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poe Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 10:52 PM
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Open Letter Concerning the Draft at The Weekly Standard-PNACer's-Heads up
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 10:53 PM by poe
Open Letter
A bipartisan group urges the congressional leadership to substantively increase the size of the Army and the Marines.
01/28/2005 12:00:00 AM
www.weeklystandard.com or go to www.kurtnimmo.com

Dear Senator Frist, Senator Reid, Speaker Hastert, and Representative Pelosi:

The United States military is too small for the responsibilities we are asking it to assume. Those responsibilities are real and important. They are not going away. The United States will not and should not become less engaged in the world in the years to come. But our national security, global peace and stability, and the defense and promotion of freedom in the post-9/11 world require a larger military force than we have today. The administration has unfortunately resisted increasing our ground forces to the size needed to meet today's (and tomorrow's) missions and challenges.


So we write to ask you and your colleagues in the legislative branch to take the steps necessary to increase substantially the size of the active duty Army and Marine Corps. While estimates vary about just how large an increase is required, and Congress will make its own determination as to size and structure, it is our judgment that we should aim for an increase in the active duty Army and Marine Corps, together, of at least 25,000 troops each year over the next several years. There is abundant evidence that the demands of the ongoing missions in the greater Middle East, along with our continuing defense and alliance commitments elsewhere in the world, are close to exhausting current U.S. ground forces. For example, just late last month, Lieutenant General James Helmly, chief of the Army Reserve, reported that "overuse" in Iraq and Afghanistan could be
leading to a "broken force." Yet after almost two years in Iraq and almost three years in Afghanistan, it should be evident that our engagement in the greater Middle East is truly, in Condoleezza Rice's term, a "generational commitment." The only way to fulfill the military aspect of this commitment is by increasing the size of the force available to our civilian leadership.
The administration has been reluctant to adapt to this new reality. We understand the dangers of continued federal deficits, and the fiscal difficulty of increasing the number of troops. But the defense of the United States is the first priority of the government. This nation can afford a robust defense posture along with a strong fiscal posture. And we can afford both the necessary number of ground troops and what is needed for transformation of the military.


Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution places the power and the duty to raise and support the military forces of the United States in the hands of the Congress. That is why we, the undersigned, a bipartisan group with diverse policy views, have come together to call upon you to act. You will be serving your country well if you insist on providing the military manpower we need to meet America's obligations, and to help ensure success in carrying out our foreign policy objectives in a dangerous, but also hopeful, world.

Respectfully,
Peter Beinart - Jeffrey Bergner - Daniel Blumenthal - Max Boot - Eliot Cohen

Ivo H. Daalder - Thomas Donnelly - Michele Flournoy - Frank J. Gaffney, Jr.

Reuel Marc Gerecht - Lt. Gen. Buster C. Glosson (USAF, retired) - Bruce P. Jackson

Frederick Kagan - Robert Kagan - Craig Kennedy - Paul Kennedy

Col. Robert Killebrew (USA, retired) - William Kristol - Will Marshall

Clifford May - Gen. Barry R. McCaffrey (USA, retired) - Daniel McKivergan

Joshua Muravchik - Steven J. Nider - Michael O'Hanlon

Mackubin Thomas Owens - Ralph Peters - Danielle Pletka - Stephen P. Rosen

Maj. Gen. Robert H. Scales (USA, retired) - Randy Scheunemann - Gary Schmitt

Walter Slocombe - James B. Steinberg


Max Boot. “Max Boot, a scholar at the Council on Foreign Relations and former editor for The Wall Street Journal, occupies the extremist end of the neoconservative ideological spectrum,” writes Right Web. He is also connected to the Project for the New American Century (PNAC).

Eliot Cohen. Cohen is considered “the most influential neocon in academe.” Right Web notes, “Cohen is famous for his thesis that the war on terror constitutes World War IV, and that the Cold War should really be considered World War III… Cohen has been affiliated with a number of hawkish advocacy groups, including the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq and the Project for the New American Century. He also serves on the Defense Policy Board, the Pentagon’s in-house think tank, which has been heavily criticized for members’ conflicts of interests and for its stilted ideological profile. (Nearly a third of the board members come from the staunchly conservative Hoover Institution.)”

Ivo Daalder. Daalder was a prominent member of Clinton’s National Security Council staff. He is considered a “liberal hawk,” a term that is not considered an oxymoron in Bushzarro world.

Thomas Donnelly. Another PNACer. As Donnelly wrote for the Strausscon “think tank” AEI, “the strategic imperative of patrolling the perimeter of the Pax Americana is transforming the U.S. military, and those few other forces capable and willing of standing alongside, into the cavalry of a global, liberal international order. Like the cavalry of the Old West, their job is one part warrior and one part policeman—both of which are entirely within the tradition of the American military.” Considering who is president, the cowboy metaphor is apropos.

Frank Gaffney. A Richard “Prince of Darkness” Perle understudy, Gaffney “is one of the key heavy-lifters of the neoconservative-hawk policy institute world,” as Right Web puts it.

Reuel Marc Gerecht. Gerecht, a former CIA agent and recruiter, was a “vocal proponent of War upon Iraq, Iran and Syria well before 911,” according to Disinfopedia. “If President Bush follows his own logic and compels his administration to follow him against Iraq and Iran, then he will sow the seeds for a new, safer, more liberal order in the Middle East,” Gerecht said in the AEI 2004 Annual Report. In other words, an “order” ruled by Israel and the United States.
Gary Schmitt. Schmitt is the executive director of PNAC, the Strausscon “think tank” responsible for Bush’s Iraq invasion. Enough said.

Robert Kagan. Kagan is one of the top dog Strausscons, co-founder of PNAC, and buddy of William Kristol. In the preface to Present Dangers: Crisis and Opportunity in America’s Foreign and Defense Policy, edited with Kristol, Kagan quotes Elliott Abrams, another rabid Strausscon, who “describes the faulty logic that has driven American policy toward the Middle East for more than a decade, warning that the security of Israel, Turkey, and American friends in the Arab world may be jeopardized unless the United States shifts its focus toward strengthening friends and consolidating American influence in the region,” possibly, as the above letter indicates, with conscripted bullet-stoppers.

William Kristol. Kristol edits the Rupert Murdoch financed Weekly Standard, essentially the Strausscon house organ, and is also a co-founder of PNAC. In 2002, Media Bypass reported, “In what has been called ‘punditgate,’ conservative journalists Bill Kristol and Erwin Stelzer of The Weekly Standard … have been exposed for accepting Enron largesse. … Kristol, chief of staff to former Vice President Dan Quayle, took $100,000 without disclosing the payments at the time. … Kristol, the editor of The Weekly Standard who postures as an independent journalist, got the money for serving on an Enron advisory board…” In other words, in addition to plotting and facilitating the murder of 100,000 or more Iraqis, Kristol also works for criminal organizations and does not bother to report the income. If your local grocer did this, he would be thrown in the hoosegow.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 11:00 PM
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1. Is Robert Kagan
any relation to CNN's Daryn Kagan (the one who is dating Rush)?

It's freaking me out the connections these vampires have to the MSM. God! I'll never trust them ever again.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 11:09 PM
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2. Peter Beinart, NeoLiberal - editor of the "The New Republic" magazine
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 11:29 PM by Tinoire
Oh Peter... we see your true colors shining through... Another empire-building Rhodes scholar in Cecile Rhode's finest tradition. Guess the entire world is just another Rhodesia waiting to be colonialized.

Someone put this little punk in combat boots!




Peter Beinart has been Editor of The New Republic since November 1999.
He graduated from Yale University in 1993, winning both Rhodes and Marshall (declined) scholarships for graduate study at Oxford University.
After graduating from University College, Oxford in the summer of 1995 with a masters of philosophy degree in international relations, Beinart returned to The New Republic as managing editor. He became senior editor in June 1997 and Editor two years later. He writes The New Republic's weekly TRB column, which also runs in The New York Post.

http://www.leadingauthorities.com/20647/Peter_Beinart.htm

Peter Beinart is a former chair of the Liberal Party, and is currently the editor of the New Republic. He'll be speaking about either public opinion's role in presidential decision making or why political parties should move to the center

http://www.yale.edu/libs/The%20Lib%20Schtick11.html
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poe Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 11:31 PM
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3. Cecil Rhodes hooooo man-Heart of Darkness
"But Peter looked like such a nice boy. I remember him as just this quiet, studious lad who mostly kept to himself and never bothered anyone. He would always stay after class and ask the most interesting questions, for a boy his age": The saccharin intonations of an old grade school teacher wondering how it all went so wrong when it seemed so right.
"These are hair-trigger times with well manicured barbarians holding their fingers on the buttons."

-Phillip Berrigan R.I.P.


I believe the PM box is now open.








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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 12:29 AM
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9. Cecil Rhodes. Master Race. Empire. Free Trade Have you read his testament
Edited on Mon Jan-31-05 12:30 AM by Tinoire
about why he left his fortune, the wealth of colonialized Rhodesia, to that scholarship and what the design was? Pusher of the master race and lebensraum. Note the emphasis he placed in his will on acquiring the press.

==
Ah yes old Cecil Rhodes and his master race that needed to create a One World government under Anglo rule... and pushing Free Trade at that. This rings such a close, familiar bell.

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Cecil Rhodes’ “Confession of Faith” of 1877


Rhodes originally wrote this on June 2, 1877, in Oxford. Later, that year in Kimberley, he made some additions and changes. What follows is that amended statement. The spelling and grammar errors were in the original.

It often strikes a man to inquire what is the chief good in life; to one the thought comes that it is a happy marriage, to another great wealth, and as each seizes on his idea, for that he more or less works for the rest of his existence. To myself thinking over the same question the wish came to render myself useful to my country. I then asked myself how could I and after reviewing the various methods I have felt that at the present day we are actually limiting our children and perhaps bringing into the world half the human beings we might owing to the lack of country for them to inhabit that if we had retained America there would at this moment be millions more of English living. I contend that we are the finest race in the world and that the more of the world we inhabit the better it is for the human race. Just fancy those parts that are at present inhabited by the most despicable specimens of human beings what an alteration there would be if they were brought under Anglo-Saxon influence, look again at the extra employment a new country added to our dominions gives. I contend that every acre added to our territory means in the future birth to some more of the English race who otherwise would not be brought into existence. Added to this the absorption of the greater portion of the world under our rule simply means the end of all wars, at this moment had we not lost America I believe we could have stopped the Russian-Turkish war by merely refusing money and supplies. Having these ideas what scheme could we think of to forward this object. I look into history and I read the story of the Jesuits I see what they were able to do in a bad cause and I might say under bad leaders.

At the present day I become a member of the Masonic order I see the wealth and power they possess the influence they hold and I think over their ceremonies and I wonder that a large body of men can devote themselves to what at times appear the most ridiculous and absurd rites without an object and without an end.

The idea gleaming and dancing before ones eyes like a will-of-the-wisp at last frames itself into a plan. Why should we not form a secret society with but one object the furtherance of the British Empire and the bringing of the whole uncivilised world under British rule for the recovery of the United States for the making the Anglo-Saxon race but one Empire. What a dream, but yet it is probable, it is possible. I once heard it argued by a fellow in my own college, I am sorry to own it by an Englishman, that it was good thing for us that we have lost the United States. There are some subjects on which there can be no arguments, and to an Englishman this is one of them, but even from an American’s point of view just picture what they have lost, look at their government, are not the frauds that yearly come before the public view a disgrace to any country and especially their’s which is the finest in the world. Would they have occurred had they remained under English rule great as they have become how infinitely greater they would have been with the softening and elevating influences of English rule, think of those countless 000’s of Englishmen that during the last 100 years would have crossed the Atlantic and settled and populated the United States. Would they have not made without any prejudice a finer country of it than the low class Irish and German emigrants? All this we have lost and that country loses owing to whom? Owing to two or three ignorant pig-headed statesmen of the last century, at their door lies the blame. Do you ever feel mad? do you ever feel murderous. I think I do with those men. I bring facts to prove my assertion. Does an English father when his sons wish to emigrate ever think of suggesting emigration to a country under another flag, never—it would seem a disgrace to suggest such a thing I think that we all think that poverty is better under our own flag than wealth under a foreign one.

Put your mind into another train of thought. Fancy Australia discovered and colonised under the French flag, what would it mean merely several millions of English unborn that at present exist we learn from the past and to form our future. We learn from having lost to cling to what we possess. We know the size of the world we know the total extent. Africa is still lying ready for us it is our duty to take it. It is our duty to seize every opportunity of acquiring more territory and we should keep this one idea steadily before our eyes that more territory simply means more of the Anglo-Saxon race more of the best the most human, most honourable race the world possesses.

To forward such a scheme what a splendid help a secret society would be a society not openly acknowledged but who would work in secret for such an object.

I contend that there are at the present moment numbers of the ablest men in the world who would devote their whole lives to it. I often think what a loss to the English nation in some respects the abolition of the Rotten Borough System has been. What thought strikes a man entering the house of commons, the assembly that rule the whole world? I think it is the mediocrity of the men but what is the cause. It is simply—an assembly of wealth of men whose lives have been spent in the accumulation of money and whose time has been too much engaged to be able to spare any for the study of past history. And yet in hands of such men rest our destinies. Do men like the great Pitt, and Burke and Sheridan not now to exist. I contend they do. There are men now living with I know no other term the (Greek term) of Aristotle but there are not ways for enabling them to serve their Country. They live and die unused unemployed. What has the main cause of the success of the Romish Church? The fact that every enthusiast, call it if you like every madman finds employment in it. Let us form the same kind of society a Church for the extension of the British Empire. A society which should have members in every part of the British Empire working with one object and one idea we should have its members placed at our universities and our schools and should watch the English youth passing through their hands just one perhaps in every thousand would have the mind and feelings for such an object, he should be tried in every way, he should be tested whether he is endurant, possessed of eloquence, disregardful of the petty details of life, and if found to be such, then elected and bound by oath to serve for the rest of his life in his County. He should then be supported if without means by the Society and sent to that part of the Empire where it was felt he was needed.

Take another case, let us fancy a man who finds himself his own master with ample means of attaining his majority whether he puts the question directly to himself or not, still like the old story of virtue and vice in the Memorabilia a fight goes on in him as to what he should do. Take if he plunges into dissipation there is nothing too reckless he does not attempt but after a time his life palls on him, he mentally says this is not good enough, he changes his life, he reforms, he travels, he thinks now I have found the chief good in life, the novelty wears off, and he tires, to change again, he goes into the far interior after the wild game he thinks at last I’ve found that in life of which I cannot tire, again he is disappointed. He returns he thinks is there nothing I can do in life? Here I am with means, with a good house, with everything that is to be envied and yet I am not happy I am tired of life he possesses within him a portion of the of Aristotle but he knows it not, to such a man the Society should go, should test, and should finally show him the greatness of the scheme and list him as a member.

Take one more case of the younger son with high thoughts, high aspirations, endowed by nature with all the faculties to make a great man, and with the sole wish in life to serve his Country but he lacks two things the means and the opportunity, ever troubled by a sort of inward deity urging him on to high and noble deeds, he is compelled to pass his time in some occupation which furnishes him with mere existence, he lives unhappily and dies miserably. Such men as these the Society should search out and use for the furtherance of their object.

(In every Colonial legislature the Society should attempt to have its members prepared at all times to vote or speak and advocate the closer union of England and the colonies, to crush all disloyalty and every movement for the severance of our Empire. The Society should inspire and even own portions of the press for the press rules the mind of the people. The Society should always be searching for members who might by their position in the world by their energies or character forward the object but the ballot and test for admittance should be severe)

Once make it common and it fails. Take a man of great wealth who is bereft of his children perhaps having his mind soured by some bitter disappointment who shuts himself up separate from his neighbours and makes up his mind to a miserable existence. To such men as these the society should go gradually disclose the greatness of their scheme and entreat him to throw in his life and property with them for this object. I think that there are thousands now existing who would eagerly grasp at the opportunity. Such are the heads of my scheme.

For fear that death might cut me off before the time for attempting its development I leave all my worldly goods in trust to S. G. Shippard and the Secretary for the Colonies at the time of my death to try to form such a Society with such an object.


http://husky1.stmarys.ca/~wmills/rhodes_confession.html

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I also desire to encourage and foster an appreciation of the advantages which I implicitly believe will result from the union of the English-speaking peoples throughout the world and to encourage in the students from the United States of North America who will benefit from the American Scholarships to be established for the reason above given at the University of Oxford under this my Will an attachment to the country from which they have sprung but without I hope withdrawing them or their sympathies from the land of their adoption or birth.

CECIL J. RHODES, The Last Will and Testament of Cecil John Rhodes, ed. W. T. Stead, pp. 24–29 (1902). The will was dated July 1, 1899.

http://www.bartleby.com/73/499.html

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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 12:36 AM
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11. Rats no. Your inbox is still disabled :( n/t
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poe Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 12:39 AM
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12. i'll try again
pressed the 'yes' buttons for PM but evidently no go.
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poe Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 12:47 AM
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13. Had to do edit preferences should be set up now
thanks for the c.rhodes post-printed 2 pages from it. this stuff doesn't go away yet many think of deep seated racism as a white hooded affair. many also think of it as a thing of the past-some quaint relic. keep gettin' the word out.


i'll keep a heads up for something in the PM box. Will i be alerted to the message?
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 12:53 AM
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14. Great! Go to "Lobby" now
you should see a blinking red "You have mail" message (but without that annoying AOL voice ;) )

That would be from me :)
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 11:36 PM
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5. isn't 6 years after college awfully YOUNG to become editor
of a major journal??????
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 12:31 AM
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10. See post 9. The part about the press.
And yes it is.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 11:32 PM
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4. Peter Beinart = TNR and Will Marshall = DLC
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 11:35 PM by Eloriel
And people wonder why I and others are so rabidly anti-DLC. Let me say it again: with Dems like these, we don't NEED enemies, our own ARE the enemy. Most of that group are pure PNAC. :puke:

What other Repugs in Dems clothing in that list? Does Steinberg ring some bell???

And maybe this was the plan all along: ruin the military to the point that EVERYONE begs for something to save it, when suddenly the draft starts to sound like a GOOD idea (and just in time for Iran).
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 11:46 PM
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6. Also Bayh (D?)
while he very commendably voted against Rice - he did so under the pretext that the "war" was not fought well - that there weren't enough troops, etc. (He did NOT mention her misleading the American people...).
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poe Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 11:48 PM
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7. Rangel to reintroduce [H.R. 163]
He feels everyone should share the burden of the war. Better he should introduce legislation to indict and impeach the war criminals. I know the theory behind his proposal but it is flawed in many aspects.Ivy Leaguers and Senator's sons will not be going to Iran er Iraq er Venezuela well bother i mean to any of those uncivilized outposts.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 11:51 PM
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8. Oh boy. Steinberg. Clinton's National Security Advisor / RAND
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 11:53 PM by Tinoire
I'd forgotten about him since it was under Clinton and I wasn't paying as close attention as I should have been. Fell asleep at the wheel because a Democrat was President. Never again.

He's been with the Brookings Institute for a while and signed several PNAC letters http://www.brookings.edu/scholars/jsteinberg.htm



Biography of James B. Steinberg

----------------------------------------------------------------------

James B. Steinberg was appointed Deputy National Security Advisor to President Clinton on December 23, 1996. During the Clinton Administration he has previously served as Chief of Staff of the U.S. State Department (November and December 1996) and Director of the State Department's Policy Planning Staff. He was appointed to that position from March 1994 to October 1996. From 1993 to 1994 he was Deputy Assistant Secretary, Department of State.

Prior to joining the State Department, Mr. Steinberg had worked as a Senior Analyst at RAND in Santa Monica, California (1989-1993); Senior Deputy Issues Director for foreign policy and national defense in Governor Michael Dukakis' bid for President; and as a Senior Fellow - U.S. Strategic Policy at the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) in London (1985-1987). He also served as Senator Edward Kennedy's principal aide for the Senate Armed Services Committee (1983-1985); as Minority Counsel, U.S. Senate Labor and Human Resources Committee (1981-1983); Special Assistant to the U.S. Assistant Attorney General (Civil Division) (1979-1980); Law Clerk to Judge David L. Bazelon, U.S. Court of Appeals; and Special Assistant to the Assistant Secretary for Planning and Evaluation, U.S. Department of Health, Education and Welfare.


http://clinton2.nara.gov/WH/EOP/NSC/html/steinbergbio.html
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 01:42 AM
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15. Kick
Edited on Mon Jan-31-05 01:43 AM by Swamp Rat
Anybody have good pics of Kagan, Schmitt, Cohen, Gaffney and Kristol?



edit: Just about anything will do. :D
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poe Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 02:02 AM
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16. swamp rat strikes again
is it a trade secret? how? my dog, how does he do it?
good pics of those well manicured barbarians is beyond possible. vampires only show up with some special green goo?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 03:14 AM
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21. Yes, they are very well-groomed.
Lizards are very proud of the hair they cultivate for vanity's sake. Many humans gasped in horror when they saw Wolfie lick his comb - lizard saliva is very viscous - in order to set his hairdo... Yes, lizards are very vain creatures, and they want it ALL for themselves!

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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 03:30 AM
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22. LMAO! Swamp Rat, you're killing me! n/t
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 03:53 AM
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24. OK, one more then I gotta sleep.
Maybe you've already seen this one.

:D

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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 03:54 AM
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25. Thanks. Now I'm going to have nightmares
;) Bonne nuit...
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 02:27 AM
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17. Robert Kagan
Edited on Mon Jan-31-05 02:29 AM by Tinoire




July 2003
The United States Is, and Should Be, an Empire

America is not just the most powerful nation on earth but, arguably, the most powerful nation in history. To protect the global trade routes of democratic capitalism and its own security interests, the United States can intervene anytime, anyplace. Although America’s domain is more seaborne, airborne, and space-based than territorial, some are beginning to refer to this Pax Americana as the American empire. Is the United States an empire? Should we call it that? On July 17, 2003, the New Atlantic Initiative organized a debate on this topic between two renowned authors-Niall Ferguson and Robert Kagan.

http://www.aei.org/events/filter.,eventID.428/summary.asp
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 03:05 AM
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20. Merci!
:hug: ;)
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 03:31 AM
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23. Je t'assure que tu me tues!
:hug:

Can't wait to see the artwork ;)
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 02:36 AM
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18. Gary Schmitt & William Kristol
Gary Schmitt



William Kristol

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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 02:50 AM
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19. A draft of some kind is on the way. Count on it.
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phantomvotes Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 04:28 AM
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26. GOOD MORNING VIETZION!
Read this:

http://www.dougwallace.com/WALLACE%20VS%20BUSH%20%20CHENEY%20&%20JOHN%20DOES.pdf

THEN- if you want read the photo copied signed docs- GO here: http://www.dougwallace.com/


Original web site since 1999. Changes have been made recently due to knowledge of the truth and atention.
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