a bold statement
Also, your statement "performed by your beloved country" begs the question of which righteous beloved country from which you belong?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:40 PM
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18. sad proof that corporate propaganda WORKS
nt
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wadestock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:43 PM
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19. Incredibly bold....
considering the average person like you in America has no clue what's happening in Iraq.

Wake up pal....our country has invaded a country for no reason other than to capitalize on the world's second largest oil reserve....and to make sure that no Arab country develops nukes to shoot at Israel.

The majority of the rest of the world gets it....what's stopping you?
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HumblePiRSquared Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 09:55 PM
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25. What's stopping me?
The distaste of the bold and beautiful telling me how to feel and think.

I'd like to think that there is some altruistic goal on our part regardless of how hated our leaders may be.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 02:52 AM
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29. Altruistic goal?
Your comment reflects typical American brainwashing.

Read Smedley Butler's "War Is A Racket."
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 03:30 AM
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30. Killing 40,000 Iraqi children was especially altruistic of us...
...don't you think?
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 10:05 PM
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26. AmeriKa aka 1930's Nazi Germany reinvented. The 4th Reich come alive.
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:38 PM
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17. Helping Iraq...
"...helped Iraq have elections free of the tyranny of Saddam would we still cry sham..." OH ME!

Is that what the US was doing, 'having an election free of the tyranny of Sadaam?'

WOW! That sounds so noble. Helping Iraq have elections...hmmm...I'll give that one some more thought. For some reason that remark raised a RED FLAG.

And all this time, I thought it was just a staged event to promote Bush's propaganda campaign.
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manic expression Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 09:02 PM
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22. Free of the tyranny of Saddam?
Perhaps you could explain to me how US soldiers dragging people out of their homes at night, or incarcerating people for no reason and torturing them is NOT tyranny.

What have we given the Iraqi people? Chaos, as they cannot walk their own streets without fear; death, we have killed 80,000 Iraqi soldiers and 100,000 Iraqi civilians; unemployment, as 60% of Iraqis are unemployed; shortages of food, water, electricity; we have caused the destruction and looting of untold numbers of schools, museums, houses and entire cities; fundamentalism, as women are forced to stay at home or wear the hijab when they do rarely leave, under pain of death or raping (ever heard of the "misery gangs"? I didn't think so). We have NOT freed Iraq, we have thrown them into the most disgusting and horrible situation imaginable.

They must and will free themselves of the tyranny of the US occupation.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 10:18 PM
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 09:15 PM
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23. Ooooh, the Tyranny word!
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HumblePiRSquared Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 10:21 PM
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28. But I was being sincere
Not a smart ass.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:38 PM
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16. an election staged during an occupation cannot be considered legitimate
nt
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:43 PM
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20. Edicts
Amerikans-meaning that Amerika is a Fascist nation.

U.S. Edicts Curb Power Of Iraq's Leadership

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8665-2004Jun26.html
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 09:53 PM
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24. Staged. Lies. Media tricks. Dahr Jamail exposed CNN's complicity
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 09:54 PM by Tinoire
The part about the CNN camera crew is sickening.

Posted in full with Dahr's permission (posted at end). If you would like to donate to this excellent reporter, please go here

"Here comes “The Freedom”"

My friend from Baquba visited me yesterday. He brought the usual giant lunch of home cooked food he always brings when he comes to see me. I’m still eating it, actually. I had it again for dinner tonight. Ah, the typical Iraqi meal.

He owns four large tents, and rents them to people in his city to use at funeral wakes, marriage parties, tribal negotiation meetings and to cover gardens, among other things.

During the Anglo-American invasion of his country back in the spring of 2003, when refugees from Baghdad sought shelter from the falling bombs, many of the families inundated his city. After his house was filled with refugees, he let others use his tents, for free of course.

Refugees from Fallujah are using them now.

At least 35 US soldiers have died in Iraq today. 31 of them died when a Chinook went down near the Jordanian border. At least four others died in clashes in the al-Anbar province. A patrol on the airport road was bombed, destroying at least one military vehicle. The military hasn’t released any casualty figures on that one yet.

“Bring ‘em on,” said George Bush quite some time ago, when the Iraqi resistance had begun to pick up the pace.

Today, during a press conference he spoke about the upcoming elections in Iraq.

“Clearly there are some who are intimidated,” he said, “I urge alls (not a typo) people to vote.”

Let me describe the scene on the ground here in “liberated” Iraq.

With the “elections” just three days away, people are terrified. Families are fleeing Baghdad much as they did prior to the invasion of the country. Seeking refuge from what everyone fears to be a massive onslaught of violence in the capital city, huge lines of cars are stacked up at checkpoints on the outer edges of the city.

Policemen and Iraqi soldiers are trying to convince people to stay in the city and vote.

Nobody is listening to them.

Whereas Baghdad is filled with Fallujah refugees, now villages and smaller cities on the outskirts of Baghdad are filling up with election refugees.


Yet these places aren’t safe either. In Baquba attacks on polling stations are a near daily occurrence. Mortar attacks are common on polling stations even as far south as Basra. A truck bomb struck a Kurdish political party headquarters in a small town near Mosul, killing 15 people, wounding twice that many. A string of car bombs detonated at polling stations in Kirkuk, which was already under an 8pm-5am curfew, killing 10 Iraqis.

Here in Baghdad, although the High Commission for Elections in Iraq has yet to announce their locations, schools which are being converted into polling stations are already being attacked.

Iraqis who live near these schools are terrorized at the prospect.

“They can block the whole city and people cannot move,” says a man speaking to me on condition of anonymity, “The city is dead, the people are dead. For what? For these forced elections!”

He is angry and frustrated because his street is now blocked as he lives near a small yellow middle school that is going to be used as a polling station.

Nearby some US soldiers are occupying a police station, as usual. One of them saw me taking photos and tried to confiscate my camera.

It didn’t matter that I showed him my press badge. After some talking he let me delete the photos and move on, camera in hand.

Sand barriers block the end of a street, the school where the insides are already in disrepair sits just behind them.

At least 90 streets in Baghdad are now closed down by huge sand and/or concrete barriers and razor wire. The number is growing daily.

“Now I’m afraid mortars will hit my home if the polling station is attacked,” he adds. He’ll be moving across town to stay at a relative’s house, which is not near one of the dreaded polling stations.

An owner of a small grocery shop nearby is just as concerned. He had to negotiate with soldiers to have them leave an opening on the end of the barrier so people could access his place of business.

“I’m already living off my food ration, and have little business,” he says while pointing at the deserted street, “Now who wants to come near my shop? All of us are afraid, and all of us are suffering now.”

A tired looking guard standing nearby named Salman chimes in on the conversation. “I would be crazy to vote, it’s so dangerous now,” he says with a cigarette dangling from his hand, “Besides, why vote? Of course Allawi will stay in. The Americans will make it so.”

A contact of mine just returned from spending a week in Fallujah. We shared some of the food brought from my friend in Baquba.

“I’d been in Fallujah for a week and all I’d seen was tough military tactics,” he tells me, “They are arresting people and putting them in these trucks, blindfolded and tied up. Everywhere I looked all I saw was utter devastation.”

He spoke with many families who told him one horror story after another, death after death after death.

“Then today, the military brings in a dozen Humvees and ground troops to basically seal off a small area near a market,” he continues, “In the middle of them is a CNN camera crew filming troops throwing candy to kids and these guys in orange vests start cleaning the streets around them.”

He laughs while holding up his arms and says, “I’d never seen those guys anywhere in the city before. I don’t know where they came from.”

After a pause to take a drink of soda he adds, “I’d never seen any boots on the ground at all, and all of the sudden there are all these marines standing around like everything was ok. It was the first time I’d seen any soldier not in a Humvee or a Bradley. I was really surprised.”

“All of it was 100% staged. Good PR before the election,” he says. Then in a reference to mainstream America he adds, “Fallujah is fine, now go back to sleep.”

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/weblog/archives/dispatches/000186.php#more

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News From Inside Iraq
Weary of the overall failure of the US media to accurately report on the realities of the war in Iraq for the Iraqi people and US soldiers, Dahr Jamail went to Iraq to report on the war himself.

His dispatches were quickly recognized as an important media resource and he is now writing for the Inter Press Service, The NewStandard and many other outlets. His reports have also been published with The Nation, The Sunday Herald and Islam Online, to name just a few. Dahr's dispatches and hard news stories have been translated into Polish, German, Dutch, Spanish, Japanese, Portuguese and Arabic. On the radio, Dahr is a special correspondent for Flashpoints and reports for the BBC, Democracy Now!, and numerous other stations around the globe.

Dahr has spent a total of 8 months in occupied Iraq as one of only a few independent US journalists in the country. Dahr uses the DahrJamailIraq.com website and his popular mailing list to disseminate his dispatches.

Get more information about Dahr in his interview in Newtopia Magazine.

http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/
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Permission granted to post in full:

----Original Message Follows----
From: Dahr Jamail
Reply-To: xxx@dahrjamailiraq.com
To: xxx@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Contact From the Dahr Jamail Iraq Web Site
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:37:37 +0300

Thanks a lot xxx,

Please post whatever of my work you like and keep up the great work.

Best,

Dahr


website@dahrjamailiraq.com wrote:

>The following message was sent to you from a visitor to
>DahrJamailIraq.com. The person entered: xxx@hotmail.com
>as the return email address. If you reply to this message, it will
>be sent to xxx@hotmail.com.
>
>******
>Hello Dahr,
>
>First I need to tell you how AWED I am of the good work you\'re
>doing in keeping us informed of what\'s really going on in Iraq- not
>that we would believe the mainstream media for one minute but your
>information is VERY important to the antiwar movement.
>
>I would like your permission to repost some of your writings at the
>reasonably Leftist web-site www.democraticunderground.com. Most of
>the posters there are passionately antiwar and have been fighting
>this madness for years.
>
>I am trying to fight that creeping propaganda from the
>right-wing. I promise to give you FULL credit with a link taking
>people back to your site (which I\'ve already been extensively
>advertising). The site has over 60,000 registered users (though I\'d
>warrant only about 2000 are active) and many lurkers. Would you
>please allow me to repost a few of your blog entries in their
>entirety? I am determined to fight the sickening propaganda that
>there\'s any sort of an \"election\" in Iraq.
>
>God bless you whether you say yes or no. You are a hero in my eyes.
>
>Sincerely and gratefully,
>
> ((me))

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kendall Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 04:50 AM
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33. That report would have gone over much better Saturday
Now it rings kind of hollow. If indeed the whole city did not flee in fear and instead voted in massive numbers, what does that mean for the rest of the report? How can we trust any of it?

There are just too many sources of information corroborating a large turnout (even in Baghdad) for it to be an illusion. Even the Arab media is agreeing the turnout was large. And certainly there were very few attack on the whole considering the import of the event.
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