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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:12 AM
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The Guardian: PNAC! LIHOP! (Holy Crap!)
Edited on Tue Sep-09-03 08:53 AM by FlashHarry

Mods, apparently this has been posted elsewhere over the past few days, but the threads may have disappeared. I leave it to your judgment as to whether or not to let this stand.


Story Here.


<snip>
We now know that a blueprint for the creation of a global Pax Americana was drawn up for Dick Cheney (now vice-president), Donald Rumsfeld (defence secretary), Paul Wolfowitz (Rumsfeld's deputy), Jeb Bush (George Bush's younger brother) and Lewis Libby (Cheney's chief of staff). The document, entitled Rebuilding America's Defences, was written in September 2000 by the neoconservative think tank, Project for the New American Century (PNAC).

The plan shows Bush's cabinet intended to take military control of the Gulf region whether or not Saddam Hussein was in power. It says "while the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein."

The PNAC blueprint supports an earlier document attributed to Wolfowitz and Libby which said the US must "discourage advanced industrial nations from challenging our leadership or even aspiring to a larger regional or global role". It refers to key allies such as the UK as "the most effective and efficient means of exercising American global leadership". It describes peacekeeping missions as "demanding American political leadership rather than that of the UN". It says "even should Saddam pass from the scene", US bases in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait will remain permanently... as "Iran may well prove as large a threat to US interests as Iraq has". It spotlights China for "regime change", saying "it is time to increase the presence of American forces in SE Asia".

The document also calls for the creation of "US space forces" to dominate space, and the total control of cyberspace to prevent "enemies" using the internet against the US. It also hints that the US may consider developing biological weapons "that can target specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool".

Finally - written a year before 9/11 - it pinpoints North Korea, Syria and Iran as dangerous regimes, and says their existence justifies the creation of a "worldwide command and control system". This is a blueprint for US world domination. But before it is dismissed as an agenda for rightwing fantasists, it is clear it provides a much better explanation of what actually happened before, during and after 9/11 than the global war on terrorism thesis. This can be seen in several ways.

First, it is clear the US authorities did little or nothing to pre-empt the events of 9/11. It is known that at least 11 countries provided advance warning to the US of the 9/11 attacks. Two senior Mossad experts were sent to Washington in August 2001 to alert the CIA and FBI to a cell of 200 terrorists said to be preparing a big operation (Daily Telegraph, September 16 2001). The list they provided included the names of four of the 9/11 hijackers, none of whom was arrested.

It had been known as early as 1996 that there were plans to hit Washington targets with aeroplanes. Then in 1999 a US national intelligence council report noted that "al-Qaida suicide bombers could crash-land an aircraft packed with high explosives into the Pentagon, the headquarters of the CIA, or the White House".
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:16 AM
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1. Great post
Now when will this be the headline on every newspaper in America?
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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:20 AM
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2. Dunno. Are monkeys preparing to fly out of your arse?
I'm no conspiracy theorist, but I do know that BushCo is responsible, in some way, for 9/11. Whether they were simply negligent (which is what I hope is the case), or they were actually willfully negligent (which I don't want to believe), somebody high up needs to pay the piper.
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:47 AM
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11. LITI
Let It Happen Through Incompetence.

I don't think that even this administration would deliberatly let something like 9/11 happen. I can't see that the PNACers could be so coldly calculating and have such long term vision to allow 9/11 to happen and also be so short sighted and bumbling to botch both Afghanistan and Iraq when they finaly had theur chance to put their plans into action. IF they had been plotting this for so long surely they would have thought through what happened in the months following the military actions?

No, von Rumsfled and Wolfowitz and of course AWOL are bumbling incompetents with a fragile hold in reality. Clearly they are covering up something about 9/11 but all eveidence leads me to think that they are covering up that they were asleep at the wheel before 9/11 and were filled with fear and confusion (and on Chimpy's part utter cowardice) on the day itself.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 10:05 AM
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18. Agreed (mostly)
They were (and still are) a bunch of arrogant bastards who were convinced they knew how things "really worked" and everybody else were wishy-washy incompetant fools -- especially anyone in the Clinton Administration.

They "knew" that counterterrorism was a back-burner issue that if anything the Clinton people were making worse by giving it too much attention (and thus "prestige"), so during the transition their attitude was basically "yeah, yeah, whatever, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out, loser" (with the partial exception of Powell, who apparently did ask some questions).

Of course, as amoral opportunists, when they were proved wrong they weren't humbled, they seized the opportunity to do what they REALLY wanted with both hands.

My main tinfoil-point about 9/11 is the complete failure of the system for scrambling fighters to track errant aircraft, especially after it became apparent it was a terrorist attack.
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pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 11:35 AM
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27. and we're asking for $87 billion?
If Meacher is correct and the "war" on terror is a bogus war why are we allowing Bush to extort $87 billion more above the $70 billion congress has already approved?
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:54 AM
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14. They Knew It Or They Blew It.
Those are the only choices.
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sventvkg Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:23 AM
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3. yea!!!! We'll NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER see it in our press
Our Country is NO LONGER of the people for the people...It's for the Elite in countrol and their agenda and we are all surfs under their control.....Vote out 90% of our "leaders" and take back our country!!!!
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:24 AM
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4. This is heavy duty stuff
I'm going to email it to everyone I know.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:25 AM
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5. Um, it's not "today's" Guardian -- this piece was published 3 days ago.
Edited on Tue Sep-09-03 08:47 AM by scarletwoman
There's been probably at least a couple a dozen threads on this article since it was published on Sept. 6 -- in LBN, GD and the Editorials forum.

However, no harm done since it's a pretty amazing piece, and no doubt there are other DUers who missed the first flurry of posts about it over the weekend.

Here's a sampling of some of the already existing threads:

Meacher sparks fury over claims on September 11 and Iraq war

Blair scorns Iraq claim by Meacher

This war on terrorism is bogus (Guardian)

This war on terrorism is bogus (MUST READ)

Guardian UK - Responses to Meacher's Article fingering Bush

OK, team: Let's email Krugman, & beg him to mention Meacher's article

British official charges US “stood down” on 9/11

Blair's former Minister Accuses Bush of Treason by 9-11 LIHOP

Here's the Meacher story on Yahoo, give it a Kick

sw
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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:25 AM
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6. Whoops. Sorry. It was in today's Salon.
Edited on Tue Sep-09-03 08:28 AM by FlashHarry
And their dateline said September 9--although the piece was originally published on Saturday the 6th.

I'll edit it. Thanks.

Still, it's a pretty stinging piece...
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:50 AM
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13. I was busy editing my post when you replied -- I've added links!
In case anyone is interested, I edited and added a bunch of links to other threads on this topic.

sw
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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:27 AM
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7. There was a GD thread yesterday
That encouraged DUers to email Krugman, begging him to use Meacher's piece in a future column.
Yeah, its a dupe... but a good one.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:31 AM
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8. Why is this only coming out now?
It's been known for a long time.
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terryg11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:38 AM
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9. this has been out for three days and no US paper picks it up?
why the hell not? Because it's an old story? It would be if they had reported it properly when it was more "timely".
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:41 AM
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10. PNAC and BUSH are equally EVIL! and MIHOP!!!!!>>>BOTTOMLINE!!!!!!
Edited on Tue Sep-09-03 08:46 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
heard Buchanan on IMUS this morn saying that bush* was hoodwinked by the neocons ...they (PNACers) exploited 911 to advance theri aganda for Israel by making bush invade Iraq.....BULLSHIT...BUSH IS JUST AS EVIL AND KNEW EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS DOING!!! i'm sick of people trying to deny that an american president couldn't possibly concieve these evil things ion his own.:puke:
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 08:48 AM
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12. Buchanan discussed it on IMUS this morning...sort of
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:07 AM
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15. Love this euphemism...
Edited on Tue Sep-09-03 09:10 AM by Wednesdays
It also hints that the US may consider developing biological weapons "that can target specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool".


Specific genotypes, hmm? In other words, we want something that will kill dem dark-skinned people.

Edit: spelling.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:10 AM
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16. What's even scarier is
the use of the term "political Tool" to refer to selective killing.
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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 09:49 AM
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17. Maybe "The Eugenics Wars" have begun...
...I always thought that was Star Trek sci fi stuff. Guess not.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 10:09 AM
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19. The conceptual framework for all this firmed up during the 1990's
as technology advanced so did the ideology of militarism RW style.

Shock and Awe/1996
http://www.dodccrp.org/shockIndex.html

Revolution in Military Affairs/RMA/1994
http://www.datafilter.com/mc/rmaWarCollege.html

Revolution in Political and Military Affairs/RPMA/1996
http://www.guerrillacampaign.com/coup.htm

Warfare in The 21st Century/various dates back to 1982
http://carlisle-www.army.mil/library/bibs/warfar03.htm
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 10:14 AM
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20. Wayne Madsen Article: SARS
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/050303Madsen/050303madsen.html
GO WAYNE!!!

"A politically useful tool..."
These people are STARK RAVING MAD...
Make no mistake about it.
They make Hitler look like a boyscout.

BHN
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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 10:44 AM
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21. Kick
:kick:
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 11:10 AM
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23. India's and Enron....and now Israel/India....hmmm
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A report from the commission on America's national interests in July 2000 noted that the most promising new source of world supplies was the Caspian region, and this would relieve US dependence on Saudi Arabia. To diversify supply routes from the Caspian, one pipeline would run westward via Azerbaijan and Georgia to the Turkish port of Ceyhan. Another would extend eastwards through Afghanistan and Pakistan and terminate near the Indian border. This would rescue Enron's beleaguered power plant at Dabhol on India's west coast, in which Enron had sunk $3bn investment and whose economic survival was dependent on access to cheap gas.
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 11:00 AM
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22. Target specific genotypes?
Is this somewhere on the PNAC website? I've never seen that reference before. Since when did genocide become an acceptable "political tool"?
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 11:31 AM
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25. maybe on PNAC agenda..probably is..read this little ditty
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0908-05.htm

Weapons of Mass Destruction in Our Midst
America Can Be Its Own Worst Enemy

by Scott Ritter

In February, Secretary of State Colin Powell displayed for the U.N. Security Council detailed drawings of truck- and train-mounted mobile biological weapons laboratories alleged to be in the possession of Iraq. The basis for this analysis was an Iraqi defector whose credibility was certified not by the quality or accuracy of the provided data, but rather the political environment of post-Sept. 11, which automatically upgraded the status of any intelligence information, no matter how sketchy, that sustained the charges that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction.

The discovery by U.S. forces in Iraq of two mobile "biological weapons laboratories" was touted by President Bush as clear evidence that Iraq possessed illegal weapons capabilities. However, it now is clear that these so- called labs were nothing more than hydrogen generation units based upon British technology acquired by Iraq in the 1980s, used to fill weather balloons in support of conventional artillery operations, and have absolutely no application for the production of biological agents.

While Iraq has not been shown to possess the alleged mobile biological labs (or any other weapon of mass destruction, for that matter), fear within the U. S. national security community over the potential existence of such labs in Iraq led the United States to order mobile biological laboratories to be constructed in America, ostensibly for training elite U.S. special operations forces on how to disable the Iraqi labs once discovered.

It now appears that the only place in the world where labs similar to those described by Powell actually exist is here, in the United States. Worse, according to the New York Times, the scientist responsible for the design and construction of the U.S. mobile biological lab is under suspicion by the FBI of using this technology to produce the dry powder anthrax used in the October 2001 letter attack that killed seven Americans. This same scientist was allegedly behind similar "defensive" research that identified anthrax- impregnated letters as an ideal platform for delivering the deadly biological agent.

So, when it comes to the only major biological attack conducted against the United States, the available information points to the likelihood that the attack originated in the United States, using technology and techniques developed as part of a defensive biological weapons program that was a product of bad intelligence about Iraq's biological weapons program.

The Bush administration is getting ready to compound this problem by expanding similar "defensive" biological weapons research programs. For example, the Department of Energy is fast-tracking the construction at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory of a Biosafety Level-3 facility to conduct defensive biological research that would entail, according to the draft environmental assessment submitted in support of the project, the production of ". . . small amounts of biological material (enzymes, DNA, ribonucleic acid , etc.) using infectious agents and genetically modified agents . . . which may cause serious or potentially lethal or debilitating effects on humans, plants and animal hosts."

The Lawrence Livermore Lab is but one of several bio-defense projects that have sprung up in response to the requirements of both the Department of Homeland Security and Department of Defense to protect Americans from biological threats, real or imagined, that have emerged in the national psyche since Sept. 11.

more....

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QuidditchFan Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 11:20 AM
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24. So is one conclusion to be drawn from this that...
The future of the world is in large part being determined by goddamn oil executives?

I quit.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 11:33 AM
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26. Well yes, as a matter of fact.
Understand that Big Oil has been controlling things (and sponsoring wars) for nearly a century now.

Read this (not that it will make you feel better, but at least you'll be well informed):

The New U.S -British Oil Imperialism
http://www.hermes-press.com/impintro1.htm
(graphics heavy -- long load time on dial-up, but a VERY interesting read!)

<snip>

To overcome the problem of his oil holdings being broken apart by the U.S. government in 1911, John Rockefeller set out to control the world's energy reserves. World War I was the strategy of the world oil cartel (Standard, Shell, British Petroleum) to take over the colonies of France, Holland, Spain and Portugal. The engines of war now ran on petroleum-based products, so ownership of oil could now determine who won or lost a war--therefore who would rule the world. Oil, instead of gold, became the token of power.

By 1919, the Oil Empire, not based on countries or nations, but on
private corporations, now ruled the world.


(much, MUCH more!)

sw
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